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post Jun 5 2008, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Jun 5 2008, 04:10 PM)
Are you f***ing kidding me? Michael Carrick overrated?

Do you even know how to watch football?

Ashley Cole might be hated, but he's not entirely overrated. As a Man United fan, I can tell you that 9 times out of 10 Cristiano Ronaldo CANNOT dribble past Ashley Cole. That's why during the UCL final, they played Ronaldo against Essien knowing that it's tough to get past Ashley Cole. And it paid off quite well in the first half until Ronaldo failed to track Essien which led to the goal by Lampard.

But seriously...Michael Carrick overrated? You've got to be kidding me.

Just because Carrick doesn't do flashy dribbling moves, or he doesn't score very often doesn't mean he's overrated. If you have any footballing sense at all, you will realise just how important Carrick is to Manchester United.

Do you ever notice how Carrick always tracks back to help his defenders? Do you ever notice how he always wins the ball in midfield? Have you ever seen how brilliant his passing can be?

I doubt you do, people with no footballing sense like you talk as if you're a football expert. Have you seen his stellar display versus Columbia in the 2006 World Cup? Many  England pundits are at lost as to why Carrick is not being selected.

Open up your eyes man, and don't say stupid things.
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dude, no need to react like this.. sweat.gif

for A.Cole, i do think he's overrated since his transfer from Arsenal to Chelsea. he perform much better then (just my personal opinion, chelsea fans can give better judgement since they watch him more).

for carrick, overprice, yes...overrated, no. this thread is about overrated, not overprice. i personally think players like gerrard, rooney and lampard are overrated during international. they just cant bring their club form to international.
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QUOTE(yngwie @ Jun 5 2008, 04:26 PM)
liverpool was once overrated, that was when they're the king of europe.
then it was notthingham forest. and chelsea under jose mourinho...is it?  whistling.gif
in between chelsea, there is mu  whistling.gif
how about the over-performing arsenal with less result to show? brows.gif

conclusion, any english team that had conquered the bpl and europe over and over (minus chelsea)
are overrated, huh??  laugh.gif
btw, at the rate mu is going, it's only a matter of time before they catch up with the rest.

of the list above, ashley cole is overrated.
but bent and barry should make it to the list.
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What do you mean by "It's only a matter of time before they (MU) catch up with the rest"?

I don't see how you can say Ashley Cole is overrated, refer to my post above. Even though I'm a Man United fan, I dare to say that Ashley Cole is an excellent left back.

Many have praised him for successfully shutting down Cristiano Ronaldo over the past few years. Like I said, 9 times out of 10, even Cristiano Ronaldo cannot dribble past Ashley Cole. So care to explain why is he overrated?

And what's the deal with Gareth Barry? He is good, simple as that. I remember watching England vs Russia at Wembley and Gareth Barry played superbly well. He has done exceptionally well for Aston Villa, played well for England, so how the hell can he be overrated? Did you watch England vs USA? He came on as a substitute and his first touch was to deliver a great pass for Steven Gerrard to score.

Care to explain?
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post Jun 5 2008, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Jun 5 2008, 04:10 PM)
Are you f***ing kidding me? Michael Carrick overrated?

Do you even know how to watch football?

Ashley Cole might be hated, but he's not entirely overrated. As a Man United fan, I can tell you that 9 times out of 10 Cristiano Ronaldo CANNOT dribble past Ashley Cole. That's why during the UCL final, they played Ronaldo against Essien knowing that it's tough to get past Ashley Cole. And it paid off quite well in the first half until Ronaldo failed to track Essien which led to the goal by Lampard.

But seriously...Michael Carrick overrated? You've got to be kidding me.

Just because Carrick doesn't do flashy dribbling moves, or he doesn't score very often doesn't mean he's overrated. If you have any footballing sense at all, you will realise just how important Carrick is to Manchester United.

Do you ever notice how Carrick always tracks back to help his defenders? Do you ever notice how he always wins the ball in midfield? Have you ever seen how brilliant his passing can be?

I doubt you do, people with no footballing sense like you talk as if you're a football expert. Have you seen his stellar display versus Columbia in the 2006 World Cup? Many  England pundits are at lost as to why Carrick is not being selected.

Open up your eyes man, and don't say stupid things.
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menstrual period i guess? why you getting all cooked up? can see the big ? or maybe he didnt put it big enough
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post Jun 5 2008, 04:42 PM

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Ashley Cole did so much better at Arsenal. The football there allowed him to push forward more often and showed his flair as a attacking left back. Piss poor move career-wise, but I'm sure he and Cheryl will argue that the move to Chelsea is paying their bills.
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jun 5 2008, 04:37 PM)
dude, no need to react like this..  sweat.gif

for A.Cole, i do think he's overrated since his transfer from Arsenal to Chelsea. he perform much better then (just my personal opinion, chelsea fans can give better judgement since they watch him more).

for carrick, overprice, yes...overrated, no. this thread is about overrated, not overprice. i personally think players like gerrard, rooney and lampard are overrated during international. they just cant bring their club form to international.
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I think the reason Rooney doesn't perform as well during International matches is because England's midfield usually under performs. In Manchester United he has a great midfield behind him, but it's just not the same in England. Gerrard and Lampard simply cannot play together in international matches.

Kinda like how people say Ballack and Lampard cannot play together in Chelsea's midfield. It's a fact that Ballack scores more when Lampard is not playing and vice versa, looks like having 2 excellent players does not always equal success if they can't play with each other.

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post Jun 5 2008, 04:45 PM

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If one player can only perform well against a certain player, but somehow tend to suck against the rest, and considering how highly touted he once was, if you dont call that overrated, i rest my case.

AND, have you seen Laurent Robert play? wow he's brilliant in say 2 out of 10 matches, so he's an all time great already?

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QUOTE(sirnanzy @ Jun 5 2008, 04:45 PM)
If one player can only perform well against a certain player, but somehow tend to suck against the rest, and considering how highly touted he once was, if you dont call that overrated, i rest my case.

AND, have you seen Laurent Robert play? wow he's brilliant in say 2 out of 10 matches, so he's an all time great already?
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You first paragraph refers to Ashley Cole?
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 5 2008, 01:58 PM)
yeah they are overated by many Asian,many ppl believe MU is the great/best team in the world but MU is not in top 5 succesfull club in Europe (according to UEFA Champions League record) and even they still behind Liverpool in EPL title

just go to China and ask 100 ppl which club is the best in the world and i bet 90 of them answer MU
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China is due to marketing strategy by having Dong Fang Zhou in the team laugh.gif
being successful besides getting trophy is also a credit for the team..
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Jun 5 2008, 04:48 PM)
You first paragraph refers to Ashley Cole?
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No, I was talking about George Best, =.=
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post Jun 5 2008, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 5 2008, 02:56 PM)
One last thing; I think you'll find that a lot of people are saying our win in Istanbul was lucky and that AC Milan deserved to win. Don't make it out as though the whole world is against you. Ask anyone to see if I'm right about what I said.
Liverpool deserve to win la bro even i support Milan in the final,not many team cant win after 0-3 but Liver`s spirit and Rafa genius tactic make they deserve to lift the cup

QUOTE(verx @ Jun 5 2008, 04:31 PM)
So are Barcelona overrated then judging from the fact that their record in Europe is piss poor as well?

Man Utd this season are the best team in Europe. There's no two ways about it. But before any MU fan gets too cocky about it let me say that things can change pretty quickly in football.
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lolz,here also want to continue Barca - Madrid,we in English overrate discussion thread la bro,if u really interested discuss about Barca=overated just go and open Most overrated football in Spain thread
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post Jun 5 2008, 04:55 PM

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haha another disco333 thread which is think is le arse team alwiz the best....
y there is no arsenal player?
only 2 reason.
1. no english player
2. only theo walcott....which is most overrated in my opinion...
so many year but stil make little impact to the team...even wenger says that...even gallas the "marvellous" captain admit he is easy to predict...
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 5 2008, 04:54 PM)
Liverpool deserve to win la bro even i support Milan in the final,not many team cant win after 0-3 but Liver`s spirit and Rafa genius tactic make they deserve to lift the cup
lolz,here also want to continue Barca - Madrid,we in English overrate discussion thread la bro,if u really interested discuss about Barca=overated just go and open Most overrated football in Spain thread
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You didn't answer my question. I wasn't trying to incite any Barca-Madrid rivalry. I'm just saying based on what you said the same would apply to Barca wouldn't it?

All I'm trying to imply is that the way you judge Man Utd as overrated is ridiculous.

At least learn how to comprehend what I'm saying before replying back to me.

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seriously what do you expect from an 18 year old? win the BPL and the UCL single handedly?
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QUOTE(verx @ Jun 5 2008, 04:56 PM)
You didn't answer my question. I wasn't trying to incite any Barca-Madrid rivalry. I'm just saying based on what you said the same would apply to Barca wouldn't it?

All I'm trying to imply is that the way you judge Man Utd as overrated is ridiculous.

At least learn how to comprehend what I'm saying before replying back to me.
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I don't see how what you have said has anything to do with Barca-Madrid rivalry. Nothing close at all.

And to say the way he judges Man United as overrated is ridiculous is like calling Sean Kingston fat - a severe understatement


Added on June 5, 2008, 5:01 pmI feel sorry for Theo Walcott.

Because Arsenal lost to Liverpool in the Champions League, many have forgotten his great run that led to Adebayor's goal.

I look forward to seeing Theo Walcott produce some magic, though I think that might take a while

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post Jun 5 2008, 05:03 PM

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Like Ashley Cole, its hard to remember Theo Walcott play 1 excellent game when he plays like crap in the other 9 games
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QUOTE(sirnanzy @ Jun 5 2008, 05:03 PM)
Like Ashley Cole, its hard to remember Theo Walcott play 1 excellent game when he plays like crap in the other 9 games
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You have a good point, playing good in one game is not enough, consistency is important as well.


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He scored a brace against Birmingham but the game ended up 2-2, with Eduardo's injury and Gallas' crybaby stunt at the centre circle taking up all the headlines. Then when he produces a moment of magic against Liverpool and basically lays it on the plate for Adebayor to score, they lose. Pity really.
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Walcott, he's improving but he'll need time to be England's regular starter.
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Jun 5 2008, 05:00 PM)
I don't see how what you have said has anything to do with Barca-Madrid rivalry. Nothing close at all.

And to say the way he judges Man United as overrated is ridiculous is like calling Sean Kingston fat - a severe understatement
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Exactly. And that understatement was done on purpose. I could have used a more appropriate word but I didn't want to insult the poor guy any further.
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England you say? he'd do well to get into the starting rotation on the Arsenal squad for starters let alone think about England.

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