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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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post Jun 22 2010, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(bornofosiris @ Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM)
i'm planning on reading law at HELP academy..I got a question...what subjects do i take for A levels law..not sure at all..got maths accounts? or is it different from A levels arts...will appreciate any answers.
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If you are of the intention to read law, any subjects in A-levels will do perfectly fine as you need only two principle passes.
You can even take all the science subjects but pursue your law degree at latter time.
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post Jun 24 2010, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Jun 22 2010, 06:27 PM)
Respect, coz I could never stay awake during his lecture. Went for 1, and that was enough...that was the first and last time i attended a lecture from the uni of london ext lecturers. but of course, the important bits were conveyed to me via my goodie friends who did go...mainly an implied tip here and there!
As explained by jhong above. Any combination is fine. Recommended to take at least three subjects in which you either have an interest in or you feel that you can score.
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Well, i was feeling drowsy while listen to his lecture and he was funny also. No choice, i had to concentrate and focus as my friends need me to dictate down whatever is necessary for them ( so called - hidden tips) ....


Added on June 24, 2010, 12:26 am
QUOTE(bornofosiris @ Jun 23 2010, 03:28 PM)
hmm tx for the reassurance..general paper is LAN rite?plus is law a subject of it's own in A level just like chemistry,bio...last question..will there be like any disadvanteges as compared to like law schools like BAC.it's purely law for the whole course if i'm not mistaken..
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There is no need for you to take comparison as to whether a 'law school' like BAC might have done better or not.
A pre-U is what you need to be considered on. To answer your question, law itself is an independent subject like biology.
It may help as in you may get an overview on how law subject is or a good foundation.
However, its never too late for you get used to law subjects in your intermediate/first year.
So, just go ahead and take whatever subjects which you think you can score better. The grade is important.

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post Jul 11 2010, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(cybershaun @ Jul 11 2010, 04:11 AM)
Is anyone here doing the Reading programme at Taylor's?
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I am not doing reading twinning program at taylors, but, i might transfer to Reading this year.
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post Jul 11 2010, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Jul 11 2010, 12:49 PM)
erm...is university of reading a desirable place to study law?by going through the twinning programme at taylor's UC,how is the prospect of the graduates?
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As far as i know, University of Reading is quite ideal for law studies. I dont think going through which education institution that matters, ultimately, as long as you are Reading student and graduated with excellent result, no one cares where were you from. Since its a well established law school, i would think the graduates from this respective uni will be doing well prospectively. ( Of course, it differs from person to person, in addition, studying and practicing is two different stage).

Anyway, i have my heart on Cardiff.
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post Jul 11 2010, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(cybershaun @ Jul 11 2010, 08:16 PM)
Where are you studying now?
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I am currently in my second year at Brickfields Asia College.
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post Jul 11 2010, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(cybershaun @ Jul 11 2010, 10:00 PM)
Do Reading permit transfers if you didn't start off in their programme?  My understanding is, unless you're transferring from a college that already has a tranfer arrangement with a particular university, it is very difficult to transfer to second-year at English and Welsh universities.  Many English university Web sites flat out say they won't consider second-year entry.
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Yes, it is true as what you have said. Brickfields Asia College has now tied up partnership with Reading, Cardiff, Liverpool, Exeter(only 2nd yr entry), Northumbria, Herfordshire and Oxford Brookes. If i am not mistaken, there are few universities joining in too. I am not sure about that.

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QUOTE(cybershaun @ Jul 11 2010, 11:31 PM)
That's good news.  I wonder how Taylor's are taking in the fact that Reading are no longer exclusive to them.  Liverpool and Exeter must also be new additions to BAC's twinning partners.  Please keep us posted if and when more unis are added to the list.  How do you find studying at BAC?  How are the lecturers?  I'm not too keen on the location of the college and their facilities seem rather blah.
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Well, to be frank, studying in Brickfields doesnt give you much access to library. No campus life. Anyway, they have just bought another building and currently working on it. I believe facilities wise, they are improving. Still, i have a great time in Brickfields, the campus life is not whether you have all the facilities but the friends you are having, so, in the gist, i find life in Brickfields is really not bad.

Lecturer wise, their lecture team are overall a good one, in my opinion( its of course not everyone is good).
As in my first year, i dislike some lecturers, but for my second year, i have no complains. I have got all the experienced and good lecturers for all my 4 subjects. Especially Trust and Land, i like these subjects very much.

Hahaha, i think Taylors still triumphs the battle, as in their reputation with Reading has been good. Another possibility which i have not clarified is, maybe they need only overall a 50% to enter into Reading on the basis its a twinning partnership( No, the moment they registered with Taylors, they are registered under Reading as well, i suppose as long as they passed all 4 subjects, its fine). Whereas for us, in order to enter into Cardiff, Liverpool,Reading and Exeter, we need an average of 50% in first year and 60% in second year. Arghh, exams starting this July, hope i can at least maintain a 60%.
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post Jul 15 2010, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(stevelim90 @ Jul 14 2010, 10:12 PM)


Added on July 14, 2010, 10:36 pm
thanks for your information, the one who craps in lecture is Mr Baljeet, you might not know him, because he is new in BAC, any how, previously he taught UoL in Stamford college, he should not teach those non sense, not many people like him, as in our class has 80+ people, during his class, half of the people will disappear after break or not turn up, they rather study in home.


Added on July 14, 2010, 10:36 pmHey, I would like to know, if I get LPC in UK, and work as a solicitor over there few years, when I come back to Malaysia, do I need to take CLP? Bahasa Melayu is a MUST for CLP? Without it I can't practice law in M'sia?
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Haahaha, of course i know him. Neither do i, dislike him where he at times talks non sense.

He is the who conducted my Evidence Viva test. Though i fully prepared to even answer anything out of syllabus. He asked nonsense. As you know,our viva test will be graded by assessing our knowledge of course, structure and etc. That day, I have choosen hearsay as my topic and he asked me what is Criminal Justice Act 2003. He dont even want to listen to me on the definition of hearsay by academics. He wants us to be 'practical' so called.
True, I understand his intention of not letting us to memorise the answer but understanding prevails. Nonetheless, he should have realised our understanding is built up by those 'theoretical' materials.The way he asked us do not show any practicality of it either. My friend is even worst, where whatever he said was wrong for Mr Baljeet. In fact, those answer given by my friend is correct.

He wants me to crap something rather than telling the true story. Wonder how he even gives the grade when he didnt even test us in depth on what is the exceptions with no case illustration but merely some irrelevant question:" are you going to UK?, How do you think you cope with other subjects and etc....

Some of us, who didnt study, managed to secure an A. Unbelievable. He is the 'Legend' if you ask me.
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post Aug 6 2010, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(blu3_apple @ Aug 5 2010, 03:05 PM)
okay, now i have a few questions on the CLP in Malaysia.

as i know, there are only 2 providers; BAC and ATC.

alsree, i see you're very informed about universities.

I will be considering these 2 institutes and it's not a decision i can make immediately. need some advices here!

which one would you guys recommend. personally, ive been to the BAC lecture hall for CLP and it doesnt look very inviting to me. I mean I can't imagine myself attending lectures at that hall, maybe it's just me.

what about in terms of lecturers and modes of teaching ?

hope to get some feedback here. thanks very much
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Well, i think both institutes offer quite adequate CLP education eventhough BAC is quite well known with its track record.
However, in my view, it makes no difference as long as you are self disciplined.
In fact, though some would say BAC has better lecturers, I see the reasons why they did well is because they worked very hard.
BAC provides you with extensive course materials however, like even a sample Q&A, which those top students didnt really rely on.
So, choose whichever you feel comfort with....?
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post Aug 31 2010, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(i.love.eshopping @ Aug 31 2010, 01:47 PM)
i am thinking that whether i should doing my uk transfer degree programme (law) at BAC or any others like Help ...
so far i saw BAC offer me with the best price ...
but i doesn't know what is it for others colleges ....
which is more recommended ???
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Hey, from the aspect of price, obviously BAC offers the cheapest one as compared to Taylors,HELP,INTI and KDU.
I did my UK transfer with BAC and leaving to UK this September. It also provides you with quite a number of choices.
Currently, they have Aberyswyth, Cardiff, Hertfordshire, Oxford Brookes, Northumbria, Exeter, Liverpool and Reading in partnership with them.
If you are looking forward to transfer into Manchester or Leeds, you may want to choose HELP.
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post Sep 1 2010, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(i.love.eshopping @ Sep 1 2010, 01:04 AM)
i see smile.gif
i already signed up for the uk transfer course for this coming september intake smile.gif
wow ... so you are my senior ^^
how was your first two years in BAC ?  tough ? ? ?
i am worry that i can't catch up ...
anyway , thanks for your information .. good luck for your further studies in uk smile.gif
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I wouldnt say its a tough one. The most important thing is that you must attend the lectures.
No worries, im sure you will be having great time in BAC !

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post Sep 2 2010, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(chong93 @ Sep 1 2010, 11:14 PM)
bro may i know your study for DIPLOMA in LAW need how many thousand?

I means the whole study need how many thousand.
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Diploma in Law? Well, to be exact, the course i am taking is not Diploma in law but UK transfer degree.
Tentatively, it needs maybe about 32000 for two academic years locally.
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QUOTE(neuroneuster @ Dec 27 2010, 08:00 PM)
no so far. i have searched everywhere from google, bing to yahoo but still didnt manage to find any.
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I think, with regards to the role of judges in both of the countries are quite similar in which they both adopting adversarial system. Whereby the barristers/advocates and solicitors bear the burden to present the case and argue according based on their thought that is in the best interest of the party.


I came across in my reading in which it is stated that: A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. ~ H. L. Mencken

Humble view here, i would say Judges are nonetheless not one that even produced his examination papers but merely reiterate what is best justice by earing on each side of arguments presented by the barristers. Hence why, when there is no examination papers at the initial point, a judge cant be marking his own examination papers.

Unless by reiterating the arguments and added his two cents based on the fact is to be regarded as an 'examination papers'.

Hence, Judges didnt really take an active role in this sense.
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QUOTE(YanZ1990 @ Jan 11 2011, 05:31 PM)
Hi im new to this forum

does anyone know anything about Hong Kong Bar ?

do we get exemption from CLP after completing HongKong Bar ?

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Perhaps a glance on this site will give you a picture.

http://www.hkba.org/admission-pupillage/general/index.html
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QUOTE(YanZ1990 @ Jan 11 2011, 06:27 PM)
yes i have looked at it after u've mentioned. thanks

i dont think there is a problem i wanna do their PCLL(HK bar) and get admitted into their bar.

do i still have to take CLP of malaysia to practice in m'sia ?? or do I get an exemption hehe thx
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I heard its not easy to pursue their PCLL though.
I think, you'll still be required to sit for CLP and for this, you may need to consult Legal Profession Qualifying Board.
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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Jan 17 2011, 09:56 PM)
Both are recognisable by the Malaysian BAR. thats for sure. But I talked to my church lawyer, he says that some big firms do not recognise the London External UOL as well as Singapore firms ( if you plan to work there). In today's job market, I do not know if this is still practiced.
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Basically Singapore doesnt recognise any external, transfer or twinning program.

Nonetheless, UoL graduates are proved with its quality until now whereby it is not easy to pass, and those who have passed are well-trained.
For example, the syllabus that they are covering are almost 90% of that subject, whereas some of the foreign unis, and due to the credit hours system, only 50% are covered. They tend to cover more and might possess more knowledges in law. In UoL, they have commercial law that includes international trade. However, in Cardiff, we only have Sale of Goods and Agency' as a subject whereby 'international trade' is excluded.

In my opinion, i think UoL still has its reputation in the present job market.
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QUOTE(tracyjz @ Feb 17 2011, 10:34 AM)
hello, any help students here? i wish to transfer to cardiff at my 2nd year of law degree(from Help uni). What are the minimum requirements of first year? Do they require for Alevel result? I really need an informative answer. Thanks. smile.gifsmile.gif
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You'll need an average of minimum 50% in your first year only but I dont think they'll take A-levels result into account though:)

It is best that you reach Cardiff on time so that you wont be missing out any induction programs offered by them. Importantly, you will be required to sit for their English test during the first few days of the induction programs and if you failed to reach their expectation, you'll then be called to attend their English course.

Bear in mind for second year transfer, you'll have to take 5 subjects in order to fulfill 120credit hours as its compulsory to take Tort at 20credits. If you think you cant cope with 5 subjects, perhaps it'd be great for you to ask if the same applies to some other universities and have a comparison.

Good luck biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(lovejessica123 @ Apr 2 2011, 08:11 AM)
guys
wanna ask a question
im gonna study my foundation in Law at mmu this year
but is the degree provided in MMU recognized in Singapore??
considering to move to there when i graduate..
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I dont think Singapore actually recognised MMU law degree. They even dont take UM law degree. hahaha
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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Apr 3 2011, 05:58 AM)
Guys.. if I do the Legal Practice Course in the UK, must I do my CLP when I come home if I wanna practice as a lawyer?
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Yes, you will have to unless you secured a 2years training contract.


Added on April 4, 2011, 8:02 am
QUOTE(fivewinning @ Apr 3 2011, 09:50 AM)
Hi all, can i ask if an engineering graduate can become a lawyer? as i know there're countries where engineering graduate could switch to become something like patent attorney. we can do the same as well in malaysia? and how we can make it?
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I dont think so, i think u will still need a law degree in Malaysia.

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QUOTE(sexy93 @ Apr 5 2011, 10:41 AM)
i have a pretty dumb question to ask...

my parents ask me to take law but i don't even know ANYTHING about law...i only know about computers and engineering...but they say these days they pay is not good anymore... so yeaah..

is law hard? i dunno what course to take also..totally blur in this...

btw..im a spm leaver sad.gif
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Well, i find it rather difficult to label law as either tough or easy. I would say it is not as hard as you think as long as you have invested times and efforts, however, it is definitely not an easy one. Passing with law degree is rather common.However,if you're aiming a 2:1 or a very rare 1st class result, you'll need a good level of English + right attitude + breakthrough thinking.

It is axiomatic truth that language is the weapon of lawyers. Therefore, you're definitely be required to hit a level of competence in English. Not to a level of how the classic English literatures are being written, however, there must be no errors in grammar and sentence construction.Grammar helps you in expressing your view clearly and vocabulary assists you in understanding the law that equips you with a good level of expression too. Grammar will always be the base of your English, however, vocabulary shall not be disregarded so that you understand what is dictated by the fellow academicians and judges.

Keep yourself update on what is really going on, it would put you in a right position if you get to read the news everyday.
A book in a day makes you a better person. Knowlegde in general is very pivotal that will enhance your law study skills. This helps you in understanding the philosophy behind the law/ legal theory.

True, whatever laws or theories stated on the book/judgements are essential; However, if you dont get to apply it and try relating it to the real world out there, it makes no use just like a dog that didnt bark.Having input is important, it is more significant for a law student to make those inputs in correspondence in this reality.Independent thinking with breakthrough idea is the coin you must get yourself in possession. Simply, afterall it is a question about problem solving. There could be numerous ways in solving a problem. Thereby, there is a saying:" there is no right or wrong answer in law." The most concerned issue is which one makes more sense, more convincing and better.

Just my two cents. Good luck ! smile.gif

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