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Hobbies Tamiya Mini 4wd V4, lets and go!

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post Feb 16 2009, 03:25 PM

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david tamiya
post Feb 16 2009, 03:54 PM

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we will be recieving new parts in about 1 to 2 weeks time

JR Fluorine Coated Gear Shaft - Straight 2pcs
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JR Mass Damper Set
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JR FRP Multi Roll Setting Stay
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JR Mini 4WD Reinforced Chassis - VS Chassis red

JR Offset Tread Tires - Hard/Orange

JR Offset Tread Tires - Hard/Lt Blue
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post Feb 16 2009, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(david tamiya @ Feb 16 2009, 03:54 PM)
we will be recieving new parts in about 1 to 2 weeks time

JR Fluorine Coated Gear Shaft - Straight 2pcs
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JR Mass Damper Set
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JR FRP Multi Roll Setting Stay
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JR Mini 4WD Reinforced Chassis - VS Chassis red

JR Offset Tread Tires - Hard/Orange

JR Offset Tread Tires - Hard/Lt Blue
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=> mini4wd, tks for uploading all the pics...

=> david, the multi setting frp.... shocking.gif ..... more $$$ to use .... cry.gif
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post Feb 16 2009, 04:23 PM

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hey all..
newb here, been playing tamiya 2 years adi n then stop..dunno where adi the race and the competition and all..
want to know la..where do u all guys race la or competition?
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post Feb 16 2009, 08:23 PM

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Photobucket is still taking centuries to load its photo uploader so I shall do a quick reply here b4 posting the settings I used for the previous 2 races.

@Eelen: Thx for the pics and the mass dampers. It really helps in the mini-hump. And the tyre too. Yesterday night after helping to keep the track still cannot find my tyre. blush.gif

@David: Ok. I will let you know tmr what time I'd be going. Will be bringing my car and a hyperdash/ torque tune. Buying parts too brows.gif

@B-mech: Nice meeting you yesterday. Perhaps we can go to Stargek when we both are free for parts. rclxms.gif

@TamiyaAye: There is no best chassis imho, since the positioning of motor will affects its centre of gravity and torque bias, leading to different characteristics. Thus, there is only chassis best suited for a particular track. If you are more into the technical tracks Super-FM would be your best bet. If you are a speed freak like me 1. MS-PRO, 2. TZ-X and 3. VS are gd (in order of personal preference). nod.gif

@TMY Kia: You see the track pics the mini-hump I kanna killed there blink.gif

@Kay86:
Ans1: I would opined that since friction in ball bearing is negligible, the larger roller would have a faster cornering speed. Reason 1: larger circumference leads to better track-to-track movement (since tracks have slight irregularities at joints) Reason 2: larger rollers have less rolling resistance ie less energy loss (for same distance travelled, smaller roller needs to spin more). Of cuz this is if u do not put O-ring on the large rollers.

Ans 2: Get 2 rulers and place the edge on the centre of front tyre leading to the centre of rear tyre. You will see that it coverges into the centre. leading to straight running stability. Thus, Narrow front wide back will improve straight running. Conversely wide front narrow back will improve cornering (not recommended). Using narrow tyres will naturally reduce drag thus leading to faster speed and longer battery life. Narrow all: speed>stability. Wide all: speed<stability (converse for tilt cornering). nod.gif

Ans 3: I feel 12~13cm (the setting I run in, depending on rollers I use) gives the best bang for the buck. A shorter roller length will allow for more fluid corner/wave transition, whilst a longer roller length will improve on the stability of the car, esp @ bridge section.

Ans 4: Tilt cornering is dependent on the centrifugal force as well as relative positioning of your CG and rollers. The moment your car exits the corner there will be no tilt and the car will naturally rest on 4 wheels. With the length of the jump, your car should jump straight no problems.
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post Feb 16 2009, 08:35 PM

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Helo guys...
Hi David, if i was not mistaken, u r the blue shirt guy tat handle cashier part isit? If i m wrong, sorry...
(So cool one, abit scary sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif JKJK nod.gif )

If u don really remember me, jus now i hv gone to TU and i bought Savanna Leo one.

Anyway, i stil consider as a newbie though i been plying Tamiya 4wd 10 years ago n stop. I saw my old car also sien, 60% not Tamiya.
Hope anyone here can teach me something about how to modify my new car(But now so poor)... Thanks.
Hope I being welcome... blush.gif blush.gif blush.gif

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post Feb 16 2009, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(TamiyaAye @ Feb 16 2009, 09:35 PM)
Helo guys...
Hi David, if i was not mistaken, u r the blue shirt guy tat handle cashier part isit? If i m wrong, sorry...
(So cool one, abit scary sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  JKJK nod.gif )

If u don really remember me, jus now i hv gone to TU and i bought Savanna Leo one.

Anyway, i stil consider as a newbie though i been plying Tamiya 4wd 10 years ago n stop. I saw my old car also sien, 60% not Tamiya.
Hope anyone here can teach me something about how to modify my new car(But now so poor)... Thanks.
Hope I being welcome... blush.gif  blush.gif  blush.gif
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13lack.12ose
post Feb 16 2009, 08:57 PM

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I see Tom Ghody Special, Liberty Emperor Black Special and Big Bang Ghost all 1st edition releases biggrin.gif
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post Feb 16 2009, 09:45 PM

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Oh is u... Nice to meet u...

Ha, sure i wil come to practice, I might come in week end if free.
But my car stil so poor now, and i think i sud use back my non-tamiya rollers or some part 1st and then upgrade 1 by 1 until perfect.
Hope i am being welcome although not 100% tamiya accessories yet.

Who's going to play tis week end? Let go together wan...? brows.gif
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post Feb 16 2009, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(TamiyaAye @ Feb 16 2009, 10:45 PM)
Oh is u... Nice to meet u...

Ha, sure i wil come to practice, I might come in week end if free.
But my car stil so poor now, and i think i sud use back my non-tamiya rollers or some part 1st and then upgrade 1 by 1 until perfect.
Hope i am being welcome although not 100% tamiya accessories yet.

Who's going to play tis week end? Let go together wan...?  brows.gif
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it is ok la cos my main concern is the track as some guys dont care about the track some use screw as brake so many scar at the track as u guys know la broken track cant play anymore
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post Feb 16 2009, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(david tamiya @ Feb 16 2009, 09:53 PM)
it is ok la cos my main concern is the track as some guys dont care about the track some use screw as brake so many scar at the track as u guys know la broken track cant play anymore
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Lol, got those kind of ppl one... Use screw as brake "so cool"... rclxub.gif
Actually 4wd now stil using brake system one meh? I mean in correct way...

Actually most of my accessories was bought from the supermarket last time, the production company's logo is a circle wif 9(forgot wat name oredy). Now look at it also wan vomit... ugly...
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post Feb 16 2009, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(TamiyaAye @ Feb 16 2009, 11:13 PM)
Lol, got those kind of ppl one... Use screw as brake "so cool"...  rclxub.gif
Actually 4wd now stil using brake system one meh? I mean in correct way...

Actually most of my accessories was bought from the supermarket last time, the production company's logo is a circle wif 9(forgot wat name oredy). Now look at it also wan vomit... ugly...
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brake is commonly used now cars are fast so sometimes needs brake before the jump
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post Feb 16 2009, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(TamiyaAye @ Feb 16 2009, 10:13 PM)
Lol, got those kind of ppl one... Use screw as brake "so cool"...  rclxub.gif
Actually 4wd now stil using brake system one meh? I mean in correct way...

Actually most of my accessories was bought from the supermarket last time, the production company's logo is a circle wif 9(forgot wat name oredy). Now look at it also wan vomit... ugly...
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in fact the brake system evolved... these are the 3 new brake parts

Tamiya (#94646) - Tamiya MS Chassis Plate Brake Set
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Tamiya (#15361) - Tamiya Underside Stabilizing Head Set
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Tamiya (#15377) - Wide Roller Stay Set (Damped)
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nice to meet you too... i'm new as well. stopped at 1999 and now have fun again! since now got work it is much more affordable compare to last time as a kid @___@. no $, no parts.
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Setting on 08 Feb 09 @ Tampines:

Winning Bracket: 21.69s~22.42s (6 placings, all SFM)
My time: 22.76s

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Motor: Torque Tuned
Gear: 3.5:1
Roller Stats: Width 95mm; Length: 130mm; Angle: 10 degrees (might have slight error, since I used a 10 degree spacer but did not take into account of chassis angle)

Setting on 15 Feb 09 @ Khatib:

Winning Time: 25++s (too tired did not remember)
My time: none laugh.gif

Setting used to clear mini-hump:
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The mass dampers worked wonders for the mini hump on my car. Need help and tips on clearing mini-hump. Much Appreciated. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif



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post Feb 17 2009, 03:04 AM

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Thanks David and black.rose for the answers, appreciate it smile.gif

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Ans 4: Tilt cornering is dependent on the centrifugal force as well as relative positioning of your CG and rollers. The moment your car exits the corner there will be no tilt and the car will naturally rest on 4 wheels. With the length of the jump, your car should jump straight no problems.


My car still tilts after exiting the corner and into the jump..because it will "fly" with either the left side or right side down, depending on a right turn or left turn..
If I were to place the back rollers higher, will the tilt be reduced? Or how should I position the back rollers?
(P.S. - I have tried putting the ball caps of stabilizing pole on but it still tilts.. mad.gif )

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post Feb 17 2009, 03:30 AM

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QUOTE(Kay86 @ Feb 17 2009, 04:04 AM)
Thanks David and black.rose for the answers, appreciate it smile.gif
My car still tilts after exiting the corner and into the jump..because it will "fly" with either the left side or right side down, depending on a right turn or left turn..
If I were to place the back rollers higher, will the tilt be reduced? Or how should I position the back rollers?
(P.S. - I have tried putting the ball caps of stabilizing pole on but it still tilts..  mad.gif )
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QUOTE(Kay86 @ Feb 17 2009, 03:04 AM)
Thanks David and black.rose for the answers, appreciate it smile.gif
My car still tilts after exiting the corner and into the jump..because it will "fly" with either the left side or right side down, depending on a right turn or left turn..
If I were to place the back rollers higher, will the tilt be reduced? Or how should I position the back rollers?
(P.S. - I have tried putting the ball caps of stabilizing pole on but it still tilts..  mad.gif )
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What is the diameter difference for your rollers? Prolly a pic would be good too. Usually you would want your car to tilt only very very slightly. (2mm difference for top/btm roller diameter.)

I presume you are single front double back roller setting. If this is the case yes shifting the top-back rollers up will reduce the tilt. But it would be better to lower the btm-back rollers since too high a roller position (esp for tilt cornering) is a tat too risky. Setting your rollers low gives a bit of inert downforce and speed as well.

I suppose your tilt when jump is right turn---> right tilt down, left turn---> left tilt down?

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post Feb 17 2009, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(13lack.12ose @ Feb 16 2009, 08:23 PM)

@TMY Kia: You see the track pics the mini-hump I kanna killed there  blink.gif
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Waa...a rclxub.gif
How they do the mini jump in the track... will the mini out position...???

Wat's the fastest time?
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post Feb 17 2009, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(TMY kia.. @ Feb 17 2009, 12:00 PM)
Waa...a rclxub.gif
How they do the mini jump in the track... will the mini out position...???

Wat's the fastest time?
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what u worry about the mini jump if a jump like that cant pass no need to play car la so easy
if the jump like the pro tour final last year thta is hard
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post Feb 17 2009, 01:58 PM

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Lesson 1:
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May I knw wat is the main purpose of this kind of wheel, isit call 1 way-wheel?
Hope any1 pro can explain to me... Thanks...

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