Hi Marcus,

It's good that you're finally here to share your part of the story and told us that this is manipulated story against your good name.

First of all, I must admit I may have misjudged you as I had indeed only listened to one side of the story. You're right, I should not judge a book by its cover however, I do not see myself owing you an apology until you justify your actions. I am not unreasonable and I do not wish to misjudge a good person. Therefore, if you are ready to share, I am more than glad to listen and if my post towards you is baseless / wrong, I will take it back and apologize for it. I have no problems for that but for now, I just want to hear your views.

However, I wish to clarify that I am against all unethical breeders. So please do not take this personally, as I am not against you as a person, but rather the actions that was done.

1. When someone wants to keep a dog as pet. They ask you for help to source for the dog, you found it. How come you never bring them to your uncle's place?
2. Why buy 3 dogs at once when you dont know anything about them and has no interest in them?
3. Have you ever thought of not purchasing all 3 dogs and then ask ppl to think of you? Was that greed that cloud your judgement and arent you blaming others for it?
4. It's OK if you make 500 or 1000 bucks out of the business deal. Nothing wrong with that. However, you mentioned joint venture - I am assuming a breeding business. If it is a breeding business, why did you sell her the female (debarked and a breeding stock of over few litters) as pet. Then, keep 2 other healthy westies for yourself and only to be sold off later. Without a male, this would not have been a joint venture as you mentioned, yes? This looks like you wanted to push the most unwanted Westie to a scapegoat as you know you probably wont be able to sell it to anyone else out there.

As to your customer's action of telling pet shop owners not to purchase from you, that's out of our league. It also highly depends on the amount of brains the pet shop owners have. If they have brains like humans, they would not listen to her. If they have brains lesser than a dog, I think you're better off without them.

If you still dont have interest about westie and do not know anything about them, I suggest the selling stop. Think of it as a life, not as some profiting opportunity - please ok? Thank you.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Sep 22 2008, 12:19 AM

I'm glad that you think rationally but can you understand what i've posted? I don't think you understand,please,please read what i've posted. OK i'll answer..

1.when you stand on my side as a businessman, will you bring the customer to your sources of getting the goods? NO..... if you do so every1 who runs a business or relevant collapse and more on i know sue ann very well i don't 1 to cause any trouble between me and my uncle's relationship knowing that she good in giving trouble to ppl.

2.i bought 3 of them because i was not given a choice and that is the condition.(you can ask mr.chan if you 1 to). I willing to take up because i like to try out new things or i can even say that i dare to invest in something that i'm not familiar with and that doesn't concern you at all in 1st place.

3.i have never say that i was force to buy the 2 is just that she make the 1st move in geting the dog and then push the blame to me as if i'm forcing her to purchase the dog.If you're me it's a definite you'll get mad too.Am i right?

4.First i've already mention to her it is debarked and it's a breeding stock and she knew about that. She bought the dog is for breeding purposes because she was convinced with what she saw and she's accountant ( very calculative ), she can see the profit earning is very high but never knew that it is not as easy as she think.You (MATTHEW) might listen different stories from her because she is a story maker and watever she does is just to make her look innocent and not guilty.Don't be fooled by her cause if not for breeding purposes she would bought a puppy.I have never push a unwanted westie for her as i've shown her mine and given her a choice whether to change or not.

5.I have certainly not giving her an unhealthy westie and even if the westie have problem did you ever find out that is after how long she bought the dog? You should know if a dog doesn't given a good care and treat will the dog be healthy? Do the owner or seller should be responsible? and if immediate the moment that she receive the dog shows syptoms, Y don't she complain or reject? that means problem occured after sometime.And you say that the dog debarked is wrong? did you know that even the dog is debarked she still feel that it's noisy and bash the dog up just to make it quiet in front on me .Do you think that this owner is responsible enough?even if you do that will you admit? as i know nobody admit when they're wrong.

6. You said that using dogs to make $ is not ethical at all and all of the breeder is unethical of doing so.So that means you get your 3 westie for free? Absolutely NO. And if this action is unethical where do you and every1 get puppy?And in this world nothing comes free.(if got please inform me)So if you bought your westie from a breeder which where you mention they are unethical(why would a breeder breed dog?) that means you are a person with no BRAINS at all because you don't even know how to differentiate wat is right wat is wrong and do you think that you are rasional type of person or should i listen to your advise?

YOU ABSOLUTELY GOT NO SENSE OF HUMOUR AND I FOUND THAT WHEN YOU DEBATE YOU OPEN UP YOUR GATES WIDELY FOR YOUR OPPONENT TO CONQUER............

I don't mean to be rude but if you listen to one side story and you start posting up and found that later you're wrong , YOU ARE REALLY WRONG and for that now i think you should owe me an apology.

Marcus,

It's good that you're open up to clarifications and debate. So you're a businessman rather than a breeder. Of course nobody would bring them to the source. Nothing wrong with that and sorry your uncle made you bought all 3.

"To put it very simply, a girl from a wealthy background wanted a puppy and met a businessman whose uncle is a breeder. The businessman made a deal with his uncle and got 3 dogs. Not knowing where to push the most unwanted dog - the gold color, debarked, breeding dog of > 2 years, the businessman made a breeding business proposition to this girl despite the friendship. The agreement was, the girl take the most unwanted dog while the businessman keep the 2 better puppies for himself. While the girl trusted the businessman since he's a friend, she brought the most unwanted dog home and waited patiently, the business never happened. Later, she found out that he has sold off everything and has no breeding intentions because it was a lie to begin with. The dogs are gone and not allowed to be changed (as claimed above), the businessman sold off the 2 puppies reaping profits from all 3 dogs and end of story."

Lastly, stop stepping down on others just because you arent friends with them anymore. This brings a lot of negativity to your image as a businessman and gives more credibility to what I've heard from a family over you. Whether she is innocent or she is not, let me be the one who decide. I am close to the family so I know what she is like. You claim to be an opponent who can conquer but somehow its ironic that you lost your credibility as a friend from an entire family, so I still doubt you a little.

Do share your side of the story. If I find myself in the wrong, I have no problems apologizing but I'm taking a family's viewpoint over a businessman's at the moment.


Cheers.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Sep 22 2008, 08:44 AM

Well,yet you still don't understand.I guess i don't need 2 say much or explain much more cause say and say also u don't understand at all.Anyway,over is over,what has done we can't change it.

1.Breeding is a part of a business/income for a breeder.I know some did it for passion but how many of them are like that,then for what they breed dog?without breeding as a business,i guess there will no factory that produce food for ur pets,there will no job opportunities and u won't get ur westie.As u've mentioned earlier that i bought the mother from ur family friend,rite?Why didn't he( wealthy man & YOUR FAMILY FRIEND) gave u a free westie( i know u bought 1 from him) as u say u're taking a family's viewpoint and u as a FAMILY FRIEND?

2. I would like to repeat again n again,ok SHE WANTS A WESTIE AT 1ST And i haven't sell of the male until the day she said that she doesn't 1 to breed the dog because she doesn'y 1 the dog to suffer and i refunded her the stud service $ and after that only i sell off my male and i think that's fair enough and i really hope that u get the correct info before putting the blame on people.

3.You say i don't know where to push the most unwanted dog,how sure u are that was the unwanted dog? and i keep the 2 better puppies?HELLO.............PLEASE READ WHAT I WRITE .......

4.My uncle sold me 3 dogs,all adult ok,not puppies(that u mentioned) and all of them( THREE) were debarked & breeding purpose,ooh u say she took the most unwanted dog - gold & debarked. ( For ur info,my female westie had skin prob,ok ?so how? go back n complain to my uncle?) so,u think which is the most unwanted dog?why i have 2 puppies? years back,i bathe them and they mated accidently without i knowing,then only my female gave birth to 2 puppies.

5.i didn't make a business proposition to her,she's the one who propose it 1st.As what i've said nobody likes to admit when they're in the wrong but else every1 wants credit and to sell or not it's up to me as we don't have any agreement.before we start,we already argue,how 2 continue a business if like that?AND do you think breeding is easy?

LASTLY I THINK YOU ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO LECTURE ME INSTEAD OF THAT I THINK THE OWNER OF THE DOG SHOULD CONFRONT.

Whatever people wants to say,we can't shut their mouth, as u know ..humans are like that.... when a person does a good deeds,nobody knows,but when a person does a mistake,the whole world start talking.In this world nothing is right or wrong, if you think that is right then is right if not then the right also won't be right....Am i right? If you think that i'm wrong....watever i say won't be right cause u believe that is wrong then that is WRONG.As i know where i stand,that's enough.CLOSED.

Only you would know what you have done. You have your version and she has hers. Things were so serious at a point of time that this was nearly brought to MCA office to be resolved. If your conscience is clear, there's no reason to get worked up. As long as you know where you stand, that's enough. That's all that matters.

I know the family friend I talked about is your uncle. It doesnt matter who he is to me. I just feel sorry for you, that you had to buy all 3 breeding stock and debarked from your uncle and sell it to your friend. Why you took such an action, I have no idea. You dont have to tell it to me either.

With that being said, I wish to apologize to you if the story was somewhat contradicting and in the beginning. There's no point in pursuing this any further. Lastly, I am glad that you have the guts to stay and put up a clarification of the story. I just want you to know I appreciate your version, regardless if it's true or false. If you feel you're right, then you must be.

Thank you.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Sep 22 2008, 09:48 PM

westies are soo adorable (=

Well....i juz hope u are an ethical breeder that understand westies very well. A breeder is not for profit making, it needs alot of commitment as well. Know ur dog best before selling it. Juz dun spoil the breed tats all.

This post has been edited by larryho: Sep 30 2008, 07:24 AM

westies are so cute... =)))

Hey guys,

My Snowball has developed this habit of licking his paw when he's bored or when he's just about to go to sleep (pacifier? LOL)

I've checked with the vet, and they told me his paws are not infected or anything. Maybe he's just bored that's why.


But he has so many toys in the house, and I think he gets bored with them easily How do I get rid of this habit?

Hi guys,

Here are some westies pics that i took during my trip around europe, hope u all like seeing it...cheers


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Nice photos... the westie on the street looks very rough coat, a bit skinny though and the head isnt groom properly. The other one at the balcony looks fierce. While going for dinner at Bangsar the other day, I took a wrong turn into a housing area. I saw a man jogging with his westie... OMG! The westie looks really nice, too bad I didnt have camera then. I parked my car aside and waited for them to close-in. I can say the westie is alike or even nicer than what we see on the Cesar cover...

Actually while on my trip, i saw quite a few nice westies but juz din have the time to take pics of them coz i was alwaz rushing becoz I were backpacking during my euro trip. I wanted to take a picture of a westie at France where it was not tied wit a leech but i din made it coz the owner turn on the other side of the road while i need to walk straight tat time.

Look closely at the 3rd picture in the 1st row...that was quite a nice westie on the right side, its juz that owners din groom it. But look at the head shape, he really look quite nice with its fluffy hair. And look how long at the leech of those two westies, its like the same without having leech on them man.

This post has been edited by larryho: Oct 8 2008, 07:01 AM

They look very gray instead of white - is it cause they seldom bath?

Im not sure about that coz i aso dun really knw the owner...i juz saw them on the streets and took their pics for fun juz to share it wit u all. I guess most probably the owner haven bath them, i guess once bath them..the water color might be like the color of longkang water...lolz

Anyway, hows ur little puppy goin Pennywise?

I think I read before somewhere, that Westies are like stray dogs over in Scotland.

How often do you bath your dogs, larry?

My puppy ah? Hmmm... he seems ok, he is getting better now and more responsive to treats. Give him treats to make him learn the command Come. Still got a long way to go for him. Must at least know the basic - sit, come, down, up, hand, rollover, bang bang, go home. All other tricks, quite lazy to teach - kinda difficult cause i'm having a handful with my second westie - Moonie, she has very low confidence so she hunch or squat whenever walk, must even teach her to walk straight or stand straight... Sometimes bongkok, sometimes like crawling, sometimes the leg too high up like kangkang.

I'll bath them twice a week on every weds and sun. But sometimes they play till very dirty outside the house like kena dirty water or mud, then i'll bath them immediately.

I guess u need to have some sport activities with Moonie so that she can get back her confident. Westies are hyperactive dogs, its not that u train them and they will b ok i guess. Try playing wit her always like fetch all those or running around wit them. Bring them out often aso proves to be a very good exercise for them. I hope this will work for Moonie. I'll normally hav outdoor activities with them quite frequent like ball fetch or even play with them in the house.

I wouldnt say stray la, I think it's common. Its afterall the country of origin. Just like you go Hong Kong and see chinese as the most common race.

Ok, I used to bath them on the same day - Wed and Sun but now less time, so only on weekends. Occassionally my sister help out on a weekday when she dont have tuition but now her SPM is nearing so no more help till its over.

Yea, i've been intending to bring Moonie out for dog events but there hasnt been any plans at the usual dog event at Central Park, Bandar Utama. I just think she need to socialize more. Most of the time, I bring her meet other ppl (humans, friends), she always curl up and turn over and ask for tummy rubs.

People tell me its not low confidence, else she wont feel safe with tummy rubs. Haih... even I am confused on what to do with her.

Haha....then i guess its her habit then to look less confident. Mayb u can try to make her feel energise, keep playing wit her so that she will feel motivated. I wil hav a few toys for my westies, but dun take it out for them to play alwaz..keep it and bring it out once awhile so they will feel the toys they play are precious. I'll normally play football or fetch wit them and that is their routine activities actually. But if possible, play wit her alone so that others wont disturb her and make her feel demotivated coz if ur other westie keep on getting the sportlight, she might feel uncomfortable. If she's still the same moody style then really duno how to help her adi lar.

Anyway, does ur westies play wit each other like chasing each other?

Yea, confidence problem la this girl.

Last time Casper like to play catch ball but now got many friends liao, dont want to play with me anymore. I had a controller car where I tried to catch them last time but when I think about how they are afraid of it may bring a negative effect, I stopped.

They chase each other and Moonie seldom get involved - she's super lazy. Marquis and Casper got chase around la. I am hoping to bring Moonie out to meet more dogs so she get a confident boost.