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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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post Aug 18 2009, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(Xziled @ Aug 18 2009, 02:01 AM)
No la..as far as i'm concerned, i dun think so.
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Which subjects did u mean? for A'lvls? or for degree?
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I think he means A-levels.

For an A-levels student who is going to read law in the future, any subjects in A-levels will do.
You can even take up science subjects if you want . However, if you looking for subjects which may help you in your degree.
I would suggest you take up Law, Business Studies, Sociology, Economics and English. You can choose 3 from these of course.

For law student , all subjects are compulsory in your 1st year if u r taking UoL External LLB.

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post Aug 18 2009, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(nightanubis @ Aug 18 2009, 05:00 PM)
Ok.. and yes i was talking about A-lvls ... sorry for the confusion

So anyway what if i'm thinking about a double degree in business and law ?

Would taking 3 to 4 subjects from Law, Business Studies, Sociology, Economics or English remain the best option ?
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Lolx...In my opinion, it is no harm for you to think of taking a double degree in business and law. That would depends whether do you have the intention to practice in Malaysia. Please refer to Legal Qualifying Board , if i am not mistaken, for a double degree holder, the duration of it must be at least 5 years, with that, you will only be allowed to sit for CLP . So, though it is no harm to think more, you really have to take more things into consideration before you make any decision.

Due to the A-levels subjects issue, if you are capable with 4 or 5 subjects and score well, why not ? it opens more options to you.
If you are not, 3subjects is advisable. Actually, whether those subjects are the best option is really subjective as it depends on how do you define BEST in this context. Anyway, the aforementioned subjects are commonly what pre-law students would take nowadays.
Besides, if you think you can do well in science subjects , you can try taking it. Why not i mean if it helps you to get an A instead of others subjects which are total stranger to you ?

My 2 cents. Hope it helps. hehe...
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post Aug 19 2009, 12:22 AM

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[quote=minshuen,Aug 18 2009, 06:09 PM]
[quote=Xziled,Aug 18 2009, 02:01 AM]
No la..as far as i'm concerned, i dun think so.

erm...sry i cant gt you.MMU law degree holder cant take postgraduate at famous university such as UM is it?
thanks for ur help anyway.
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Lolx..i think there's some communication problems between you and Xzilled .
Haha...anyway, MMU law degree holder is recognised under MQA and get exempted from CLP now.
So, job prospects wise is depends on their performance ? The first badge was out, pending on those law firm's view la.
I am nobody to judge MMU law graduates.

I think as long as the degree is recognised in Malaysia and it fullfilled the entry requirement. I can see no reason why MMU law graduates cannot further their post graduate studies in UM , a famous university in accordance to you.

Dont worry about that. hahax....


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post Aug 19 2009, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Aug 19 2009, 03:28 PM)
o...i gt you.thanks all of u for the advice. thumbup.gif i am planning to go for foundation in law that offered by MMU but just worry about the future of a graduate from MMU law.erm..i would like to ask one more question. UK university graduates have to take CLP in order to practise law in malaysia,before they pass the test,can they work in a law firm or legal department?
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Can, why not ? work as an attachment but not as a chambering though. Even if you want to work in law firm now also wouldnt be a problem.
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post Aug 27 2009, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 27 2009, 05:38 PM)
Is there any Black and white saying MMU law is exempted from CLP?
All i read is RUMOURS which is dangerous.

Link from MMU http://www.mmu.edu.my/fbl/

can any senior clarify this issue?
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http://www.elawyer.com.my/blog/malaysia-mu...-from-clp-exam/
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post Aug 28 2009, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Xziled @ Aug 28 2009, 01:02 AM)
aiyo! still young la! they r ppl much more older than u wei xD
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Lolx, no worries, sometimes, there are also people like me who likes to join part time class at night.
Seriously, 24 years old is not a problem.....
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(keong17 @ Sep 4 2009, 12:02 AM)
errr , i am going to take law , but i already done my UTAR foundation , izit possible to study degree straight forward?
and bricksfield , ATC , stamford , which 1 is better?
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I dont think foundation studies will get you to LLB as it requires A-levels or equivalent..
You may need to take up A-levels.....so far, Brickfields is doing an excellent job in all of its courses .
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post Sep 24 2009, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(blitz3r @ Sep 24 2009, 07:12 PM)
thanks 4 d info....

i did some research and found out it takes about GBP16k a yr in uk which is about RM90k....... d tuition fees for example at HELP is RM44k alone excluding living cost which i suspect will n around another Rm30-50k(correct me if im wrong)....... im not from KL so lodging n food is gonna contribute alot to tat...... it seems that the cost diff is very minimal....

btw, taylors twinning programme states that they hav lecturers from Readings coming in to give lectures... anyone currently attending that course or have any feedback on readings?.....


Added on September 24, 2009, 7:30 pmsorry 4 d error doh.gif ...... living cost in KL about Rm15k so there is about RM20k in diff..... smile.gif
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Yes, it is true that it takes around 90k to 100k/yr in UK. Of course, that would depends on the location.
Well, i am currently taking UK transfer degree in Brickfields Asia College. They offer quite a number of universities for the degree transfer.
The best university amongst the choices , imo, would be Cardiff which also offers BVC.

Maybe you would like to take it into consideration?...Lecturers are quite good also with experiences and some of them are practicing lawyers.
2yrs in Brickfields cost RM30K only as compared to HELP....
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post Feb 4 2010, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(rayie101 @ Jan 18 2010, 03:01 AM)
I had just completed my SPM Exam on the last December and I am waiting for my result nw ...
I plan to do Law but I don't know is STPM better or A level better ?
I heard that STPM is very hard...
Can you give me some advices about pre u studies ?
Which private college is better ?
ATC or BAC ?
I really very confused nw ...
Is the law degree frm MMU recognised in SG ?
And what is the differences between the law degree that offer in MMU and ATC or BAC ?
Is the CLP exam very hard to pass ?
How to pratice law in SG ?
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Wow, it has been months i didnt sign in and leave a comment here. hehehe....
Hi, rayie101, BAC and ATC has got some differences though. As far as i know, ATC offers only UOL external program which they have been doing rather well but not really UK transfer as in those who offering it will have some partner universities for students to choose, eg, HELP, BAC, INTI...

Are you planning to do UK transfer degree ?

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post Feb 22 2010, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(maxinechng @ Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM)
hey, i was wondering, if i take my BVC exams in the UK, must i take CLP again if i want to practise in Malaysia?

thanks.
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No, you need not take CLP again if you have taken BVC( Now is BPTC).
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post Mar 5 2010, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(CahayaPencinta @ Mar 4 2010, 12:01 AM)
Do i still have a chance to further my study in Law if my MUET is only Band 3?
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Yes you have as there are numbers of private institution offering Law degree.
Of course the least is that you have to fulfill its entry requirement.
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post Mar 8 2010, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Mar 8 2010, 12:17 AM)
Hey guys, I really need your kindness and helpful hand here.

I need a list of Uk universities (LLB (Hons)) that are recognized under our qualifying board.

Pls help me, I need to know whether University of John Moores Liverpool is recognized or not.

What about University of West England?

Is there any list for UK univerities that are black listed?
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UWE is recognised....why?
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post Mar 23 2010, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(ahyenn @ Mar 22 2010, 10:26 PM)
hi, i just gt my SPM result recently and i plan to study law in future.

I want to study foundation in law and bachelor of law in Multimedia University but i heard somebody said foundation in law of MMU will cause u nt qualified to take CLP, izzit true?

And i also knew that MMU LLB was exempted from CLP=.=

I am quite blur now..so hope u all can give me a clear answer.

Whether after graduates frm Foundation and LLB in MMU, i am qualified to take CLP and after pass it, i can become a lawyer in future?
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Yes, you can, or i shall put it this way, reading law at MMU giving you an exemption of CLP which means, after 4 years of studies, you can straight away chambering ....
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post May 15 2010, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(chelsh @ May 15 2010, 10:27 AM)
Study for your paper 2! my friend got A in paper 1 and C in paper 2, she still can get A in the end for AS.
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Well, i suppose you are taking Cambridge A-levels? It is still possible for you to get a B for your overall A-levels. Make sure you get a good A during A2 level.
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post May 15 2010, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(irenehwa91 @ May 15 2010, 12:36 PM)
But paper 1 carry a lot of mark.. im so scare for my paper 2 now..


Added on May 15, 2010, 12:37 pm

I just want to knw is it possible i still can get B in AS after my paper 1 screw? Thanks ^^
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Just study for your paper 2 and prepare for your A2 level. Even if you get a 'C' in your AS level, you still stand a chance to get an overall 'B' after paper 3 and paper 4.
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post Jun 3 2010, 03:59 PM

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Wondering why people just dont want to climb all these threads while all questions have already been answered but opt to open a new thread....



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post Jun 4 2010, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(QQ_feng @ Jun 3 2010, 08:52 PM)
Bcoz by asking i can gt exactly answer for myself...plus not everyone like u got so many times to open the threads one by one DUDE!!!


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Bcoz by asking i can gt exactly answer for myself...plus not everyone like u got so many times to open the threads one by one DUDE!!! yawn.gif
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Wow...didnt know you will get so emotional here...By the way, sorry if i have offended you, didn't mean it at all.
Well, just noticed recently, i have found few threads which asked about the same question...That's why i was wondering why they didn't give a try on reading this useful thread started by thread user.....

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QUOTE(stevelim90 @ Jun 9 2010, 08:21 PM)
I would like to ask, if study UoL programme and can't get a second lower, i mean got a third class, what to do? because my friend is taking external programme and i am taking internal.
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Hmm, he/she is not eligible to sit for CLP then for my knowledge. Right? Correct me if im wrong....


Added on June 10, 2010, 11:45 am
QUOTE(bornofosiris @ Jun 8 2010, 11:05 PM)
I have a question to ask...which colllege would u think is better to be enrolled in A levels law...HELP or brickfields asia college...any other maybe?
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If you are quite wealthy, i think Taylors and HELP is not bad fro its pre-u program.
Brickfields is quite affordable though and i would say, it is running quite well there.
Do take note that, ATC and KDU also offer the program. Maybe you can talk to them and make up your mind after that.

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post Jun 17 2010, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(stevelim90 @ Jun 15 2010, 07:58 PM)
I am planning to quit BAC and go to HELP, because BAC really not good, they teach law only touch and go and let people pass, after graduate like you don't know everything in law, i rather pay 20k to learn in HELP.
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I think you are referring to Uk Transfer Degree. As compared to University of LOndon, DTP is more lenient as they do not need to cover everything.
If you were to shift to HELP, the result would be same, borrow your word ' touch and go'. Nonetheless, they are of the aim to not spoon feeding you. If you want to score, you need to do more extra works.
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QUOTE(stevelim90 @ Jun 19 2010, 12:13 AM)
I am not looking for spoon feeding, but there are many important issue they dont tell us, even a change in recent law, they also didnt tell, and very funny part is you know the exam question before exam. this is they wanna give you pass easily.


Added on June 19, 2010, 12:17 am

comparing to other college, even they touch and go, at least they give you a guidline, if a lecturer always crap CLP in class, which is irrelevant to your course, and you ask him question, he can answer you wrongly, this is sucked, those from alvl are not liking the lecturers. sigh.
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(a)Lecturer's problem
Firstly, i can tell you, some lecturers do like to chit chat and talk nothing relevant in the class though i have not experienced any but i heard a lot from my friends.
Hmmm, Lecturers crapping CLP in class? thats interesting. Who is that?

lol...Even Taylors law school, i know one lecturer teaching Public law and Common Law Reasoning, he gives everything they need and read from the note.( is that the so called 'guideline'?His favourite is not teaching law but a motivational talk instead.

Every schools have got good and bad lecturers. Depending on how you interpret and whats a 'good' lecturer in your mind. For me, a good lecturer can make law as a lively subject. A Professor in Uni of Reading may know many thing in and out for law, but he may not be a good lecturer as in the way he presents leads us to the mindset that law is boring.

Regardless, undeniably, BAC has some lecturers which is just not up to the par in my view but not much?( Who am i to judge them right?)Another thing, in relation with lecturer teaching or answering the wrong thing, just tell them ! As i did last time but the lecturer does not seem to be liking me.I experienced once last year, where it was an unforgivable mistake. Anyway, he has now improved and i think he is now doing great, or at least, better.

(b) Guideline?

Are you saying, in BAC, they didnt give you a guideline? Ermm, as for me, my lecturers do give us guideline which i dislike it. Means we are following them and we are on the right track? This makes law such a dull and dry course ! To a certain extent if i really lost, i will open my mouth and ask for 'guideline'.

Without a doubt,to my mind, spoon feeding is almost a culture in Malaysia. Be it ATC, BAC, KDU, Taylors or HELP, depending on whats spoon feeding to you.
In UK, you will also notice the lecturers will not be teaching everything but whatever is covered in your exams too. Of course, no Q and A. That doesnt mean they aiming you to only pass, right? Same goes to what happened to you, you can stand out of the crowd. You do not need to follow the so called Q&A ( just get to know what topic is likely to come out is more than sufficient).

If you asked those academicians from Northumbria, Cardiff, Abersywyth and so on, you will be surprised whats their reaction when they realised we actually have 3 hours per lecture. For them, this is spoon feeding.

Do it your own way. I did it for my first year and so can you. But i agree with you, they need to improve. Giving out questions is definitely not the way. I have also told the management. Hopefully they will do something about it especially now they having more UK universities entering in partnership with them. In order to achieve a higher standard, scrutiny process is needed instead of just merely to pass students. That culture should not even be in existence.

P/S:I attended Prof. Wayne Morrison lectures and he is of the opinion that, BAC students are more creative as compared to others.Maybe thats the effect of not giving 'guidelines'? We as a student,law student, should have done research on our own. The lecturers know about those recent development in law but they might not have told us. I once read some recent developments, and i went on to ask them, you will be surprise they know it more than i have found with their own opinion and analysis. They are happy with us doing more researches.

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