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leongtat
post Jun 5 2008, 05:29 PM

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No doubt walcott is improving...but how long does he need to take to develope?
3 or 4 more year?
a good player dun spent much of time on the bench....please dun consider the age here....
when he was signed ppl was expecting another wayne rooney....even me too...
yes he did do some mesmerizing run...but in my opinion he have to perform more...if he do success...i believe le arse will no filled up by bunch of foreigner...arsene wenger will put more trust on english player wif higher tag price...
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post Jun 5 2008, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(leongtat @ Jun 5 2008, 05:29 PM)
if he do success...i believe le arse will no filled up by bunch of foreigner...arsene wenger will put more trust on english player wif higher tag price...
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post Jun 5 2008, 05:33 PM

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Why TS put Rio Ferdinand in the poll? Why he is overrated? Because MU win consecutive BPL & this season UCL? What area did Rio Ferdinand overrated? Why John Terry, Carragher, Toure (oh wait, he's not English) not in the poll?
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post Jun 5 2008, 05:41 PM

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for sirnany...
what i mean here is....if walcott really blossom in arsenal...mr.wenger should put more trust on other english player with a higher price tag...
coz wenger policy for not buying english player with high price tag...
sorry for my noob english thou...make u confuse a bit...
anyway yeah he is man united hater....come into man united hugging his 49match unbeaten run+ manunited end that run trophy and merepek there..
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post Jun 5 2008, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(sirnanzy @ Jun 5 2008, 05:34 PM)
MU hater? lol
hahaha... that's what i thought. too many names on the list should not be there. dun put based on personal preference. established player like Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Owen are not overrated. haih... TS is Arse fans, that's why he create this topic coz not many English player played there.
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post Jun 5 2008, 05:51 PM

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i think we better rate the player not the team right here which could start a flame war. For me all english players are overrated as the media in UK always do mention about them. D.Bent for 16M, Rio for 30M, Carrick 16M, all these crazy price tag actually certainly overprice doesn't mean overrated..
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QUOTE(zickey @ Jun 5 2008, 05:51 PM)
i think we better rate the player not the team right here which could start a flame war. For me all english players are overrated as the media in UK always do mention about them. D.Bent for 16M, Rio for 30M, Carrick 16M, all these crazy price tag actually certainly overprice doesn't mean overrated..
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i think overrated means by people's perception and by publicity..
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i think overrated means by people's perception and by publicity..


finally some1 said this,one of true meaning of overrated here...probably the best definition to it
page 1 - 3...i dont know why liv,arsenal,mu,barcelona etc etc clubs are involved
all debating arguing off topic issues

honestly..those that has been watching football for years
the perception of football has been changing over time......it goes up n up n up n up....nv goes down
if we talk about england players that is overrated....
in sense of price,for sure its Darren Bent top my list
Publicity?
Perception?high expectations?...its for sure youngsters of england has a high expectations,high perception of quality players(walcott perhaps?) thus some may take it as overrated youngsters,when they dont see the youngsters succeed quickly
i dont think barry/cole/carrick is overrated....
if the 6+5 or whatever policy is implemented.... price of england players especially the 1st eleven might go up,all clubs will then start to practise hard to sell own nationality players

u guys ask yourself 1st,what do you mean by overrated in your mind...before start debating off topic issues,keep your clubs to yourself sweat.gif

if you ask me....i prefer to say the salary of certain footballers is overrated
certain footballers really earn insanely disgusting money if you ask me, and yet some of them still can go bangkrupt.... notworthy.gif

david beckham.. some may say:pop star of british football?
even at his age,look how much is he earning at the galaxy club..how much US clubs are willing to pay rclxub.gif
im not saying bekcham is not a good player....but he is just doing what a middfielder is currently doing
nothing,and he earns a bomb
darren bent is earnning a bomb,rotting at bench
how fun is his life in sense of earnning money..

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QUOTE(zickey @ Jun 5 2008, 05:51 PM)
i think we better rate the player not the team right here which could start a flame war. For me all english players are overrated as the media in UK always do mention about them. D.Bent for 16M, Rio for 30M, Carrick 16M, all these crazy price tag actually certainly overprice doesn't mean overrated..
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Well said, from the replies here its so obvious that people are judging from the team they support. Title kinda misleading tho, I thot players in BPL not English players. Nevertheless, Stevie G, Rio, John Terry, Lampard, Rooney,Cole, Becks, Owen were never overrated. I guess the poll consists too many England regular starter. They are many other English players that overpaid yet under perform hmm.gif
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Uh, I think thats called overpaid. So if Darren Bent hasnt got any ability, do you think the Spurs would have signed him in the first place?

AND by overrating it means you are overestimating the ability of one player to actually perform on the pitch, not the amount of money he receives to play on the pitch.
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QUOTE(JuNz-V @ Jun 5 2008, 05:56 PM)
i think overrated means by people's perception and by publicity..
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Finally someone came up and said it. rclxms.gif

True meaning of overrated, not true ? The best so far notworthy.gif


Added on June 5, 2008, 6:50 pm
QUOTE(sirnanzy @ Jun 5 2008, 06:47 PM)
Uh, I think thats called  overpaid. So if Darren Bent hasnt got any ability, do you think the Spurs would have signed him in the first place?

AND by overrating it means you are overestimating the ability of one player to actually perform on the pitch, not the amount of money he receives to play on the pitch.
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Take it this way - The team overrate the player, hoping he'll do magic for the team, thus paying him high salary, so it causes overpaid. Overrated leads to overpaid when the player doesnt deliver. Haha sorry for my babbling laugh.gif

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uh the team overpays the player, hence leading to high expectations or OVERESTIMATION of the player's ability (after all pay alot sure geng la), when the player doesnt perform, that leads to people calling that certain player overrated. get it?

how does a team actually overrates a player? in Darren Bents case he was scoring his socks off for Charlton before moving on, so did the club overrate him?he earned his current contract for his performance in the season before, therefore you couldnt say the club actually overrated his ability, because he justified that ability and thats why they signed him to that large contract.

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Tottenham bought him for 16m to warm the bench?
Absolutely overrated. smile.gif
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post Jun 5 2008, 07:10 PM

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Uh, I think thats called overpaid. So if Darren Bent hasnt got any ability, do you think the Spurs would have signed him in the first place?


i dont know, maybe you ask spurs?
why is he rotting at the bench instead of playing regularly at every match
and for them to pay 16m pounds for him..i suppose they had gone through the perception stage..perceiving that is he a good player....thus willing to pay that sum of money for him
but in the end,not using him

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Uh can i not repeat what I just said? What you think the Spurs plucked Darren Bent randomly from somewhere and paid a 16 million transfer fee for him?


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Most overrated footballers in England? - Ashley Cole.

TS, you can edit the title by editing the first post. wink.gif
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post Jun 5 2008, 07:32 PM

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maybe bent will become great asset after 2-3 seasons.. remember rio.. 30M but i dont think he impress in first two season..
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Ashley cole...~~After transfer to Chelsea, din hear him that much already...less attention on him from media than his time at Arsenal...
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United fans really seem to be taking this personally aren't they, can't say I expected anything more from them but hey.

As for Walcott, take into consideration that he is only 19. He hasn't been overrated by anyone either, everyone has been voicing their disappointment with his development. The reason for that is because he burst into the media spotlight after a big money move and an international call up before even kicking a premiership ball.

This season he has been eased into the side with sub appearances and the occasional start. Towards the end of the season he has begun to show some originality in his play, he no longer just pushes the ball and runs. He has a much more measured approach and one thing that everyone has to admit is that he is a natural finisher. Put him in a one on one situation and he will score for you.

Name me a English player who is 19 and better than Theo at the moment. As for your argument that he does not play enough to be taken seriously, I ask you how many players that age start for a top four side in England, Spain, Italy etc. Wenger does not want to rush him in and neither would any top manager.

The reason that Wenger doesn't buy English player is because an average English player would cost £15 million upwards and a good English player would cost £30 million upwards. For example, if Nasri were English he would cost double what he cost now. Look at it this way, Wenger built his entire squad for less than the amount United paid for one Wayne Rooney. He doesn't sign English players not because he doesn't trust them but because they are overpriced.


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QUOTE(disco333 @ Jun 5 2008, 07:37 PM)
United fans really seem to be taking this personally aren't they, can't say I expected anything more from them but hey.

As for Walcott, take into consideration that he is only 19. He hasn't been overrated by anyone either, everyone has been voicing their disappointment with his development. The reason for that is because he burst into the media spotlight after a big money move and an international call up before even kicking a premiership ball.

This season he has been eased into the side with sub appearances and the occasional start. Towards the end of the season he has begun to show some originality in his play, he no longer just pushes the ball and runs. He has a much more measured approach and one thing that everyone has to admit is that he is a natural finisher. Put him in a one on one situation and he will score for you.

Name me a English player who is 19 and better than Theo at the moment. As for your argument that he does not play enough to be taken seriously, I ask you how many players that age start for a top four side in England, Spain, Italy etc. Wenger does not want to rush him in and neither would any top manager.

The reason that Wenger doesn't buy English player is because an average English player would cost £15 million upwards and a good English player would cost £30 million upwards. For example, if Nasri were English he would cost double what he cost now. Look at it this way, Wenger built his entire squad for less than the amount United paid for one Wayne Rooney. He doesn't sign English players not because he doesn't trust them but because they are overpriced.
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They are just being bitter..Ignore...Dun start any war...
If u guys are to get Ramsey, years later, they will say Ramsey overated even though they are one of the bidders...
That's what they called Torres(spanish girl) after failed to sign him... laugh.gif

Get used to it man.. tongue.gif

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