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ozak
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Oct 8 2014, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 8 2014, 08:12 AM) Used to think like that, yet in the end the SA tell me buy a normal sized one, so it's cheaper, yet run it more often. Used to run WM every two days, now run everyday. Still save on water usage tho  It is not just water usage. The most expensive is electric. Everyday run cost more. Bigger capacity reduce frequency wash. And you can wash comforter and bigger item. This also help on ROI.
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silver88
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Oct 8 2014, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 7 2014, 09:58 AM) You won't regret a Hitachi Big Drum front loader. Clothes washing wise, it fills the tub with water first to rinse then the it fills water into the soap dispenser. The wash comes out softer and dryer (lesser residual moisture). The added bonus is tub clean program. The spin even at 67dB is not even a muffled air plane whine. It's more like low pitch 'mmmm' kind of sound that's not noticeable unless you're within 6ft in front. One of my favourite use is when coming back from overseas and then doing 3 loads in 45 mins using 15min quick wash and then drying everything up. All done within 1 hour. If you use hot wash 60-90deg yes it will consume more energy for water heating. Most of my washes are at 40 degrees. But if cold wash then it avoids that but at the cost of a longer wash cycle. The inverter motor is quite up to task. Thanks for ur info bro
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halcyon27
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Oct 8 2014, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 8 2014, 09:15 AM) Certain things we can control but certain things we can't. Like controlling what a family wearing is not possible but buying a "worker" is possible. I won't let a worker control what I like to do. Agree on principle. It has to suit to one household and not the other way round. However the imbalanced spin issue is now a thing of the past with newer FL anti vibration and load balancing tech: LG calls it TrueBalance Anti Vibration SystemHitachi calls it 4 or 5 ply Load BalancerSamsung calls it Vibration Reduction Technology (VRT)Panasonic is more of a load balance sensor and will avoid "destructive" types out of balance conditions. Some users may experience washer not spinning issues or spin at lower speeds. Bathmats are suspects. This post has been edited by halcyon27: Oct 8 2014, 02:16 PM
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 8 2014, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 8 2014, 02:09 PM) Agree on principle. It has to suit to one household and not the other way round. However the imbalanced spin issue is now a thing of the past with newer FL anti vibration and load balancing tech: LG calls it TrueBalance Anti Vibration SystemHitachi calls it 4 or 5 ply Load BalancerSamsung calls it Vibration Reduction Technology (VRT)Panasonic is more of a load balance sensor and will avoid "destructive" types out of balance. Some users may experience washer not spinning issues or spin at lower speeds. Bathmats are suspects. Yesterday spent some extra time on looking at how a FL spin, with 1KG load, 3KG load. It is dropping all the time at 10° from top, low load it is still ok. But when on higher load, it is dropping to the bottom laundry. The load all the time at the bottom, which is a stress to the motor, this can explain why a top loader can last long even washing on max load all the time comparing to a front loader. Noise level also changed from low load to high load.
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halcyon27
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Oct 8 2014, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 8 2014, 02:16 PM) Yesterday spent some extra time on looking at how a FL spin, with 1KG load, 3KG load. It is dropping all the time at 10° from top, low load it is still ok. But when on higher load, it is dropping to the bottom laundry. The load all the time at the bottom, which is a stress to the motor, this can explain why a top loader can last long even washing on max load all the time comparing to a front loader. Noise level also changed from low load to high load. That to me is a thing of the past with what I mentioned. On old front load washers yes the stress is there. Even in newer front load washer, the load will still imbalance but the destructive effect is negated by the load balancing tech built into it.
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 8 2014, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 8 2014, 02:20 PM) That to me is a thing of the past with what I mentioned. On old front load washers yes the stress is there. Even in newer front load washer, the load will still imbalance but the destructive effect is negated by the load balancing tech built into it. In some sense yes. But then those counter measures can help in the beginning but not after few years. Most of the time they are using rubber. The only way is still make it stick to the tube for equal load. When talk about equal load, my top loader already lost this, so when washing bedsheet it tends to stick on 1 side causing it to rinse and rinse only and can't spin. Again, this only happen to me after 8 years. rm1000-1100 used for 8 years consider very good already. I just need to spend another rm200-300 to change some parts and I can move on.
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SUSkimsim
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Oct 8 2014, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 8 2014, 02:16 PM) Yesterday spent some extra time on looking at how a FL spin, with 1KG load, 3KG load. It is dropping all the time at 10° from top, low load it is still ok. But when on higher load, it is dropping to the bottom laundry. The load all the time at the bottom, which is a stress to the motor, this can explain why a top loader can last long even washing on max load all the time comparing to a front loader. Noise level also changed from low load to high load. Which model do you had now?
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halcyon27
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Oct 8 2014, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 8 2014, 02:25 PM) In some sense yes. But then those counter measures can help in the beginning but not after few years. Most of the time they are using rubber. The only way is still make it stick to the tube for equal load. When talk about equal load, my top loader already lost this, so when washing bedsheet it tends to stick on 1 side causing it to rinse and rinse only and can't spin. Again, this only happen to me after 8 years. rm1000-1100 used for 8 years consider very good already. I just need to spend another rm200-300 to change some parts and I can move on. Well, it's hard to configure any washing machine to spin counter to what the law of physics has decreed in terms centrifugal and centripetal force. I expect that on either top and front load. I think it would be useful to share how one even out the out of balance loads. For duvet or blankets, there's a technique illustrated in some Jap WM manuals. This post has been edited by halcyon27: Oct 8 2014, 02:37 PM
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 8 2014, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 8 2014, 02:37 PM) Well, it's hard to configure any washing machine to spin counter to what the law of physics has decreed in terms centrifugal and centripetal force. I expect that on either top and front load. I think it would be useful to share how one even out the out of balance loads. For duvet or blankets, there's a technique illustrated in some Jap WM manuals. Well, that's why a top loader can last very long compare to front loader, because TL follow physic's law while front loader going against it. Spinning either vertically or horizontally with load well distributed having lesser stress.
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halcyon27
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Oct 8 2014, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 8 2014, 03:33 PM) Well, that's why a top loader can last very long compare to front loader, because TL follow physic's law while front loader going against it. Spinning either vertically or horizontally with load well distributed having lesser stress. Yes, for the front loader, the suspension will wear out first. Interesting read here.
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 8 2014, 02:30 PM) Which model do you had now? wf-b1061
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 8 2014, 02:30 PM) Which model do you had now? wf-b1061
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SUSkimsim
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Oct 9 2014, 05:39 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 9 2014, 01:00 AM) Look like Samsung is another durable brand.
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JunJun04035
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Oct 9 2014, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 8 2014, 09:46 AM) It is not just water usage. The most expensive is electric. Everyday run cost more. Bigger capacity reduce frequency wash. And you can wash comforter and bigger item. This also help on ROI. Doesnt effect much tho on running the WM, my guess is electric motor do have very great efficiency. (comparing full load two day once vs half load everyday)
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 9 2014, 05:39 AM) Look like Samsung is another durable brand.  Indeed yes, 2 years of usage generating > 90dB of noise and dance every now and then.
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SUSkimsim
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Oct 9 2014, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 9 2014, 09:24 AM) Indeed yes, 2 years of usage generating > 90dB of noise and dance every now and then. Around 6kg and without VRT & inverter motor as well.. Nothing much can be done in perfectly
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 9 2014, 09:28 AM) Around 6kg and without VRT & inverter motor as well.. Nothing much can be done in perfectly Actual load only 5KG, over rated. Kimchis never do some good, except making holes in our wallet with their low quality stuffs.
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halcyon27
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Oct 9 2014, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 9 2014, 09:54 AM) Actual load only 5KG, over rated. Kimchis never do some good, except making holes in our wallet with their low quality stuffs. Is this the one you mentioned used in the villa? If it is I think it's very very well utilized. Based on that post, if I read it correctly, it's doing 8 years use in 1 year due to the amount of washes.
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SUSkimsim
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Oct 9 2014, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 9 2014, 10:56 AM) Is this the one you mentioned used in the villa? If it is I think it's very very well utilized. Based on that post, if I read it correctly, it's doing 8 years use in 1 year due to the amount of washes. But he done everyday on 3 times per day, also 5kg sometime may over load we can't measure each time when for washed. Lower end meant like also entry level of car specs wise very simple and basic only... Nothing much can be aspected. This post has been edited by kimsim: Oct 9 2014, 11:45 AM
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 9 2014, 10:56 AM) Is this the one you mentioned used in the villa? If it is I think it's very very well utilized. Based on that post, if I read it correctly, it's doing 8 years use in 1 year due to the amount of washes. Sorry, 8 years is my Hitachi top loader, this front loader only used for 2 years. Well utilized? Reliable? For kimchi brand, I think it is very good already. But when comparing together with the brand that designed by people which made Pearl Harbor as scrap yard, it is rubbish
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