it applies to all mah...

yup, there goes another cantonese sayin (direct translation) sounds " if a cow doen't wish to drink water, u can't force it to lay it's head down".

this thread is not suitable for those hard headed or easily get taunted...

del bosque contract was not renew the next season due to the internal politics / rift inside the team / management.
okay, he won 4 international level competition and around 3 dometic title with real madrid but his success was done with a set of galacticos ; zidane, ronaldo, figo and some other highly talented players in the shape of makalele, hierro and geremi!
real madrid was never the same again without makalele!
he achieved none with besiktas which is consistently among the top 3 team in turkish' league and get the boot.
btw, he will be replacing aragones after the euro competition. let see how he fare

voted for my beloved manager, A.I.G

and here's an interesting article, but it's about top 10 foreign managers in BPL. enjoy the read.

LINK

I'm inclined to think that we should judge this based on reasoning and not purely by numbers. As it is Man Utd fans take great pride in having the most posts. Yes, I've actually seen posters going, "we have the more posts than any other club! yay!", without considering the quality of the posts. Suffice to say, Man Utd fans probably outnumber the rest and not all of them can be subjective. Thus, I find it ever so important that people are able to articulate their decisions and not just vote with no reason.

You really have no class. What's the point of belittling another teams achievements? Clueless ****....

I do admit that a certain facts from fellow reds might be a bit over...for instance Liv vs ?? in moscow...
but i believe those insulted people in the 1st place should bear more responsibilities of "NEVER GET ENOUGHT"

ATTENTION:

SPECIALLY FOR MODERATORS ESPECIALLY ALIEN2003

As for the post above by MADRealJL,I think it would be consider as Trolling, right?

And here's little info i get from Se7en whether slashing it off works off to avoid banning

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry18008132


I do hope some people wont act bias again...

and if this is not insulting and trolling...I dunno what is...

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Added on June 16, 2008, 7:57 pmwow...Thats insulting

anyway, some people did never get enough eh? in terms of being arrogant.

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Added on June 16, 2008, 7:59 pmFrom what I observed, some bad apples tend to call others as bad apples...
no offence...not u but someone who called somebody emotionally retardedops...hurt

This post has been edited by dream5518: Jun 16 2008, 07:59 PM

Agree with ya the whole way, thats why i voted for SAF too ...and its rather true what duke red says, there are plenty more Man Utd supporters than any other club in this forum, which includes me by the way So for SAF to get the highest votes is obvious, hope people justify why though. To me, the best manager serves the longest, wins the most trophies and has to have the special effect on fan's heart. There are many great managers out there, such as Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Rafa Benitez....but to me, there will always be one a cut above the rest, that is to say, Sir Alex Ferguson.

well, fite fire w/ fire will only makes things worse... my advice only is to ignore (or just push d button), but if u like to play w/ fire, then do njoy yaself but pls don't involve others. i really pity bro alien, everytime things like these happened, some (abu clans) are callin for his head. those who had post something not pleasent to d eyes of other should be responsible for what they did, not bro alien. he's not d only moderator in football lounge rite?

yup, that's what it takes to be d best.

This post has been edited by ah_khoo: Jun 17 2008, 09:04 AM

dude, just drop it la. Why cant u just ignore ? Is it so hard ? Does it kill u if u dont respond ?

If u want him to be banned, report to the mods, though the most they can do i think is to give warning first

to be honest i hardly look at the poll
same reason as u said


i like his philosophy anyway, sounds like "opponent score 3, we score 4"
is it his? i may be wrong

Just a word on the issue if I may.

I do not think dream5518 is calling for anyone to be banned here, which is likely why I'm assuming he hasn't hit the "report" button. I've always felt that some of the rules were a little anal and even rival posters like airmood can attest to that. The problem with having too many rules is that, there will be many complaints. It's like when you are giving a presentation. The more you talk, the more you invite questions, some of which you won't be able to answer. Why then open yourself to attack?

The issue has passed but you cannot expect it to be forgotten. Posters are more aware of the rules now and the punishment that comes along with infringing them because they have experienced it first hand. They are now only asking for consistency and I have to say, the onus is on the mods to ensure that they are fair and equal in their treatment. We ask for the same of referees in football, no? Rest assured that when equal treatment is dished out, the issue will come to a rest.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jun 17 2008, 12:22 PM

I'll add a little bit more to what Duke's trying to say. It would seem that the majority of the 'flaming' or 'anal' posts in here come from the Man Utd fans (which in a way is only to be expected as the majority of the posters here are Man Utd fans) but at times little or nothing seems to be done. They keep on posting the same snide 'oh we are the greatest' remarks here over and over again
I do not condone dream's vendetta but surely something needs to be done. To be honest, i noticed that not only the old liverpool regulars but also some of the other fans have been posting more and more infrequently, and perhaps the forum has suffered because of this.

May I suggest that perhaps we have a gentleman's agreement in the football lounge that ALL the moderators refrain from either being threadstarters or posting in the lounge for as long as they remain moderators?

uohh! my bad. i read about that philosophy before but can't remember from which manager already
very attacking minded indeed.

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Added on June 17, 2008, 12:04 pmbtw, guys, i am done with my choice; ferguson, lippi, ancelotti and traps on top.
and the likes of mourinho, capello, wenger, rafa and a few others are catching up.
their quality doesn't really differ much, any team will welcome them at anytime!
it's just the matter of how they keep the consistency / create a different winning team / win per team value and of course the number of trophies collected with their respecitve club; in domestic and international competition.
it's simple; you don't perform up to the mark, you get the boot!
.......even though real madrid should keep del bosque and makalele back then and chelsea keep the faith in mourinho.
but shit does happens!
wenger was among the longest serving manager in bpl. all he need now is winning the ucl.
49 unbeaten is indeed a great achievement for arsenal! so does mu's treble in 99, and the kopites own version of treble in 2001.
they're special in their own way.

This post has been edited by yngwie: Jun 17 2008, 12:07 PM

Duke, i didn't mentioned that he's callin for anyone to be banned, but he did sometimes target (whether directly or indirectly) bro alien whenever some utd misbehaved which is to me he's takin things abit personally (for alien is utd fans as well). as we all knew there's quite a big number of utd fans over here, so d probability of havin "bad apples" obviously is higher compared other clubs. d best way to treat these kinda ppl is either to report 'em or deal w/ 'em directly instead of insultin or tauntin d whole group of fans.

i dunno much bout d thing happened between bro alien & d one who he banned, i'm not askin all lfc fans here to forget that but isn't it abit unfair to call for his head everytime utd fans found postin "flamin" or "anal" post. he hold no responsibility for what those ppl did. personally i would prefer him to not be one of d moderator of football lounge as he himself is an utd (most hated club, be it becoz of d bad apples issue or d success d club had achieved) fans which will always get special attention of fans from other clubs.

i thought after d issue of "misbanned" (or whatever u call it) he'll step down as mod but he choosed to stay which i think is an act of man. u gotta give him credits for d guts he has as it's always more challengin to be mod and at d same time support manchester united.

Since you don't seem to know why a lot of anger has been directed his way, let me give you a summary.

- Punishment (bans) dealt out for infringing "flame baiting/trolling" rules were not meted out consistently.
- The rules seem to put decent but controversial posters at a disadvantage. We do visit one another's threads, let's face it. When a decent poster (e.g. Jonno/Mad Moz) puts up a decent argument that is not all positive to say Man Utd, some fans take it personally and hit the "report" button. I find it shameful that people with opinions get reported. It reminds me of the ISA.
- "Jonno" was also banned wrongfully (as the mods later admitted) but no apology was extended. To some, that may reflect insincerity.

Fairplay if you think we are being sensitive over the matter but it matters nonetheless.

well, for this i rest my case.

i thought alien already apologize to jonno. No ?

and i thought only the admin can ban ppl. No ? Mods can only report, right ?

Anyway, looks like we're going back to what happened sometime ago...

yeah.. it already stated that alien2003 (man utd fan) already discussed about jonno's case with TheWhacker (liv fan)
then they agreed to report him to the admin for a warning
but admin misunderstanding thus the ban happened

and about the apology, idk much about that