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Topace111
post Oct 1 2008, 03:19 PM

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I think many people have a common misconception about ACCA.
True its an accoutant profession body, so many people just have a perception that all we did was calculation.
Our "substance" job was to act as advisory capacity to our juniors whos has lack of depth / knowledge.
We can make a report / analysis from a table full of figures / numbers.
A layman will only act as "number crunchers" while we EXPLAIN the reasoning behind those calculations.
Thats why when we come to professional level many people failed bcos they lack the foundation / knowledge to think "outside of the box".

I found a very funny joke in internet months ago.
When a boss interviews for a future employee (he was approached by 5 individuals)
The simple question is how much is 1 + 1 ?
1) The child will of cource answer 2
2) The engineer will explain all those formulae / jargons (tangen, sinus.....) then the answer is 2.
3) The lawyer will quote multiple case law to support the answer is 2
4) An economist will have different model (Ansoff 2 + 2 = 5).......etc
5) The accountant will say this magical word that are sweet to employer's ears "What figure does you want it to appear?"

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post Oct 2 2008, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(xiuxing @ Sep 28 2008, 03:41 PM)
but i dun hav account basic ...


Added on September 28, 2008, 3:52 pm

thank for ur help..
u say should be follow lecture not follow college..i agree wit it..
because i now jz start for acca part one..
i dun noe which is suit for me..
i tink i should be tink for the fundamental paper first before the professional paper(coz its too far to me).
i try to find the college which hav good or ''ok'' lecture for my part one and part two first..
when i see all the suggestion, i notice tat KSA isĀ  hav many good lecture at there..
i not mind KSA is like the tuition centre..
i jz scare if the class is too big..i cant catch up the syllabus ..
is it the class at ksa for part one also very big?
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In KSA, for fundamental paper, except for F8 - Philip Woo, other lecturer class size still can acceptable. In Professional paper, for P1 to P3 sure got a lot of student (more than 200 in the class), b'cos Parmindar, Philip Woo, Joe Fang and Keith Farmer are the most demand lecturer in KL for P1 to P3.

So you need to think careful whether can study under this environment or not.

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post Oct 2 2008, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Oct 2 2008, 12:46 AM)
In KSA, for fundamental paper, except for F8 - Philip Woo, other lecturer class size still can acceptable. In Professional paper, for P1 to P3 sure got a lot of student (more than 200 in the class), b'cos Parmindar, Philip Woo, Joe Fang and Keith Farmer are the most demand lecturer in KL for P1 to P3.

So you need to think careful whether can study under this environment or not.
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I have tried to approach those who studied at KSA for P1 - P3. Most of them (especially those that without friends who will book place for them) dislike the KSA environment which is no student friendly but they are appreciative of the lecturer standards (especially Parmindar & Phillip Woo).
Even those who had friends to book for them complains over the obviously overcrowded class. It has been clear that the college has been "overtrading", I was actually amused that the centre with ACCA knowledge did not take actions to handle this. There has been persistent talk / rumours to scrap the conference room in auditorium (which i think is highly appropriate)

You don't have to take all your papers at KSA since there are equally if not better lecturers out there :
P1 : There is Sheila John in Mco whom has similar reputation but has considerable smaller class size (maybe due to the fees). I am a staunch believer in small class size & i followed my previous audit lecturer for P1 so i choose elsewhere.

P2 : Why worry, there is Haneef in Mco. There are some KSA F7 & P2 students has showed interest to switch lecturer to MCO but most of them have this "fear". They worried that the methods / techniques used will be rendered inadequate in another lecturer's environment. I have surveyed both switching students mentality : (strictly for P2)

1) Joe Fang to Haneef
They got overwhelmed at first since haneef talks a lot (all accounting talks). The method they got used to (quick calculation) was tested very early in the syllabus (consol part). Although they are not used to all the workings & explanation but most of them are very appreciative since this covers the loophole & gap in their knowledge & comprehension. As always he stressed on workings & explanation

2) Haneef to Joe Fang
They normally switched bcos they thought they need faster way to calculate & present (techniques) which Haneef normally reluctant to provide.
Most of them have easy transition in consol part but they have not grasp a better understanding in the standards part. Although its more exciting but thay feel that the lecturer has gone too practical while losing focus on the "gist" & key elements of standard. From his students comment i think they want to balance every a/c (which they normally did)

3) Keith Farmer students normally stick with him througthout F7 & P2 so nothing much to comment (he is equally balanced). Westerners tend not to specialise but goes for multi-skilled.

P3 : Alas this is the simplest but the hardest to express. There is no other lecturer (in my opinion & among other 400++) that he's the best in lecturing P3 in KL if no Malaysia. There are students who have come from Penang & melaka as well. Due to lack of other P3 lecturer in the vicinity his class has bben pumped by students from all over the place. However those who wished to slef study this paper is quite reasonable to do so.
Even Parmindar said so, his quote "depends on how you argue", "use professional english", "give popular real life example".
All of this depends on your knowledge & application.
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may i ask did your know who Ray Ng is ? He is providing revision class at Kasturi for F8-Audit ? consider joining.......

and from your point of view, which 1 is better or less to study - P2 or P3?
bcos don know wan to take p2 or p3 tis sitting ? i'm lack of time already.

pls advise, senior forumers here. thanks.

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wanna ask one thing

about sunway college do students still need to line up and pay for the notes?
waiting in the line .. wasting time...

i attended f7 last last sitting and studied at sunway...

or is it only f7???

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QUOTE(littlediana @ Oct 2 2008, 03:02 PM)
wanna ask one thing

about sunway college do students still need to line up and pay for the notes?
waiting in the line .. wasting time...

i attended f7 last last sitting and studied at sunway...

or is it only f7???

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Yes that's how things work in Sunway for all their papers. Get's quite sickening how we have to pay obscene prices for our fees, and yet still have to pay for our notes. This is unlike other colleges where the cost for the notes are all absorbed into the fees. Sighh.. shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(liondoncefreak @ Oct 2 2008, 11:42 PM)
Yes that's how things work in Sunway for all their papers. Get's quite sickening how we have to pay obscene prices for our fees, and yet still have to pay for our notes. This is unlike other colleges where the cost for the notes are all absorbed into the fees. Sighh..  shakehead.gif
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omg for all papers... luckily this time i doing at kdu blush.gif
as us part-timers busy working and studying quite hard hehe...

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post Oct 3 2008, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Oct 2 2008, 09:21 AM)
I have tried to approach those who studied at KSA for P1 - P3. Most of them (especially those that without friends who will book place for them) dislike the KSA environment which is no student friendly but they are appreciative of the lecturer standards (especially Parmindar & Phillip Woo).
Even those who had friends to book for them complains over the obviously overcrowded class. It has been clear that the college has been "overtrading", I was actually amused that the centre with ACCA knowledge did not take actions to handle this. There has been persistent talk / rumours to scrap the conference room in auditorium (which i think is highly appropriate)

You don't have to take all your papers at KSA since there are equally if not better lecturers out there :
P1 : There is Sheila John in Mco whom has similar reputation but has considerable smaller class size (maybe due to the fees). I am a staunch believer in small class size & i followed my previous audit lecturer for P1 so i choose elsewhere.

P2 : Why worry, there is Haneef in Mco. There are some KSA F7 & P2 students has showed interest to switch lecturer to MCO but most of them have this "fear". They worried that the methods / techniques used will be rendered inadequate in another lecturer's environment. I have surveyed both switching students mentality : (strictly for P2)

1) Joe Fang to Haneef
They got overwhelmed at first since haneef talks a lot (all accounting talks). The method they got used to (quick calculation) was tested very early in the syllabus (consol part). Although they are not used to all the workings & explanation but most of them are very appreciative since this covers the loophole & gap in their knowledge & comprehension. As always he stressed on workings & explanation

2) Haneef to Joe Fang
They normally switched bcos they thought they need faster way to calculate & present (techniques) which Haneef normally reluctant to provide.
Most of them have easy transition in consol part but they have not grasp a better understanding in the standards part. Although its more exciting but thay feel that the lecturer has gone too practical while losing focus on the "gist" & key elements of standard. From his students comment i think they want to balance every a/c (which they normally did)

3) Keith Farmer students normally stick with him througthout F7 & P2 so nothing much to comment (he is equally balanced). Westerners tend not to specialise but goes for multi-skilled.

P3 : Alas this is the simplest but the hardest to express. There is no other lecturer (in my opinion & among other 400++) that he's the best in lecturing P3 in KL if no Malaysia. There are students who have come from Penang & melaka as well. Due to lack of other P3 lecturer in the vicinity his class has bben pumped by students from all over the place. However those who wished to slef study this paper is quite reasonable to do so.
Even Parmindar said so, his quote "depends on how you argue", "use professional english", "give popular real life example".
All of this depends on your knowledge & application.
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Actually depend on the student oso. Ya, we can go for other lecturer in MCO, whether their taeching method is suitable for us, then it will another story. For me I don't like Sheila and Hannef teaching method.

Sheila - She is one of the most famous lecturer for F8 and P1. I study 2.6 under Sheila last time, but I don't like her notes b'cos too complicated even more difficult than reading BPP manual. I still remember last time, how long time for me to just read her 1st booklet of notes. After finish read it, I feel very blur in my mind, even don't know how to answer 2.6 question. Some more her explanation not so good as compare to Philip Woo. But some student like her notes very much, may be they feel Sheila study notes can help them a lot la.

Haneef - I'm study 2.5 under Haneef last time. For understanding, Haneef was very good in both consol and FRS. But he is too boring la, man. Some time I feel very sleep in his class. If anybody study under both Haneef and Joe Fang b4, I think they will have an advantage cos combination of Haneef FRS and Joe Fang Consol method will be very good in the exam.

Keith Farmer - I'm study P2 under him last sitting. What I can said was he is balance in both FRS and Consol, his technique was good oso. The only problem was his SLANG. Some student said don't like his video class, actually they make a mistake, cos Keith Farmer will run the class like normal lecturer in the class, means he will present in the classroom to teach F7/P2 like normal lecturer for every class. The video class is only catch up class for 2nd term student.

Lastly, I think you make some mistake for size the class in P3 Parmindar. The Auditorium (mean Room 1) in KSA only available seat for 250 student but not 400 student. Even some student bring some chair into class for add, but total won't be more than 300 student. So there was no 400++ student in the class.

Conclusion, actually very depend on the student. Last time when I study 3.2 under Choong Kwai Fatt in SEGI, the student even more than Parmindar and Philip Woo, but I still want to study cos I feel his exam technique is suitable for me.

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Actually i got a glimpse of the class size of Parmindar p3 & it's roughly between 350 - 400. Maybe some stop on 2nd term or some don't come for combine class. Anyhow my point is to stress that the class size is huge by any standards.
I also never join Sheila class bcos of the thickness of notes & lecturing style.
I don't think Haneef its boring but the way he conducted the lecture designated it so :
He pumps in too much info = you got too much to remember & understand = you lose focus = you lose interest = you become zzzzz.

Speaking of CKF how does he conduct his revision class ? How many sessions ?
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i'm gonna study acca part 1 next year jan'09.

If let's say i took part 1 in ksa. Then i wanna change college when part 2 to sunway college, do i have to wait for part 1 result first?

or i can just register right after taking my part 1 papers?

thanks in advance.
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post Oct 4 2008, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Oct 3 2008, 06:00 PM)
Actually i got a glimpse of the class size of Parmindar p3 & it's roughly between 350 - 400. Maybe some stop on 2nd term or some don't come for combine class. Anyhow my point is to stress that the class size is huge by any standards.
I also never join Sheila class bcos of the thickness of notes & lecturing style.
I don't think Haneef its boring but the way he conducted the lecture designated it so :
He pumps in too much info = you got too much to remember & understand = you lose focus = you lose interest = you become zzzzz.

Speaking of CKF how does he conduct his revision class ? How many sessions ?
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Normally in CKF class, the class size was between 250 - 300 student. His class normally was conduct at Saturday(2pm-7pm) and Sunday(9.00am-5.30pm). Normally, the total sessions of class will be around 18 to 19 days for normal class, 4 days for IRC (9.00am to 6.00pm.....7.00pm).

You need to pay fees again if want to attend his IRC. But normally we don't waste this money cos in the normal class, CKF already discuss a lot of past year paper, spotter area and exam technique with us.

Same problem as per Philip Woo and Parmindar class will happen in CKF class oso. A lot of student book the place for friend. Even in the class, Kwai Fatt already said not allow student book place for friend, but they still want to book. So what we can do? You will feel more difficult if got chance to attend CKF class. So what we can do? doh.gif doh.gif

Talk about CKF revision class - He will give one set of chart (all the concept for tax) and one booklet Q & A for revision class student. In the class, normally he will highlight a lot of P6/3.2 important area, tell us the concept and do the Q & A for that topic also. You can see a lot of exam technique he will teach you for answer the question. His revision class will end in 6pm, but he still will stay until 7.30pm for student to ask question.

What I can said was after attend his class, you will have better idea for doing this paper. Even there is no gurantee pass, but at least you will feel better for P6/3.2. And also some time he will tell you some actual practice story to make you know more than what study in P6/3.2.

Got one more good thing was CKF revision class got "Tea Time". Means during the break, he will belanja yours makan some kuih-muih, cu cheung fun and some time got fried chicken. Normally one day got 2 round "Tea Time" for you to enjoy.

But as I said b4, lecturer is no perfect. Even CKF also got some disadvantage. For eg, during his normal class, he give too many study materials to make us feel very persue for study this paper. Sometime his technique to teach this paper was more on Degree, so we need to more hardworking to practice a lot of past year question. That's why some ppl feel he is not so good as another lecturer in MCO - Chow Chee Yen will explain more detail in some topic for this paper.

Conclusion, both lecturer also got advantage and disadvantage, so see what you want only.


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Hi..hi...

Just wana ask.....is anyone know when the revision timetable for KSA will be out ah???????

i called several times to KSA...but da staff they is quite....disappointing me.....

Can anyone help?????
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QUOTE(Finding_Nemo @ Oct 4 2008, 08:14 AM)
Hi..hi...

Just wana ask.....is anyone know when the revision timetable for KSA will be out ah???????

i called several times to KSA...but da staff they is quite....disappointing me.....

Can anyone help?????
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I ask the receptionist yesterday & they will probably present it on next monday. I just hope i will not have any clashes in revision class.


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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Oct 4 2008, 01:58 AM)
Normally in CKF class, the class size was between 250 - 300 student. His class normally was conduct at Saturday(2pm-7pm) and Sunday(9.00am-5.30pm). Normally, the total sessions of class will be around 18 to 19 days for normal class, 4 days for IRC (9.00am to 6.00pm.....7.00pm).

You need to pay fees again if want to attend his IRC. But normally we don't waste this money cos in the normal class, CKF already discuss a lot of past year paper, spotter area and exam technique with us.

Same problem as per Philip Woo and Parmindar class will happen in CKF class oso. A lot of student book the place for friend. Even in the class, Kwai Fatt already said not allow student book place for friend, but they still want to book. So what we can do? You will feel more difficult if got chance to attend CKF class. So what we can do? doh.gif  doh.gif

Talk about CKF revision class - He will give one set of chart (all the concept for tax) and one booklet Q & A for revision class student. In the class, normally he will highlight a lot of P6/3.2 important area, tell us the concept and do the Q & A for that topic also. You can see a lot of exam technique he will teach you for answer the question. His revision class will end in 6pm, but he still will stay until 7.30pm for student to ask question.

What I can said was after attend his class, you will have better idea for doing this paper. Even there is no gurantee pass, but at least you will feel better for P6/3.2. And also some time he will tell you some actual practice story to make you know more than what study in P6/3.2.

Got one more good thing was CKF revision class got "Tea Time". Means during the break, he will belanja yours makan some kuih-muih, cu cheung fun and some time got fried chicken. Normally one day got 2 round "Tea Time" for you to enjoy.

But as I said b4, lecturer is no perfect. Even CKF also got some disadvantage. For eg, during his normal class, he give too many study materials to make us feel very persue for study this paper. Sometime his technique to teach this paper was more on Degree, so we need to more hardworking to practice a lot of past year question. That's why some ppl feel he is not so good as another lecturer in MCO - Chow Chee Yen will explain more detail in some topic for this paper.

Conclusion, both lecturer also got advantage and disadvantage, so see what you want only.
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Does he conduct normal class next sitting or just the revision class ?
Is Segi environment similar to KSA (not the student size) but the tables & chairs (is it very condensed) ?
I plan to take tax for option next sitting but i still need to ponder on the lecturer's issue.

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i hav yet to receive my sept student accountant magazine till now =(
my friends already received theirs..
i sent a mail to them but i get no response..
then i called to ACCA as well n the staff said tat it wil b sent to me within few days yet i got nothing..
my mailing address is correct..i dun even receive my exam registration form and caused me to register online without awaiting it anymore..

what shud i do?
anyone faced d same prob as mine b4?
pls advise..
thx thx =)

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any acca members here? want to ask, how do they check your required 3 years working experience for membership application purposes?
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Oct 4 2008, 10:58 AM)
I ask the receptionist yesterday & they will probably present it on next monday. I just hope i will not have any clashes in revision class.


Added on October 4, 2008, 11:01 am

Does he conduct normal class next sitting or just the revision class ?
Is Segi environment similar to KSA (not the student size) but the tables & chairs (is it very condensed) ?
I plan to take tax for option next sitting but i still need to ponder on the lecturer's issue.
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I'm not sure whether CKF will conduct any class or not next sitting. He already stop 2 sitting for P6, I heard that he will conduct revision class for Dec 08 sitting, but yesterday I get latest news from my friend work in SEGI, he told me haven't receive anything from CKF regarding the revision class, so may be he won't conduct class oso.

Actually you can email to him to ask him come back to teach P6. At the same time, ask your friend oso email to him. When he see more ppl email him, then it is BIG CHANCE he will conduct P6 class. (CKF email: kwaifatt@yahoo.com)

Talk about environment, I don't feel that the environment for SEGI auditorium is better than KSA. Some time I feel more difficult to study cos the auditorium use the "Chair Desk". The only better environment for SEGI Auditorium was it look like "Auditorium in University", means that even you sit at behind, you oso can see very clear.


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hie there
wud jus like 2 ask...
im a student in sunway college
and im currently taking the CAT programme
which is the foundation lvl to ACCA

i on my 2nd semester
and i failed my first 3 subjects
basically im nt really gud wiv numbers
bt have to study ACCA due to my parents

is there anyone here who could help me or giv me contacts for tuition regarding T2 and T4 ?
both basic lvl n calculation paper

as my finals are in the 1st week of december
i do need some help
thanks so much in advance~~
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hi all is it the essential paper(p1-P3) have to be passed 1st before taking optional paper.?

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QUOTE(edith @ Oct 5 2008, 03:36 PM)
hi  all is it the essential paper(p1-P3) have to be passed 1st before taking optional paper.?
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You must pass all core papers first to take optional papers by itself
If you failed either 1 core paper, you must take that core paper TOGETHER with your optional paper.
You can take optional as long as :
1) You have either passed all core paper OR
2) You pass partial of core papers but take thae failed core papers tohgehter with optional paper
(Eg : take P2 with P4 & P5) = 3 papers in one sitting


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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Oct 5 2008, 02:40 AM)
I'm not sure whether CKF will conduct any class or not next sitting. He already stop 2 sitting for P6, I heard that he will conduct revision class for Dec 08 sitting, but yesterday I get latest news from my friend work in SEGI, he told me haven't receive anything from CKF regarding the revision class, so may be he won't conduct class oso.

Actually you can email to him to ask him come back to teach P6. At the same time, ask your friend oso email to him. When he see more ppl email him, then it is BIG CHANCE he will conduct P6 class. (CKF email: kwaifatt@yahoo.com)

Talk about environment, I don't feel that the environment for SEGI auditorium is better than KSA. Some time I feel more difficult to study cos the auditorium use the "Chair Desk". The only better environment for SEGI Auditorium was it look like "Auditorium in University", means that even you sit at behind, you oso can see very clear.
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This situation like Keith farmer years ago.
I did experience "chair desk" at FTMS auditorium & i must say that it was not comfortable at all.
I have to refer to my NPV table, my calculator, question booklet & answer sheet all in one chair at the same time. I still wonder how i managed it last sitting ???.
Today i saw some students without a table at all at KSA auditorium for parmindar P3 class for 6 hours. My total respect for these people for dedication to study in an uncomfortable environment. I will expect A LOT WORSE in REVISION TIME. I think i will be lucky just to have a place to stand mind a seat. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Oct 5 2008, 06:08 PM)
You must pass all core papers first to take optional papers by itself
If you failed either 1 core paper, you must take that core paper TOGETHER with your optional paper.
You can take optional as long as :
1) You have either passed all core paper OR
2) You pass partial of core papers but take thae failed core papers tohgehter with optional paper
(Eg : take P2 with P4 & P5) = 3 papers in one sitting


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This situation like Keith farmer years ago.
I did experience "chair desk" at FTMS auditorium & i must say that it was not comfortable at all.
I have to refer to my NPV table, my calculator, question booklet & answer sheet all in one chair at the same time. I still wonder how i managed it last sitting ???.
Today i saw some students without a table at all at KSA auditorium for parmindar P3 class for 6 hours. My total respect for these people for dedication to study in an uncomfortable environment. I will expect A LOT WORSE in REVISION TIME. I think i will be lucky just to have a place to stand mind a seat. shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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So what to do? Since both CKF, Philip Woo and Parmindar also demand lecturer. They are also busy man, it is very difficult for them to open 2nd class. No choice lo, if want to study under them, then just follow lo.

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