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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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QD_buyer
post Jul 23 2008, 10:35 PM

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ouh,how bout the fees?Izzit really expensive?
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post Jul 23 2008, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 23 2008, 10:35 PM)
ouh,how bout the fees?Izzit really expensive?
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The fees for London Unis will be higher than the rest. The same goes to other highly ranked Unis.
It will be better for you to check with specific institutions directly for a better estimate. A good start would be via their website or you can always wait for an education fair. If I am not mistaken, there will be a UK education fair this coming Nov.

http://www.britishcouncil.org/malaysia-edu...n-uk-exhibition


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post Jul 25 2008, 06:42 PM

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Say, if I have a J.D. from NYU/Yale/Harvard Law School and I wish to come back here and practice, what can I do? I know that a J.D. from the US is not recognized but I don't get what you said here:

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If the degree is not recognised by the LPQB or S3 LPA 1976 then the only option would be to be an English Barrister, English Solicitor or Irish Barrister(subject to changes to the recognition by the LPQB) if the degree is recognised by them.


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post Jul 25 2008, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(colloquial @ Jul 25 2008, 06:42 PM)
Say, if I have a J.D. from NYU/Yale/Harvard Law School and I wish to come back here and practice, what can I do? I know that a J.D. from the US is not recognized but I don't get what you said here:
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The legal profession in Malaysia is governed by the Legal Profession Act 1976. In order for you to be able to practise law locally, you must satisfy the academic stage, the practical stage and the formality stage. Once you have satisfied the academic stage, you will be considered as a qualified person under the Act so as to enable you to continue with your practical stage (pupillage). A qualified person is defined in Section 3 of the LPA 1976.

Therefore, you alternative would be to find ways to get your qualification recognised for purposes of the Act so as to make you a qualified person.

If you paper qualification (eg: JD) is not recognised, you will have to consider alternatives. The 3 exceptions quoted by you are qualifications recognised by the Qualifying Board so as to make them a qualified person under the Act. If your paper qualification is recognised by any of the governing bodies for the 3 exceptions quoted, then you may consider using that route so as to fall within the ambit of Section 3.

If you do not have a recognised paper qualification and you do not carry the title Barrister-at-law in England, Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Judicature England, or Barrister-at-law in Ireland, then you cannot proceed with the practical stage.

Because of this, you cannot be admitted to the High Court of Malaya or Sabah and Sarawak as an Advocate and Solicitor for failing to satisfy the requirements under the Act.

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post Jul 25 2008, 08:56 PM

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let say if I want to do LLB at UK la..(must be at uk though there are many good U's offer law locally biggrin.gif)

If I dont want to take STPM,can I do my A-Level/Foundation/Pre-u at UK?

How long is the period and how much estimated fees? biggrin.gif

btw,what is LL.D(Hons)? coz I saw that in my dad business card ,and what is the different with LL.B,oh btw my dad is a lawyer too he want me to take law course although i dont want to be a lawyer,he said there are many advantages of taking law is that true ah? biggrin.gif

sry for my stupidness coz im just a secondary school student but need to prepare from now,my dad asked me to ask from forumer coz he dunno the current education system biggrin.gif

thanks!

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post Jul 25 2008, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 25 2008, 08:56 PM)

If I dont want to take STPM,can I do my A-Level/Foundation/Pre-u at UK?

How long is the period and how much estimated fees? biggrin.gif
thanks!
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I am answering your question based on the assumption that you intend to practise law in Malaysia.

The most important issue that you should consider is the circumstances in which to make your LLB a recognised qualification for purposes of sitting for additional examinations as prescribed by the Qualifying Board so as to satisfy the academic stage and S3 LPA 1976 as a qualified person.

According to the Qualifying Board, they do not recognise foundations. Therefore, if you are considering a UK Pre-U, then the safest route would be an A-Levels qualification.

The normal period of study for an LLB in UK is for a duration of 3 years. The fees differ accordingly. I would advise you to seek further clarification with the specific institutions directly or via an agent in Malaysia.
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post Jul 25 2008, 09:11 PM

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btw,what is LL.D(Hons)? coz I saw that in my dad business card ,and what is the different with LL.B,oh btw my dad is a lawyer too he want me to take law course although i dont want to be a lawyer,he said there are many advantages of taking law is that true ah?

sry for my stupidness coz im just a secondary school student but need to prepare from now,my dad asked me to ask from forumer coz he dunno the current education system biggrin.gif

thanks!
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post Jul 25 2008, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 25 2008, 08:56 PM)

btw,what is  LL.D(Hons)? coz I saw that in my dad business card ,and what is the different with LL.B,oh btw my dad is a lawyer too he want me to take law course although i dont want to be a lawyer,he said there are many advantages of taking law is that true ah? biggrin.gif

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LLD = Legum Doctor or Legum Doctorate.
A Doctorate in Laws. Not all Unis label their Doctorate with LL.D. Some use phd and some use DPhil.
an LLB is a baccalaureus degree.

Taking law would in a way improve your analytical skills among other things. This is something that is open to discussion and tend to be subjective and at the same time circular.




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post Jul 25 2008, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 25 2008, 07:29 PM)
The legal profession in Malaysia is governed by the Legal Profession Act 1976. In order for you to be able to practise law locally, you must satisfy the academic stage, the practical stage and the formality stage. Once you have satisfied the academic stage, you will be considered as a qualified person under the Act so as to enable you to continue with your practical stage (pupillage). A qualified person is defined in Section 3 of the LPA 1976.

Therefore, you alternative would be to find ways to get your qualification recognised for purposes of the Act so as to make you a qualified person.

If you paper qualification (eg: JD) is not recognised, you will have to consider alternatives. The 3 exceptions quoted by you are qualifications recognised by the Qualifying Board so as to make them a qualified person under the Act. If your paper qualification is recognised by any of the governing bodies for the 3 exceptions quoted, then you may consider using that route so as to fall within the ambit of Section 3.

If you do not have a recognised paper qualification and you do not carry the title Barrister-at-law in England, Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Judicature England, or Barrister-at-law in Ireland, then you cannot proceed with the practical stage.

Because of this, you cannot be admitted to the High Court of Malaya or Sabah and Sarawak as an Advocate and Solicitor for failing to satisfy the requirements under the Act.
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So in order to qualify, I should apply for admissions to the bar in England/Wales/Ireland and if I get admitted, then apply for admissions here?

thank you so much for all your help! I've asked a few lawyers I know but since they got their LLBs from London/Australia so they don't really take note of these alternatives. Plus it's so funny how all of them told me not to read law.
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post Jul 25 2008, 09:21 PM

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ouh ok,

If do a-level at private college in London, UK,I heard its around 5k pound per term?

Per term means what eh?And what is "per unit" ? biggrin.gif

coz if 5k pound for full 18 month might be ok la,but if just like 1 semester like dat better do STPM here biggrin.gif

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post Jul 25 2008, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(colloquial @ Jul 25 2008, 09:18 PM)
So in order to qualify, I should apply for admissions to the bar in England/Wales/Ireland and if I get admitted, then apply for admissions here?

thank you so much for all your help! I've asked a few lawyers I know but since they got their LLBs from London/Australia so they don't really take note of these alternatives. Plus it's so funny how all of them told me not to read law.
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Things are rather uncertain these days with the proposal for the Common Bar Course in Malaysia and the Woods Report in England.
They are proposing to increase the entry requirement for the BVC and should a prospective student fail to achieve that standard, be compelled to sit for an aptitude test in order to determine if he or she is eligible. The BVC is a pre-requisite for someone to be called to the English Bar.

You will need to sit for an entrance examination in order to qualify for the Bar Course in Ireland at King's Inn. This is based on the assumption that they recognise your paper qualification.

Upon your return to Malaysia in the future should the Common Bar Course be implemented, you may be compelled to attend that course and sit for the exam before you will be eligible to practise in Malaysia.

At the moment, prior to any decision on its implementation, the position stands as described above.


Added on July 25, 2008, 9:24 pm
QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 25 2008, 09:21 PM)
ouh ok,

If do a-level at private college in London, UK,I heard its around 5k pound per term?

Per term means what eh?And what is "per unit" ? biggrin.gif

coz if 5k pound for full 18 month might be ok la,but if just like 1 semester like dat better  do STPM  here  biggrin.gif
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I do not know the prices and the terms used.




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post Jul 25 2008, 09:26 PM

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http://www.ashbournecollege.co.uk

izzit good? biggrin.gif

btw mr.schizophrenic,ur living in London rite ? biggrin.gif
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post Jul 25 2008, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 25 2008, 09:21 PM)
ouh ok,

If do a-level at private college in London, UK,I heard its around 5k pound per term?

Per term means what eh?And what is "per unit" ? biggrin.gif

coz if 5k pound for full 18 month might be ok la,but if just like 1 semester like dat better  do STPM  here  biggrin.gif
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I'll advise you to do your a-levels locally because it's just not worth doing a-levels in the uk. plus you can do it accelerated here. my friend is going to Concord College to do her As and I think that it's such a waste of money! (20,000 pounds a year)

QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 25 2008, 09:24 PM)
Things are rather uncertain these days with the proposal for the Common Bar Course in Malaysia and the Woods Report in England.
They are proposing to increase the entry requirement for the BVC and should a prospective student fail to achieve that standard, be compelled to sit for an aptitude test in order to determine if he or she is eligible. The BVC is a pre-requisite for someone to be called to the English Bar.

You will need to sit for an entrance examination in order to qualify for the Bar Course in Ireland at King's Inn. This is based on the assumption that they recognise your paper qualification.

Upon your return to Malaysia in the future should the Common Bar Course be implemented, you may be compelled to attend that course and sit for the exam before you will be eligible to practise in Malaysia.

At the moment, prior to any decision on its implementation, the position stands as described above.


Added on July 25, 2008, 9:24 pm

I do not know the prices and the terms used.
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if I decide to go to law school by the time I graduate it will be 2017? hopefully things will look better by then.
thanks again for all your help. smile.gif
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post Jul 25 2008, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 25 2008, 09:26 PM)
http://www.ashbournecollege.co.uk

izzit good? biggrin.gif

btw mr.schizophrenic,ur living in London rite ? biggrin.gif
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No comments on the college and No I am not living in London but I would like to.
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post Jul 26 2008, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 25 2008, 09:15 PM)
LLD = Legum Doctor or Legum Doctorate.
A Doctorate in Laws. Not all Unis label their Doctorate with LL.D. Some use phd and some use DPhil.
an LLB is a baccalaureus degree.
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In many unis, LLD is an honorary degree.
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post Jul 26 2008, 04:51 PM

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King's college seems the best place to study law at London eh? biggrin.gif
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post Jul 26 2008, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 26 2008, 04:51 PM)
King's college seems  the best place to study law at London eh? biggrin.gif
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It is among the top rated colleges in London to read law.


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post Jul 26 2008, 10:33 PM

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how bout the fees eh for 3 years?estimated la biggrin.gif

I guess for living expenses is not really a problem coz I will live with my uncle in london. biggrin.gif

erm the student visa,is it need to be renew every year? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Jul 26 2008, 10:33 PM)
how bout the fees eh for 3 years?estimated la biggrin.gif

I guess for living expenses is not really a problem coz I will live with my uncle in london. biggrin.gif

erm the student visa,is it need to be renew every year? biggrin.gif
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You just need to do a little bit of research and you'll get your questions answered. I'll help you with King's college this time but please refer to the specific institutions in future.

Course fees

Living expenses

The student visa will cover you for the duration of your course. You do not have to renew it every year.

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QUOTE(RBR @ Jul 23 2008, 08:01 PM)
If you can't even be bothered to do your own research as to which universities are good how do you expect to go to university let alone study law?

And no, its extremely difficult to get work in the UK as a foreigner.
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is true that is extremely difficult to get a job in uk if u happen to be a foreigner but it is not impossible if u own a cert from Uol or any other university in Uk..
Anyway, most of the ppl tend to find a job in malaysia and ask the company transfer them to UK.


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