Anyhow P3 is going to be the last paper i'm going to take at KSA. Although its easy to make friends there but I am seriously demotivated everytime i study there. I think the centre critical success factor lies on its low fees structure & veteran lecturer they possessed.
Please correct me if i am wrong bcos after several sittings i have discovered a similar characteristics among majority of KSA lecturer :

1) They like to discuss about past year (how many sittings never came out, how many syllabus has not been tested)
This approach will keep the student focussed but it become too "exam orientated" : students normally pass with minimal marks.

2) They tend to be "off-focus" while teaching. I am sure most of you out there will be very familiar with the lecturer lifestyle, history, experience...etc. Its quite refreshing to hear some jokes occasionally but spend every 30 minutes of class time to do so.....sigh.

3) Since most are veteran lecturer, they tend to give out too much "practical example". This always happen in theory papers. They will spend >50% of the time giving too much emphasise on real life situation. Its perfectly fine but they tend to lose focus much on the core elements of the syllabus.

The centre itself can be considered the "air-asia" in ACCA provider. They provide "no frills" package to students (whree you only be given a chair, table & lecturer itself). Apart from that you only study,study,study....etc. In simple english, KSA is like a tuition centre. What KSA should do is to expand their centre to provide more comfortableness to students. The only reason i think they reluctant is like what happen to FTMS & Systematic (now SEGI) crumbling down without a trace.

topace111, u got ur points n i tend to agree wit u. but i feel ur sentiments are not shared by da majority perhaps...for those without a gud financial, their fees are indeed vy attractive...from ksa point of view is dat their low fees is da focal point, even at da expense of students comfort...one can complain dat airasia's plane does not provide enuf leg room for passengers but da fact is their fares are indeed low n dats da main attraction...btw, Kasturi is a famous brand in terms of tuition centre for secondary students

Even I know a lot of student not so happy with the KSA environment, but I think you are the 1st one to complaint so many thing. If you got chance to attend CKF class, I think you will complaint more than KSA.

I only agree with part of your point:-

1) Ya, I'm the student only pass with minimal marks, not just P3, but P1 and P2 also. But some of my friend can get 60++ over. I don't know how they are so smart.

But I can told that the lecturer responsibility need to tell student what is important area for P3. So it is up to you to choose to study hard the whole syllabus or focus on important area.

But for me, 1st round I will study the everything cos I want to know what is study in P3. When come to study 2nd round, then I will more focus on important area due to time limit.

2) Regarding "off-focus", actually not just Parmindar, but other lecturer also like to talk "off focus" area in the class. I can tell you that last time when I attend CKF 3.2, he can spend 1/2 hours to just talk rubbish thing. He even talk a lot of bad thing about girls.

For me, as long as the lecturer can finish the syllabus on time, then I can accept this thing

3) If you want to get high marks in P3, then you must provide a lot of good example during exam. P3 is very commencent paper, as long as you can understand theory and know how to apply, then is ok oredi. The examiner always give marks based on what you argue, so most important is agrue the answer with suitable business model, if can then provide good example.

I know KSA has the overall best lecturers in KL. However one cannot denied that there are "bad-apples" hidden discreetly inside.
Perhaps the camouflage was appropriate there, when you have 5 out of the 6 lecturer are good you will generally assume the other 1 is good also.
Students tend to be bias will be vehemently defend / advocate their respective college especially when they are not "lecturer-based". Since i take different centre every sitting, I know that not all KSA lecturers are the best in the field.

Most students will cried , complain , clueless when they failed a particular paper and they will go when passed.
Please don't get agitated here : When students pass, 99% of the time they will justify that it was wholly their own effort / performance.
When they failed, you guess it they blame the lecturer (ha ha this is an inconvenient truth)

If i seem to be harsh / critical / sceptical / over-zealous ....etc. Thousand apologies to those offended & my condolescence if you share my sentiments. Perhaps i am waiting for a new centre to overtake those current ones in near future.
KSA has overtaken FTMS in terms of its market share. Sunway has emerge as the new power house for quality education (at a price of course).

I think you better complaint to KSA ACCA Director Andrew Pang. That is no point if you keep on to talk the samething every day in lowyat. Andrew Pang won't come to lowyat to read your complaining.

B4 that, I oso not happy with Sunway due to provide non-quality lecturer with unreasonable higher tuition fees, some more admin fees RM250. But student still want to go b'cos of College Life. So what we can do? Money is from their parents, if they want to waste like that also non of my business.

Same like KSA case, you keep on to complaint, but ppl still will go due to quality lecturer and cheap tuition fees. So what you can do?

For me, KSA offer quality lecturer with low tuition fees, got advantage and disadvantage also. Advantage is we no need to pay high fees to get high quality lecturer. At the same time, you can find that other college like Mc Orange also worry about lost student, so won't increase too much for their fees. Disadvantage......no need to talk cos you oredi highlight a lot.

In conclusion, there is no perfect in the world. Like Kwai Fatt said, "if girls want to find husband, only can choose either RICH or HANDSOME. RICH always not HANDSOME, HANDSOME always not RICH, if RICH and HANDSOME then will be GAY". So do you understand this theory?

acctually what tis thread discussing bout??

if you want to know, mostly nothing.

Actually is nothing, just he is not so happy to study under KSA - Parmindar P3 due to the KSA enviroment. I think he already keeping on to complaint all this issue in lowyat for more than 2 weeks. Ha Ha Ha!

KSA Revision Timetable : http://www.ksacitycampus.com/pdf/ACCA_Dec_2008_IRC.pdf

Ok i am done with the centre (for now)
I gathered some post ex big 4 external auditors & i found some areas that i need some confirmation.
According to one, PriceWaterhouseCoopers prefers potential employee to have :
1) A degree OR
2) A professional qualification (ie : ACCA) but with experience in university life.

It seems that even OBU or other similar degrees which ACCA graduates have exemptions are not recognised that much.
Their argument that most ACCA students (alone) are weak in presentation skills, PR skills & project or team management.
Although one can beg to differ in interview but a source told me this is what they preferred.

Can any of those who have endured the interview process / currently working in BIG 4 share ther experience here. Your insight is very valuable to me if not all of us here. One more thing is age a primary concern since I will be around 21 after i graduate.

Hope you will successful and Andrew will accept your opinion to improve the KSA environment next sitting onward.

Don't worry too much, Andrew is very nice person as I know him start from my 1st day attend his 2.4 class.

How much is the tuition fees if I choose to study CAT in Sunway College?
I searched their website but I found totally nothing in it regarding the tuition fees.
Btw, can I use my SPM trial result to apply for scholarship for Jan intake?
Thanks in advance.

The fees will be quite high.
Normally colleges won't offer you scholarship straight away when you start.
You need to achieve (ie : best result in class, prize winner....etc)
ACCA is not like degree which you will normally get one one due to its low cost.
I did use my trial (straight A1) still cannot get scholarship, then i use my real SPM cert months later (still straight A) but to no avail.
Most centres won't even give you one, only established university offer (FTMS, Sunway) when you are "TOP" of something (normally prize winner).
Moreover very very very few student stick to one college in ACCA (they will be lecturer based)

But after I did some researches, there are a few scholarships available to SPM students and they can apply based on their trial result.
It's something like 11A1, you get full tuition fees exemption.

Really , maybe i only apply in KL area vicinity last time.
Try looking for more established universities like INTI, KDU, Sunway you probably get one.
However, the best lecturer majority of them are based at KL (especially petaling street).
Most of them are ex premier university lecturer, foreigner, ex-CEO, > 25 years experience....etc teaching at less well known centres (among SPM leavers that is). Only very few minority choose to study at big established universities for ACCA.

Try this equation why pay more for something less if you apply for established universities (those are only good for degree / master / phd)
I almost follow your path due to "kiasu" & self arrogance on myself, luckily i received some appropriate advice & i am spreading it to you now.
Are you from a premier secondary school ?

Sadly to say, nope.
Btw, I'm considering to enroll Sunway CAT course, with scholarship of course.

Sunway, I believe offers full scholarship for CAT if you SPM results is about 12A1s I think. Not too sure, it's under the Tan Sri Jeffrey Cheah entrance scholarship, please consult sunway for more help ;p

Anyway.. to each his own. ;p

Can I use my trial result to apply for the scholarship?

I don't think so. The scholarship is ONLY given on actual results.

But then they stated that the scholarship is available for application 2 weeks before the Jan Intake?
How can I possibly enroll in January without my SPM result if I didn't receive the scholarship?