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post Feb 13 2014, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 13 2014, 06:03 PM)
DD is mechanically simpler. Yes it saves manufacturers cost, but mechanically simpler also means longer lasting as you don't have to worry about belts snapping or loss of energy. As long as the manufacturers have their engineering worked out. DD will definitely outlast belt driven systems. Plus, they are less noisy. From an engineering standpoint. DD mechanisms has been in use in many demanding applications over the years: HDDs, trains etc. If/When Electric Vehicles become the norm, you'll likely see more vehicles with DD as it is the most efficient mechanism to transfer energy to the wheel.
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Sure or not? Old school type got 3 parts, so always the weakest part will fail first, which is the belt.
While DD just only all-in-1.
Subject both of them on close to full load and see which 1 fail first.

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post Feb 13 2014, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 13 2014, 08:17 PM)
Put it this way... probability for a system to fail is the product of the components.
If as you say, belt driven is a 3 component system, then you have 3 potential points of failure. Mind you, these are not independent redundant systems, but 3 interlinked ones. So you have 3 chances to fail.

In a DD there's only 1. (this is oversimplifying, but I hope you get the idea of what I am talking about)

Put it in another way, we would be playing a game of Russian roulette where one person pulls the trigger 3 times vs  person who pulls it once.

As an engineering concept DDs have their own engineering problems to solve, but all being equal, there's less chance to fail because of the mechanical simplicity.
It's a general rule that the higher the mechanical complexity, the more chance for failure.
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Sorry, your concept are wrong totally. In heavy industry equipment, just take power plant for example, their generator is driven by steam turbine(Tuanku Jaafar power plant at PD).
And it is using 3 parts also, generator, turbine and coupling.
Or take another more simple example, a pump, again, it is divided to 3 main parts, a motor, coupling and pump.
If follow your logic, why the engineers never design the pump and generator under 1 single package for simplicity sake?
Just before you can't answer and say I off topic, for washing machine, it is the same. For margin wise, changing a new set will be way better than doing repair work. DD when the tube failed, we have to change the whole set, unlike the split type, as every equipment are split, so the tube won't fail but the belt or motor will fail.
Do you see old school WM being send back to service center? How about DD type?
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post Feb 13 2014, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 13 2014, 09:27 PM)
I wouldn't classify a consumer product like washing machine as high-availability requirement heavy equipment , where replacement of a consumable part is far far cheaper than the cost of removing and repairing and where the service life is like 30-50 years. You can't simply throw out a steam turbine, but replacing a motor on consumer product a far simpler matter. The economics are simply very different.
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Economics are different? Yeah, end users like us are easier to be cheated. This is what you are trying to say?
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post Feb 27 2014, 04:40 PM

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Spin speed are not an issue, but i won't take higher speed type. Remember, a washing machine can serve you 8-10 years. Higher speed may result to higher vibration, fail faster.
If space limited for drying, use Top detergent, it is good even don't have sunshine.
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post Feb 27 2014, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Feb 27 2014, 04:46 PM)
Seriously my electrolux has 500rpm, 700rpm and 900rpm.
The 500rpm already very good enough.

If want futher dry for ur clothes we should use dryer or just hang them outside under the sun.
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Spin another round is what I do during raining seasons.
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post Mar 3 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Mar 3 2014, 01:08 PM)
ooo..thanks prolly gonna have to get d service guys to look into it then...
toop detergent doesnt seem to work for my home...
wads ur recommended spin speed?
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Slowest I will choose.
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post Mar 3 2014, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Mar 3 2014, 05:06 PM)
If dwelling is wooden floor board and washing machine is made earlier than 2010 I agree. Nowadays there's vibration dampening designed which minimises this. In the US, UK, Japan and wherever else that wooden floor are prevalent, the shaking and vibrating is all the more pronounced. That can be solved with anti-shake blocks made of rubber or some other dampening material.

In Malaysia, the floors are concrete. Using anti-slip tiles will minimise this issue.
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Well, rubber will still get harden over time.
So, proper maintenance will be important on this case.
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post Mar 9 2014, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Mar 9 2014, 10:22 PM)
Guys im stuck between both Panasonic NAF100-G3 Panasonic and the Samsung WA10F5S3QRY/FQ Samsung with both being 10kgs capacity and with delicate function.

Just as i was complimenting myself on how good i am for not breaking my budget, the word econavi changed my life.  icon_question.gif

INVERTER

Now i just got myself a fridge and inverter. And turns out washing machines also comes with inverter. With the panasonic model NAF100-S3 with the econavi function. Exactly the same one as i what i had in mind but with inverter.

So my question, how significant will having an inverter for washing machine be for me in terms of savings and how much will the price difference be since the guy at harvey norman paradigm mall couldnt seem to help much..
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Under normal situation, I'll choose the WM with simple function.
If you want to save money, don't use WM, hand wash will be better option for you.
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post Mar 9 2014, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Mar 9 2014, 10:58 PM)
What confuses me is whether the inverter in washing machines are just a gimmick since even in older WM we manually choose the water level to suit the washing capacity.  hmm.gif

Unfortunately, Malas person like me need WM...later hand wash tangan not smooth wife complain  tongue.gif
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Just check the actual power consumption and compare from there. Normal 10KG WM under full load will consume about 1-1.5 unit. But now is hot season, the spinning time can be reduced to minimum. So for me, I don't really bother on inverter or not.
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post Mar 14 2014, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(purplecrystal2 @ Mar 13 2014, 10:04 PM)
Hmm, their price is quite closed to other brands like Panasonic, Hitachi, LG...just that I find their design nicer. Err, shouldn't a good washing machine last more than 10 yrs?
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Highest record I tested was 13 years on a Panasonic top loader.
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post Mar 19 2014, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(edwardy2k @ Mar 19 2014, 12:08 PM)
Dear all sifus/dealers,

I live with my parent + sister + kids and we will be moving to a bigger home very soon. Currently I'm thinking to get a new FL WM. All in there are 4 babies and 5 adults in the house.
We wash quite a lot of napkins, clothes and etc on a daily basis especially for the kids.

Hope could get some valuable advice/input for the following:
a) Does a 8kg WM suitable to cater the laundry for 4 babies + 5 adults? Was thinking of getting a 9kg/10kg version. (currently using a 7kg WM but most of the times, we have to take out some clothes as WM oredy fully loaded)

b) Should I get the Samsung/LG FL WM since they are the only one with 'Child Lock' function? (Assuming Pana/Electrolux FL WM doesn't have the Child Lock function)

c) Hope to get some feedback for the best price regarding the following FL WM:
c1) LG WD-PD8010WM
c2) Samsung WF806U4SAWQ / WF906U4SAGD
c3) Electrolux EWF14012
c4) Pana NA-140VG3/VX3
Which one is the best?

Looking forward to receiving your favourable advice soon.
Many thanks in advance.

Cheers....
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Top load will be better for your applications. 10KG should be enough for you.
Napkins or baby stuffs shall be washed separately as you may need to use mild detergent.
Front load are more suitable for small family.
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post Mar 21 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Mar 21 2014, 09:57 AM)
I am using electrolux time machine 7KG front load now.
I want to ask is that possible if i buy a 7KG dryer and put on top of it? will it able to sustain the weight??
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A dryer in a tropical country flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif
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post Mar 21 2014, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 21 2014, 11:31 AM)
It getting common at here. And it is a must for a laundry shop to have a dryer in a tropical country.

Even I have using dryer for over 5yrs.
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Getting common on flats I understand, but for landed properties, I doubt so.
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post Mar 21 2014, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Mar 21 2014, 04:09 PM)
I am buying it for landed. haze is the issue.
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Haze? I buy Top and it solved all my problems.
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post Mar 21 2014, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Mar 21 2014, 04:15 PM)
That's a joke, you hang ur clothes outside with haze so serious.
then ur clothes still smell good?
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Is obvious you don't know how good Top are. Did I say I hang them outside? Show me.
Anyway, applying heat on clothes during wet are a good idea, to send them to rubbish bin.

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post Mar 21 2014, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Mar 21 2014, 05:32 PM)
I am using Top too, seriously hanging clothes inside the house is not so recommended.
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When the situation are bad, is something needs to be done. Hanging inside is last resort.

QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 21 2014, 05:58 PM)
I m staying land properties. And I believe the person who ask is also land properties. Some relative land properties asking recommend my WM/dryer model too.

You do not understand because,

1) you not stay in city/ town. The busy of this ppl.
2) you are older generation. With dismiss something new.
3) Do not understand your wife situation. And helping her to lighten her work.
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Is up to how we want in our life. For me, I don't want to have rm10000 income but need to waste half of the time on traffic jams.
1. I stay in a small town, which having better air quality than those in big cities.
2. Old or not, is not labeled by you. Using fryer will resulting to paying more TNB bill. Think about environment, how much carbon are produced with 1KW of power generated. Don't keep on saying "I'm going green" but in actual fact using high power consumption equipment.
3. Groceries, laundries are done by me, not my wife.
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post Mar 25 2014, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 25 2014, 08:44 AM)
I don't understand why home minister like to wash their undergarments in toilet. Same to my wife. Have many time pursuit to just dump into the WM. I even brought a net purse so her undergarment not easily spoil. Still prefer hand wash.  rclxub.gif

I have partially convert 1 of the toilet for her laundry. Since that toilet not much using as toilet. Future will be convert fully to laundry room. For overhead hang, you can look for other than ikea. There are many others function better than ikea.

This 1 brought from parkson which I use to hang wet cloth in toilet. Slim and strong enough for max 30kg. Can even put any thing ontop as an accessory inside wardrobe.
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Dare to say I don't know about women's situation but you don't know the reason behind. What a shame doh.gif
Next time I hope you don't simply jump in to a conclusion and pretend to know everything and simply put some stupid label on me. Or should I say you merely want to insult me just to show you are better than me. It only shows how stupid you are when you face problems doh.gif
Don't know about women's underwear, go to yahoo and type bra care.
http://www.ehow.com/how_4443004_care-bra.html
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post Mar 25 2014, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(monkey9926 @ Mar 25 2014, 04:59 PM)
they say women underwear mix with men's clothes will bring bad luck ler. because women got 'period' ma.

it's the old teaching my mother and mother's mother and mother's mother's mother.
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Not really, as the bra has wire inside to keep the bra in shape.
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post Mar 30 2014, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Mar 30 2014, 10:54 PM)
Wonder if anyone aware if there is someone selling cassette filter for Toshiba Washing Machine Triple Air (10kg)
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You can buy at electric appliance shops nearby(they may need to order) or Toshiba service centers. I think it cost about rm28-35 as I changed it before few years back.
Or can use damaged pantyhose to replace the filter element.
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post Mar 30 2014, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Mar 30 2014, 11:05 PM)
Glad to hear that....I think I will dropby Toshiba service centers then.
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Near to your house?
BTW, some filter care tips, after few washes, clean the filter, it will last longer. But then it is a wear and tear item, so it will still fail over time.

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