alright, gloves' off.

look, that's the whole problem with this kind of shit. when you lot label someone like that as 'traitor' you see your own race as a gang, and that's where all racism starts from. my gang is better, smarter, richer, more noble, etc than your gang.

its good that this one fellow sees beyond this myopia (although i do agree, hating is a tad far) but at least, he (or she) isn't a racist. same can't be said to some others, however much one thinks himself as not.

relying on the support and advantages of this discrimination (like getting a job due to one's race) is racism too. profiteering from an injustice is the same as committing the act itself. bloody hands at arm's length, one would say.

looking at this thread makes me sick, seriously. how can one complain that the gov is racist if even yourselves are too?

but the thing is about the environment not which race is bad, if you are brought up in a very friendly malay but hostile chinese environment youd think the chinese are bad. get what i mean ? but nvm its not about that.

i do feel i dont belong to my race, i dont follow the cultural conforms, im not too good with their language and so on. but i know i belong there just because they are my people, if i turn my back on them which race will open its arms to me openly?

You are right. Its one of the factor. But im only mentioning about the TS saying how a student who have the same teacher but have different proficiency in English. The people you've seen might not speaking with other native English users when they're in UK or USA. Yet, their intention to learn to speak is low. Is it the enviromental factor like a forummer said? Back to TS, question, indeed im feeling that the environment affect how TS looks at his race. G's and Media is one of the factor too. Generalization? Its like a plague in the society. If you mention about certain race, automaticly an event of the specific race pop up in their mind.

none. rely on yourselves. you don't have to join a gang to survive.

well you dont have to join them, but if you are against them get what i mean. also in a racially hostile environment, you are goina go pro western? thats kinda meh

I like the way you phrase 'gangs'. Its very true.. when a group of people outcasts someone of their own race, they unite in a way like a gang would and thats how racism begins because out to protect his own skin in the gang, he will side them and diss other races

I was about to say this actually... its true, why do we need to associate ourselves with a group of people

Pro western means? Btw, if we look to the west, the racism is even stronger there

This post has been edited by J-Slade: May 19 2008, 12:36 AM

Heh-heh. I think I been there before. I understand the frustration.

An enemy of an enemy is a friend? LOL.. I don't think we should have this thinking.. its like criticizing ur own race in hope to seek shelter from others

Thank you bro... I feel a tad bit happier alongside empyreal too.. lol

Point of issue,
-> Race or GangRace?
-> Generalization by the G and Medias?
-> ''Majority''
-> Environment?
Big question, when we fill in a form, why would there be 'race' section/question on the form?

i hate asians...

f*** OFF!! THE LOT OF YOU!!!

no, you don't have to be pro-western, you don't have to be in any gang at all. free yourselves from the shackles of your ethnocentric chains and become malaysians. the first fews will always get flakked like this fella here, but if no one takes a stand against all this crap, no one will. then this circle of racism traps us all.

Recently, whenever I fill in a form in the race column I put Race: Malaysian... I think I opened a thread some time ago and ask who dared do it I didn't get much response

watch ur words bro.. we're here to have a friendly discussion not cause hatret

I doubt many Malaysians will dare defy their own race to try to stop racism... everyone just wants to be the majority so they feel 'secure'....

But like what empyreal here is saying, honestly I urge everyone to work as individuals for themselves instead of just sticking to a 'gang' just cause of security of stuff like that

This post has been edited by J-Slade: May 19 2008, 12:47 AM

because governments are reflections of the society that they come from. people always refer to govs as if they're separate beings, but they all come from the same stock as their voters. the fears and malice of racist 'malaysians' get reflected in racist governemnt policies. looking at this thread the majority of malaysians all fear to leave their own cocoons. the types of policies, and environment that has arisen are all fostered by their own idiocy and prejudice.

if one person's going to join a gang, someone else will form another gang. that's what you get.

Oh ho ho high five brather
The only chinese language I can speak is hokkien which is...considered not chinese enough here
Well my friends themself speak english although abit broken but never the less they are trying to improve themself

Exactly bro! Honestly, the people whom I consider my friends are at least trying and is not shy to make mistakes and all at least they got an open mind. Its those people whom shut themselves from not wanting to learn at all that mostly I feel are racists...

Anyway just an honest question, do you guys think speaking english is important when trying to get a job?

never read the news? now can undo! if it is by marriage la.

aside from english, other languages are more or less important too

btw guys, check out this page!!!

http://www.malaysianartistesforunity.info/

has cool stuff bout unity. the song is damn nice. a lil lame at the rap part, but at least it reflects on who we are as Malaysians.

well im not refering to only us Malaysians, but basically the issue of one being against his or her own race. yes its good to drop the racist issue and lets all shake hands and be humans, but thing is the world doesnt work this way. in certain environments you are partially forced to be racist and thats purely just to survive, not with the luxury of acting in order of human rights.

basically shouting anti-racist over the internet and a non-hostile environment is simple, but i know when the cards are down and the other races hate me just because i am what i am, then i have to do stick to my own people to survive. ive seen it happen with students, people, relatives.

now giving the finger against your own people in those situations aint to smart aint it?

at first paragraph, either way, racism will always be there.

second paragraph, n thus why the racism will always be there. i mean your second point says why racism exist, if you try to get rid of it.

and thats what i said, everyone is a racist somewhere in their mind, and heart. even if it is tiny little bit.

This post has been edited by night_wolf_in: May 19 2008, 01:14 AM