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godutch
post Jan 21 2011, 11:58 AM

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Growth to slow, inflation trending higher, earnings deteriorating, living cost increasing, property prices???? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif

Investors shun Malaysia as emerging market outlook cools
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-outlook-cools/

Asia to see soaring prices in 2011, more modest growth
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-modest-growth/

TNB earnings hit by higher coal prices
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...er-coal-prices/

will TNB use this as an excuse to hike electricity tariff???

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post Jan 21 2011, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 19 2011, 04:14 PM)
seller can demand whatever price they want, it doesn't reflect market price.
market price is not determined by asking prices.

valuer value lower does not mean it is the market price as well, but it is definitely a "safe" benchmark. if you pay at valuation price or below valuation price, consider it a fair trade or a good deal, if its above valuation price..then tread with caution...
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Well said. In the past 10 yrs, if you invest based on Valuer's suggestion, I would say it could be wrong, check Bangi, Kajang, Putrajaya, Shah Alam, Puchong, Valuer will always recognize the transacted price, 90% no pro. But how much have the properties in these area increase in value? Especially Fr 2000-2009, frankly I will seriously consider an area in which Valuer's under value it rather than those they recognize
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post Jan 21 2011, 09:35 PM

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let's discuss, which area will burst? my guess, setia alam
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post Jan 21 2011, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(xepa @ Jan 21 2011, 09:35 PM)
let's discuss, which area will burst? my guess, setia alam
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i guess Ambang Botanic. smile.gif
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post Jan 21 2011, 10:14 PM

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now wanna play the game of guessing...lol
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post Jan 21 2011, 10:53 PM

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must attch reason of burst lar

setia alam - price too high already, sudden jack up like nobody business

bandar botanic - no value originally, price up just because of JJ

Correct me if i'm wrong
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post Jan 21 2011, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(xepa @ Jan 21 2011, 09:35 PM)
let's discuss, which area will burst? my guess, setia alam
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if this guess is rite, bandar bkt raja burst worst.

guessing game ya?
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post Jan 21 2011, 11:26 PM

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from my experience, 1st time i heard about property bubble was back at year 2000
she said damansara area price is really ridiculous, and at that time she is somebody at BNM
10 years later which is 2010 people are saying the same thing
now i dunno how high is actually high doh.gif
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post Jan 21 2011, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(epie @ Jan 21 2011, 11:26 PM)
now i dunno how high is actually high doh.gif
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billion rm question.

think this thread has outlived its usefulness.
all good arguments heard, but the reality no change, no signs of change except lux condo rentals no good.
better wait till something really burst that everyonbody can see, or some investors report another 20% gain from today, then come back.
no change, no come back!
if not, all guessing game, cheap syok sendiri onli. biggrin.gif

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post Jan 22 2011, 12:57 AM

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Whether property up or down, mostly manipulated among investors, just like share market in 1995, everyone said too high, wait burst then go in, I remembered when Maybank dropped <Rm3 in 1998 (if not wrong), many worried bank close shop, also dared not to invest, guest who buy most? Rich man again...I foresee the property mkt crash when China stock mkt crisis, I bet those who are waiting property price to drop also dare not to buy by then, many excuses, end up rich man buy buy buy again...
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post Jan 22 2011, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Jan 17 2011, 11:36 AM)
Tot 2012 Armageddon end of world. Anyone watched the Hollywood movie? May be wait till 31st Dec 2012 see whether world still around ... tongue.gif
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LOL. What does it matter if the world ends in 2012? If it does, nothing will save you. If it doesn't, you'd at least be ahead of others in the property buying business. Why wait? tongue.gif
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post Jan 22 2011, 03:48 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jan 22 2011, 12:57 AM)
Whether property up or down, mostly manipulated among investors, just like share market in 1995, everyone said too high, wait burst then go in, I remembered when Maybank dropped <Rm3 in 1998 (if not wrong), many worried bank close shop, also dared not to invest, guest who buy most? Rich man again...I foresee the property mkt crash when China stock mkt crisis, I bet those who are waiting property price to drop also dare not to buy by then, many excuses, end up rich man buy buy buy again...
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hi UFO, I utterly agreed and like your idea. Indeed, i have the same thinking and comparison of the present property market with share market. I always look at the property market is a slower, more troublesome and less flexibity version of sharemarket. If we bought a wrong/bad share, we can just cut loss by a phone call or press one button "sell". On the other hand if you bought a wrong property! rclxub.gif need not to explain further. Of course someone will say property is something physical and touchable and we won't lost untill 0. This is the biggest benefit of property investment.
Pondering at the current property market, lot new properties launch, price surges like 20%-50% on every new phase, peoples still jostling for it.
Any investment must have up and down time like a parabolic, for equity market it may have few parabolic a year whereas for property market should be the same but at a much slower, bigger and longer parabolic. Real Investors/ fund managers know when to cash their profit. Do you know when? unsure.gif

P/s: It really takes time for peoples to realize and see the effects.

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post Jan 22 2011, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(bluesfingers @ Jan 22 2011, 03:48 AM)
hi UFO, I utterly agreed and like your idea. Indeed, i have the same thinking and comparison of the present property market with share market. I always look at the property market is a slower, more troublesome and less flexibity version of sharemarket. If we bought a wrong/bad share, we can just cut loss by a phone call or press one button "sell". On the other hand if you bought a wrong property!  rclxub.gif need not to explain further. Of course someone will say property is something physical and touchable and we won't lost untill 0. This is the biggest benefit of property investment.
Pondering at the current property market, lot new properties launch, price surges like 20%-50% on every new phase, peoples still jostling for it.
Any investment must have up and down time like a parabolic, for equity market it may have few parabolic a year whereas for property market should be the same but at a much slower or longer parabolic. Real Investor/ fund manager know when to cash their profit. Do you know when? unsure.gif
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In general, foreign investors feel that Malaysia property is cheap, investing property is less risky than stock mkt in Malaysia, we must face the fact that we dun hv Gd government like S'pore, Japan Taiwan or even China, dun expect g'ment can develope rural area anymore, only Penang & KL got hope, for me if keep 300K in RM cash is much much more risky than keep gold or real estate, property in M'sia serve special role to hedge against RM depreciation, if you invest share or insurance, end up you get back RM, I dun know the 100K cash I receive fr Insurance policy by yr 2040 can buy a small Perodua or not?
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post Jan 22 2011, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jan 22 2011, 03:53 PM)
In general, foreign investors feel that Malaysia property is cheap, investing property is less risky than stock mkt in Malaysia, we must face the fact that we dun hv Gd government like S'pore, Japan Taiwan or even China, dun expect g'ment can develope rural area anymore, only Penang & KL got hope, for me if keep 300K in RM cash is much much more risky than keep gold or real estate, property in M'sia serve special role to hedge against RM depreciation, if you invest share or insurance, end up you get back RM, I dun know the 100K cash I receive fr Insurance policy by yr 2040 can buy a small Perodua or not?
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wow 2040! I hope Proton and Perodua will not be around anymore.
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 22 2011, 05:38 PM)
wow 2040! I hope Proton and Perodua will not be around anymore.
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Ya I hope Proton close shop today
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 21 2011, 11:20 PM)
if this guess is rite, bandar bkt raja burst worst.

guessing game ya?
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Bandar Bukit Raja will burst?
I'm planning to buy there ler....
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post Jan 22 2011, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(shyshy @ Jan 21 2011, 11:01 PM)
i guess Ambang Botanic. smile.gif
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Why Ambang Botanic?
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post Jan 23 2011, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Jan 22 2011, 11:55 PM)
Why Ambang Botanic?
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The property price is ridiculous, lots of new launch houses are booked by internal ppl to create high demand, then sell to those are desparate at markup price. Recently my fren just earn 1 mil by selling those units that theu gotten thru lucky dip.

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IZ A CRAZY f***ING LIFE NOWADAYS!
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post Jan 23 2011, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(shyshy @ Jan 23 2011, 12:54 AM)
The property  price is ridiculous, lots of new launch houses are booked by internal ppl to create high demand, then sell to those are desparate at markup price. Recently my fren just earn 1 mil by selling those units that theu gotten thru lucky dip.
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Your fren got a few units from lucky dip? Is this a recent launch? That means your fren managed to sell his rights or the house before vp? wonder how much those internal staff make then.


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