haih... so nice..
after hear the TOY as computer speaker.. i really give up on my current desktop speaker.
lol
never expected that philips aurillium + toy can sound that good.
i always blame my sound card. but now i think it's aego m that is the bottle neck...

lol. i know.

can have sound. but don't expect more of the control.

well . the point is. even you use 25 watt. you can reach to a very loud volume. but a lot of things will be mess up. like attack of the bass will seems to slow down. transient respond of the speaker, micro dynamics which will greatly effects the reflected sound reproduction, and all in all might decrease the information you can get from your speaker.
if you need the amp just for an easy listening. then you can go ahead and use it. i believe it can be driven to a quite loud volume.

however, if your main target is for easy listening. and might spend a really long time before your amp upgrade. i will suggest you to go for cheaper speaker and spend the rest of the budget to get a acceptable amp. imho this way u can get BETTER outcome from the same budget.
but if you are going to upgrade soon or later. then u can try to use the 25 watt in the first place.and then upgrade later on

i am using NAD 3020A 25 watt integrated for quite sometime for my concertino which is rated at 89db. and it can reach very loud volume too. but again, the watt isn't refers to the maximum volume ur speaker can achieve because my listening experience i barely even goes through 10 watt / 15 watt according to the LED wattage indicator on the NAD itself. unless the volume is loud and there's a huge bass slam.
so the wattage will going to greatly influence the control of the amp to the driver.

IF your amp has the "taste" that you like a lot. and it shall stick within your gear. i will suggest you to go for musical fidelity super charger 500 watt. it's sort of buffer for amp. and able to remain the amp sound signature while providing much more control.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 5 2009, 07:55 PM

it's not kinda bad. but the speed , attack, and a lot of tiny tiny stuff might fade off through tube amp.
but again. since you are going it for easy listening. i think EL34 for Toy Tower could work.
and it shall be no problem in obtaining loud volume.
put it this way. Amp, does not only drive the speaker. but sometime it does control the driver too.
just as what i said earlier long time ago. that the speaker VS amp is like Car VS engine analogy.
driving a big speaker with lower amp, is as driving a car without brake.
it can all the way speed up (getting loud) but when the membrane needs to moves back in opposite direction the amp will have less the power to counter the momentum of the driver itself as it's wattage isn't that big.
for amp with proper control (bigger wattage for control), then the amp capable to pull back the driver to opposite direction as it can afford bigger load. that's the control i am talking about. however if you are not doing a direct side by side comparison, it shouldn't be a big problem.

this also explain why dynaudio bookshelve speaker require 300 watt minimum output. it doesn't mean that the speaker can blast as loud as 300 watt (probably ear already deaf); it is meaning that the speaker needs amp that can output 300-watt power to be able to control it so that the speaker have the correct speed / counter momentum
.
and it also explain why we buy big big amp, and yet still turning the volume control at 20-30% or / 50% .
Some one might curious : why don't we buy smaller amp? say we buy 500-Watt amp, yet we use 10% of volume control. isn't that meaning that we buy 50-Watt amp shall sound the same as 500-Watt at 10%? it doesn't. because some times it might need heavier load to push back the driver to the position it shall be. and even micro-seconds of the time will still effect the overall presentation of the music, that's what ppl call rhythm and pace.


If i am not mistaken. when i tested the TOY TOWER (not Toy monitor) the TOY TOWER need almost 50% power to obtain volume as loud as SFCD on solid state. (SFCD is 89db / 4ohm. while TOY tower is 89db / 8 ohm)
no doubt tube amp has higher loudness output. but as i said. it can be use. but don't expect too much from it. especially things like speed, punch, and micro refinement.

Editted : PS : of course, the audio research is totally another story. that audio research is infact pretty impressive to me, or i could even said i admire what an AR can do. if runemastertan is talking about an audio research amp to match a toy tower. i will say "go ahead, fast fast grab it. it won't make u regret".
lol


This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 6 2009, 07:00 PM

i strongly believed that it's not the "extra cash" things that hold u back. it's a matter of you want it or not.. lol..


hm.. i never actually heard of those amp you are talking.
so i cannot really suggest you on that. i had come across an tube amp using EL34 making my SFCD sounds terribly SHARP and HARSH. much more harsh than my old NAD 3020A / Audio Analoge Primo Settanta V2. however, my pass experience to deal with antique stuff, is a night mare experience. non stop repair, tweaking.. caps burst, transformer not good, transistor left right imbalance.. this this that that.. NON STOP. while in the end. i feel i was being played by those antique stuff..
you must use it with tube? if so. pls do consider of new tube with warranty. / old tube amp with long enough warranty.

but honestly. i will really suggest you to go to perfect hifi to pay them a visit, since you are going to play with sonus faber. just directly shoot them with what u think. and how much ur budget u have. then ask them to recommend u somethings.

if the things not nice. directly tell them. "this is NOT GOOD as compare to other shop offered me, what else u can offer" . i never hesitate to tell the shop that i am not happy with the sound or i am actually prefer other type of sound. but after all , i usually can find what i want. so. don't be shame / hesitate to tell the shop what kind of sound u are looking for. if they are out of their ability to satisfied ur need of the sound, tell them , sorry, i prefer other amp offered by other shop.

i recently come across some customer while i am in perfect hifi & CMY audio. some customer don't even wanna give comment to the sound. when they were asked. they were simply say "ya ya.. good good" while they don't feel it's good, and they keep their though in their own brain only. while they are expecting the shop to impress them without even letting the shop to know what kind of sound they are looking for. some said they are not familiar with the shop, that's why not good to shoot. and some said they are poor, no money, so they better don't say the things is not good. that's very weird altitude imho. because for me. although i have limited budget. i can always alter my choice and tell them i actually prefer warmer sound / faster sound / more exciting sound.
then only they can give a useful suggestion for me to choose.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 6 2009, 08:59 PM

perfect hifi is the sole distributor of sonus faber in malaysia.
even shops in penang does take stock from them if it is with local warranty. and the warranty is covered by perfect hifi.
that's why i am saying, if u are going to play with sonus faber, it's good oso for you to pay them a visit.
they have 3 branch. 1 in bangsar, 1 in ioi mall puchong. 1 in wisma MPL.
but i prefer the one in wisma MPL, the sales person is better imho.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 7 2009, 12:10 PM

very much agreed..

yes. that's correct.

wahlao..
then i must post some more picture..


This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 13 2009, 11:23 PM

amati one oso karat lah..
lol

only newer batch of sonus faber like TOY seires, and luito series come with shining plate..
but i like the karat taste more.
hahahahahaha


Story : One seller of hifi shop came to my house. see see my sonus faber and say "sonus faber plate not good oh.. after sometime they will rust...."
i almost pengsan....
the plate was plated with lacquer..how to karat???

that's not the story all about.
how can the lacquer ever gone?
i am not throwing my sonus everywhere.
it's sort of clear coating on the plate..
what he is refering is actually the natural colour of the plate. sonus faber purposely make it looks that way. and he though that's a rust. while it's not rust.

just that he himself is a speaker seller. although he don't carry sonus faber, he shall had at least saw them a lot. and he simply assume they are rust.. and he had been in speaker selling business ever since he started to work.


This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 14 2009, 01:46 PM

i can gurantee that they won't sing in my room.
lol
even SFCD already sounds congested in my room. For SFCD that is lowest end in sonus faber, i even had to spend 1 full day just to find the correct position of the speaker in my room. the more high end. the more fussy. i don't think i can have ability to handle anythings higher than SFCD especially from a sudden upgrade of whole system.

so forget about those high end high end rig. no point buying them if i know it is impossible for me to get it's potential out..
talk is easy leh. 5 digit source, 5 digit amp, 5 digit speaker, 4 digit cables maybe they all require a 6@7 digit house.. Keep dreaming. lol.
u know my situation leh.. lol tak akan all those 5 digit stuff. yet still driving a YAMAHA SPORT 100, staying in a rent house.. =.=

This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 15 2009, 12:31 AM

lol.
wait i graduate first lah..
now can only dream. but infact i am very very satisfied with my current setup.
and i know if i were going to make a big different out of current setup. i might have to change the whole setup. lol

GOOD POINT..
so if possible i might stay in Malaysia or even go other places that can afford bigger house..
lol

later in SG..blast loud a bit, kena complain how?
but still...
can graduate first lah.... it was really far to me.. still have a lot of work to do before i can actually graduate....

This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 15 2009, 01:33 AM

u can ... just depend on u want or dun want mah..
lol

there's no 2.1 for sonus unless u wanna saperately buy it's speaker and match with it's own woofer.

a cheapset 2.1 set for sonus shall be around/ slightly more than RM 10K for a pair of speaker, stand, and woofer itself. not including amplifier.


This post has been edited by PcWork: Dec 30 2009, 10:39 PM

cheapest shall be RM 4K+ speaker alone. no stand.

lol i though today u heard "somethings" good ?? AR 60i?


nope. basically all sonus faber are created with music reproduction as first target. if grand piano is not for music. then concertino domus will be created for SURROUND sound, not music.

who told that statement to you? and had you ever heard a real GP singing?
else it will be wasting time to ask for those answer. just head out to dealer and have a good listen. else u can still proceed asking with all these question like "AE1 is meant for monitor, not that good for music? right?" and u never get answer.

BTW, had u got ur Toy Tower?

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jan 1 2010, 01:47 AM

congraturation hushymushy.. on purchase of SFGP (Grand Piano)..

Sexy photo :




AR 60i..

dude the SF musica amp cannot compare with the AR60i leh. it's very big different imho. some more if i am not wrong, it's SS amp. u pampered by verdi tube pre-stage, already can tahan SS meh?