Owhhhhhhhhh.....
Really?
btw, thanks for all the jokes ya...You make my day...

yeah glad you enjoyed it, after all its all about having fun, glad i MADE your day

You are still avoiding the point. I asked to name an English player born in 1989 or after who is better than Walcott and you couldn't.

This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 5 2008, 08:21 PM

bro,chill lar..why so emo?
if im wrong..please slowly explain to me
maybe i misunderstand of misinterpret your post
but need or not call me retard n so?
in fact in apologize for missing out your post
well suite yourself...


i tell you what i understand from this post
how does a team actually overrates a player? in Darren Bents case he was scoring his socks off for Charlton before moving on, so did the club overrate him?he earned his current contract for his performance in the season before, therefore you couldnt say the club actually overrated his ability, because he justified that ability and thats why they signed him to that large contract

Darren Bents case he was scoring his socks off for Charlton before moving on - okay so what if he was doing good at charlton, is it for sure he would play good football at spurs?( my key point)
its like trying to say a player play good football at division 1, but would they play good football at BPL?

he earned his current contract for his performance in the season before, therefore you couldnt say the club actually overrated his ability - yes,like i said..he is playing very good at that moment,but failing to rate if he would be good for another club would be an error?maybe im wrong..if so,u could enlighten me...i would really appreciate if u would not use harsh remarks like retard or other words...

so my point is...it falls under decision making error...
which i study at marketing(sorry that i bring out this theory i learned,just to relate it) positive false error
which means. what seems to be good turn out to be bad in the end..and its considered as a decision error
and this decision error goes through the perception stage...which i think perception has something to do with the overrating thingy

and again..if i understand/explain things wrongly...you need not bang me out nicely...
did i offend u or something?chill lar

glad THAT u made my day..
Better discuss back what the thread meant to be...later O.T kena banhammer...

I think the votes on Rooney are not because he is overrated but are due to the fact that he has a hot gf that most of us dun have...

This post has been edited by Jason_T: Jun 5 2008, 08:23 PM

Look it's very complicated with strikers. Unlike defenders or midfielders, it is very tough for a striker to create something all by himself.

A good defender in one team will most likely be able to reproduce his excellent form in another team, because to be a good defender you rely mostly on yourself. Your ability to tackle, good clearances, strong in aerial challenges etc.

A good midfielder in one team will also be able to reproduce his excellent form in another team easily, because it MOSTLY relies on yourself. Wingers who rely on their pace can easily bring that pace into another team, central midfielders can continue to do their job (tracking back, keeping possession, excellent passing) etc.

It is a completely different story for strikers. Different strikers play differently. Exceptional ones like Ruud van Nistelrooy (Top scorer in 3 different leagues) can reproduce their scoring exploits easily. Others tend to fade away despite scoring numerous goals before their transfer. This is because strikers need excellent support from the midfield as well. If you have players who are good passers of the ball (Fabregas, Ballack, Carrick, Scholes), your job as a striker will be much easier as you will be provided with plenty of opportunities to score. Take a look at Adebayor (great support from the Arsenal midfield) or even better Fernando Torres (great support from Steven Gerrard amongst others).

If you look at the Spurs midfield, Jenas, Huddlestone, Aaron Lennon, these are guys who can make a striker's life very easy. Yet Berbatov scores easily, not Bent. Why? Maybe Berbatov has that natural killer instinct that Bent doesn't. We will never know for sure. Does that make him overrated? It depends.

Overrated players are players who everytime they take to the pitch, you immediately think "Alright! We are gonna see something good from him!" yet he constantly disappoints you time after time.

Does having a big transfer fee and getting a big paycheck equal overrated? Hell no. Clubs are not stupid, obviously they think this player is gonna do them something good, why else would they spend money?

But like everything else, things do go wrong sometimes. Andriv Schevchenko is a prime example.

U said a player that was 19 and technically Micah Richards is still 19

@ Quick: I wasnt talking bout you, but its a thing of the past now time to move on

andd ashley cole's wife is damn hot also la

he is overpriced, not overrated.. same cases like darren bent
no one said spurs will go to ucl because of bent, its because they spend much and formed a good team
for carrick, many united fans feel that he is worth the money
04/05 and 05/06 season.. carrick is still at spurs and they look like challenging for ucl.. united look like will never got near to chelsea when got beaten 3-0
then carrick comes to united.. spurs look declining while united win 2 bpl and 1 ucl trophy.. u cant ask more rite?

edit: sorry for just keep repeating the issue.. i left my pc about 4 pm then just now saw ur post straight reply

This post has been edited by MADReaLJL: Jun 5 2008, 08:30 PM

aite okay..i thought u were banging me didnt know u were having war of words with another guy...my mistake again, paiseh

So you say that Richards is better than Walcott even though one is an attacker and the other is a defender. How exactly do you compare two players who play in different positions?

lol, joke of a thread. now is this abt walcott vs richards or overrated eng players? richards is good in his place and theo is great in his place. conclusion, they both good in their own ways. of coz, i am gonna be biased and go for theo. but theo is good.

Before I go on, yes I realise you said ENGLISH player, but I'm going to give a different perspective as to why Theo Walcott is overrated when compared to foreign players.

Bojan Krkic - born in 1990, he was starting for Barcelona in the Champions League while still aged 17+ and is consistently playing in the first team.

Pato - born in 1989, Milan were so impressed by his talent that they ensured all their youth matches were played behind closed doors to avoid scouts coming after him.

Those are current players, let's take a look at some other older players.

Cesc Fabregas - At the age of 16+ he was already making first team appearances for the Arsenal first time in the EPL. The rest is history.

Lionel Messi - At the age of 17+ he made his La Liga debut. Again the rest is history.

Wayne Rooney - 5 days before his 17th birthday, he made his debut for Everton and was consistently in the first team.

These are just a handful of players who have started and/or played consistently for their clubs at the highest level. Theo Walcott even at 19 has failed to make as significant an impact as any of the players mentioned above.

The thing is, at the age of 19, there are players who already have been very impressive. Some are already guaranteed a place in the starting 11.

Yet Theo Walcott time after time fails to even make the first eleven of Arsenal. So yes, he is lagging behind in terms of 'development'. Who's fault is it? No one knows.

Basically, there are two players who are the same age or younger than Walcott who are preforming better at this moment and time. Not too bad is it,

As for the other players, there are exceptional talents. There are very few like them, to say that Walcott is lagging behind is far off the mark as he is far better off than 95% of 19 year old footballers in the world today. He is a developing player and is beginning to live up to his potential.

good point there
i want to add another

Pele - At the age of 17+ he already win WC,no one can beat this history

Ronaldo also win WC1994 at 17 but he not playing at all,just go to US and watch his teammate from the bench

Of course he is better than 95% of 19 year olds in the world, but does that matter? He still hasn't been able to nail down a place in Arsenal's starting lineup. There are many good 19 year olds playing in top level football that are consistently playing in the starting 11. Until Walcott is able to do so, I'm afraid he still has much to be desired.

While I'm a Manchester United fan, I do enjoy watching Theo Walcott play, and for his sake I hope he does nail down a starting place in Arsenal. Prior to Arsenal vs United at Emirates, Theo Walcott was doing quite well when he was used as a substitute, in fact it was him who resulted in Arsenal winning those few games. And I nearly s*** myself when he came on in that match, because I know what he is capable of.

To be honest I do not know what's holding him back. He has good pace, excellent dribbling skills, his 'killer' pass is very good (The way he picked out Adebayor vs Liverpool in the UCL), he can shoot with both feet (Goal from outside the box with his left foot at Birmingham). I haven't seen enough of him to know what's holding him back.

Jason_T : Why all debate will result to dissing Man Utd one bro ? Come on la, rest it aite ? Peace

Anyway, chill people, let's have a healthy discussion aite. Dont start a flame war

For Theo Walcott, overrated or not, he's one good player, I do enjoy watching him play, his fast, he has good vision for passing, shooting, still a lot of room for improvement, but if he work hard, and stay in Arsenal, for sure he'll be one of best starting 11.

people say walcott is overrated because the hype about him starting from wc2006
we all know he is good
just his performance in the pitch doesnt live up to his hype.. i just see a kick and run football by him.. his dribbling need to be polished.. he reminds me of lennon.. still hasnt book is place to arsenal starting 11
is he overrated? yeah.. but he is a good player.. no doubt
he just need to keep improving.. after 3 or 4 years england will see the true walcott.. hope he wont disappoints the 3 lions

This post has been edited by MADReaLJL: Jun 5 2008, 08:59 PM

In my opinion, what is holding him back as you say is where he is used by Wenger. As a winger he can use his pace to beat players and thus develop confidence in his game. Wenger has said in the past that when he feels Walcott is ready, he will play him upfront. Next season, he might see Walcott played as a foward and that is when we can truly judge him. Of course he won't start because they are more accomplished players at the club but with decent performances he will get his chance.

He is a great finisher and has unbelievable pace, add to that the fact that he has a great touch and awareness he could be made into a super striker. As I have said countless times before, he is only 19 and has plenty of time to improve and if the end of last season is anything to go by then he is ready to step up.

I still remember the first time I watched Theo Walcott play was during the 2006 UEFA Under 21 Qualifiers. Only 17, he came off the bench and scored 2 goals exactly like Thierry Henry. This year in the Under 21 match against Ireland he scored a goal by curling it into the far post, just like Thierry Henry. I noticed he's mostly used as a striker for country. In Arsenal if he does come on he plays as a winger.

I guess you're right, once Wenger starts to play him as a striker, he will show his true colours.

Yup, those two goals were against Germany and they were very Henry like....