why only 2 votes for Ottmar Hitzfeld?
he won 2 champions league..& played in 3 finals...
countless bundesliga title, domestic cup titles with Dortmund & Bayern..
Best manager of our time?, Best manager
Best manager of our time?, Best manager
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Dec 11 2008, 02:17 PM
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why only 2 votes for Ottmar Hitzfeld?
he won 2 champions league..& played in 3 finals... countless bundesliga title, domestic cup titles with Dortmund & Bayern.. |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(king_kenny @ Dec 11 2008, 02:17 PM) why only 2 votes for Ottmar Hitzfeld? Because he doesn't swear enough, talk enough, or make barmy decisions? he won 2 champions league..& played in 3 finals... countless bundesliga title, domestic cup titles with Dortmund & Bayern.. |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:10 PM
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Guus Hiddink....Mr. Miracle...with him on your side...90% you can do better then last time....
Guus Hiddink is a master of tactician....based on the team he has manage....he has turn them to giant killer team.... This post has been edited by leongtat: Dec 12 2008, 02:11 PM |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Dec 12 2008, 02:10 PM) Guus Hiddink....Mr. Miracle...with him on your side...90% you can do better then last time.... The funny thing about Hiddink is that he has yet to land a top job and win anything. He has worked wonders at PSV, Korea and Australia but for some reason, top sides (with the exception of Real Madrid) have eluded him.Guus Hiddink is a master of tactician....based on the team he has manage....he has turn them to giant killer team.... |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:41 PM
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Sometimes i wonder .. when is Sir Alex gonna quit ?
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Dec 12 2008, 03:25 PM
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the best manager in our time is B Sathiananthan
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Dec 12 2008, 03:56 PM
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Dec 12 2008, 05:21 PM
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Fergie comes out tops when it comes to trophies, without a doubt. The question is, does it come down to purely medals? We spoke about Guus Hiddink and how he took an average PSV side to the Champions League Quarter-Finals where they really should have beaten AC Milan. He also took South Korea to the World Cup semi-finals amidst much contravery and Australia to their very first World Cup Finals ever. If it comes down to trophies alone, only so many managers would qualify for this title because there are only so many top sides around.
The legendary Rinus Michels invented "Total Football" and his teams were a joy to watch but his tally of silverware pales in comparison to Ferguson. Bill Shankly took over a team languishing at the bottom of the old Second Division, with a crumbling stadium, poor training facilities and poor quality playing staff, and turned them into one of the most feared sides in Europe. Bob Paisley won 6 League Championships and 3 European Cups in just 9 years, surely a more impressive ratio is hard to come by? Another way of looking at it is to consider win percentages. This is of course also flawed as some managers may have started at pretty poor clubs while others like Kenny Dalglish start their careers at top clubs. Incidentally King Kenny had a 60% win record during his time at the helm of Liverpool. Anyway let us have a look at the win percentages of some of the names mentioned here: 1) Ferguson - 56.77% (57.93% @ Man Utd) 2) Paisley - 56.12% 3) Benitez - 56.98% (at Liverpool) 4) Wenger - 53.08% 5) Mourinho - 68.28% 6) Hitzfeld - 77.30% 7) Fabio Capello - 56.70% 8) Matt Busby - 52.38% *Stats courtesy of wikipedia I did go a little OT by including past managers but since some mentioned "best of all time" I thought I'd take that into consideration as well. Both Busby and Shankly built teams from nothing and I feel that should be taken into consideration. If you look at the list then, it seems Hitzfeld is by far the "winningest coach" despite having less silverware than Ferguson. |
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Dec 15 2008, 01:00 PM
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sir alex for sure...no doubt. he's brought devils to countless trophies and still counting...
and as for wenger, i dun think he's that good, because a team should consists of players that are young and old, to gain experience effectively...but look at his team, fabregas is already one of the veteran at 21....??? |
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Jan 7 2009, 05:40 AM
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Not Happy that there is not a mention of Brian Clough here.... hahahahah
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Jan 7 2009, 10:02 AM
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i think mourinho is way better than SAF on playing mind games
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Jan 7 2009, 01:35 PM
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agreed...we talk..and he really confident..in the future..he will be better than SAF..
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Jan 7 2009, 01:51 PM
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To measure the 'best' is a bit subjective.. best in what sense.. the best in terms of success? the best in motivating players? the best on spotting talent? the best in managing the youth players?
I might be branded biased.. but there must be a reason why the old man (Sir Alex) is still at the club for more than 20 years.. and also to count how many trophies he's won.. and oh, to make United from being the team that never won the league since 1968 to the dominant team in the 90s.. And people should never forget.. what he achieved when he was at Aberdeen.. breaking the glasgow stronghold... winning the old Cup Winners Cup against the might Real Madrid.. it is an achievement.. Successful wise, he's up there with the great Jock Stein and Bob Paisley.. Ironic though that these great managers (including Sir Matt and Bill Shankley) are all scottish.. Every manager is unique.. Sir Matt cheated death and rebuilded a team 10 years after cheating death to win the big fat pot.. Bill Shankley is the father of the Modern Liverpool, Bob Paisley made them a successful team in the 70s & 80s. I would dare to say they are great managers. |
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Jan 7 2009, 01:55 PM
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Bob Paisley - Past
SAF - Now Mourinho - Future |
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Jan 7 2009, 02:46 PM
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in football, hard to say who the best ...
if you judge by trophies, then some boh song fans will go find some fact and come out who with the most wins ... |
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Jan 7 2009, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Jan 7 2009, 02:46 PM) in football, hard to say who the best ... So, Duke is the boh song fans then? if you judge by trophies, then some boh song fans will go find some fact and come out who with the most wins ... but since it is a fact, why dun u accept it? the way u posted shows that u also boh song others disillusion you that the manager u like most isnt the best...lol |
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Jan 7 2009, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Jan 7 2009, 02:46 PM) in football, hard to say who the best ... You are always welcomed to back your opinions up. The term "best" as mentioned by schmeichel7 is subjective. I'm not sure if you're referring to me but if you scroll a few pages back, I did mention Alex Ferguson out of the options given to us. However my latest post is to state that he isn't the most winningest manager, which doesn't mean he isn't the best. Yes I bothered to do some research before posting and you have a right to question the validity of that research if you so wish. Again, it's an opinion. Why do we give opinions and try to back them up? So we can have a discussion and not come across as someone that votes based on pure biasness or heresay. It is always prudent to make informed decisions and keeping guesswork to the minimal.if you judge by trophies, then some boh song fans will go find some fact and come out who with the most wins ... |
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Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM
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The poll itself caused the confuse.
Thread Title : Best Manager Of Our Time Poll Title : Who Is The Best Manager 'EVER' Step 1 : www.google.com.my Step 2: Insert 'define:ever' in the box The result came out as below: EVER : at any time;at all times;always |
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