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post Nov 30 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(iraz @ Nov 29 2012, 04:15 PM)
sifus,

would like to share my experience changing fr 1 phase to 3 phase. i had no idea the financial impact until i went thru the ordeal....All below are TNB cost alone.

Just renovated my semiD house. Since I have 13 AC plus some other equipments, I decided to change to 3 phase.
1. TNB Meter location was at next to one of the gate pillar. Since I expand the gate, I need to relocate the meter (and change 1 phase to 3phase meter). The cost to relocate the meter is a whopping RM8.5K - just to terminate the old 1 phase and relocate.
2. Cost to pull new 100A cable (3 phase) from TNB substation (50m away) to the new meter is another RM8.9K. This one is really bothersome as TNB needs to apply permit from local council to dig the road etc.

Work scope 1 and 2 involved two different departments from TNB.

I am still waiting for TNB to lay the new cable and currently my house is powered using the old 1 phase still. Note I am not using all the ACs, the most is 5 AC at a time.

My question: is item 1 is really reasonable/necessary - I cannot believe 8.5K just to terminate the 1 phase cable and relocate. Any feedback appreciated.
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You pay directly to TNB or agent? Sound expensive to me. My neighbor change to 3 phase, but remain the meter on the wall, she told me is cheaper alternative but it sure look one kind with 4 cables loop in. Did not ask her the actual conversion cost her, but she told me was not too bad, less than 5k.

Maybe your due to the covnersion and moving meter to the gate. Is the power pole right outside your house or accross the road? SemiD may need 3 phase since you have 13 AC
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post Nov 30 2012, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(iraz @ Nov 30 2012, 09:16 AM)
Hi Ozak - Yes I have finished renovated. I Have paid item 2 but not item 1 as I am still arguing with TNB on the termination method.
Hi Weikee - I paid directly to TNB and they appoint their contractor. Item 2 I can understand since it will involved new cable plus labor but item 1 I think not reasonable. They will pull the new cable from substation (not power pole) which is about 50ft (not m as per my earlier posting) from my house.
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Item 1 really look expensive. Dealing with TNB is never cheap, I relocate my meter, ask TNB relocate the wires already cost me RM 1.2k. Maybe you ask them for breakdown detail.
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post Dec 13 2012, 10:11 AM

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That also one of the reason why I enggage TNB to relocate the front 4 black wires. In case of such incident, they don't have excuse that is my illegal modding.

mccool. sorry to hear this, most important no one was hurt and damage is on small area (hopefully). My mom distance neighbor had this issue lucky the damage saw low because it was discover earlier and the entire row of house power trip. They just came replace the burned wires and did not say anything at all.


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post Dec 13 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 13 2012, 10:26 AM)
It happen to my beside neighbour too. 1 night of nowhere, the wire joint connecting box catch fire and burn out. Just beside the house front door. Lucky a small burn out. This joint is extend by TNB when neigbour do renovation.

It is the connecting oxidise/loose. It will get hot and eventually melt and burn.

Normally a high voltage cable joint need to seal it properly with somekind of potting material.
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Think also need to see where the supply is. If the house is first half of the entire row of the house it need proper "solder" or sealing material. If after that the supply current have drop, proper tight screw to join both the cables are good already. But they have to measure the heat for safety.

I have test using the laser heat measurement tool (borrow from my friend workshop), few round test the measurement on the join box look reasonable. hopefully stay like that.
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 13 2012, 11:00 AM)
It is the beginning wire come from the pole.

The measurement have to conduct at night to get the max result. Which is the highest load.
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Yeah measure few time difference timing including midnight during hot days.
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post Dec 19 2012, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Dec 19 2012, 12:19 PM)
the bigger fuse can take it. but can ur existing cable take it continuously? even if u change to bigger cable, u still cant change the incoming, as it is TNB's property.


Added on December 19, 2012, 12:21 pm3 phase is not needed, if:

a) ur load can be handled by single phase
b) u need 400V supply
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Anything with 415v will required 3 Phase. There is no 400V load, country like UK tolerarance voltage is betweet 390v to 440v, and usually the equipment that need 3 phase will have such tolerance level. I believe Bolehland also similar.

A single phase for a house can take up to max 63Amps. Theoratically If all the house in the same row run the load at max, the incoming cable will not be able to take it. Even for 3 phases.
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post Dec 19 2012, 02:24 PM

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Please read back what you wrote.

You wrote:

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3 phase is not needed, if:

a) ur load can be handled by single phase
b) u need 400V supply
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For load, i don't deal with 3 phase, maybe is a new trendto use 400v, it does not matter because the equipment should be design to have some tolererance level.

This post has been edited by weikee: Dec 19 2012, 02:25 PM
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post Dec 19 2012, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Dec 19 2012, 02:35 PM)
ok fixed. thnx n sorry for that.

last time was 415V, now its drop to 400V. simple as that.
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Something new I learn today. Thank you.
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post Jan 14 2013, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ Jan 14 2013, 09:07 AM)
I heard that it will be cheaper for you to upgrade to 3 phase if neighbour got 3 phase already as less work for TNB.
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No such things. You think Fiber internet point? when they lay it will have many cores inside that can be use by many tenant.

If you tap from the existing 4 black cables, maybe cheaper compare to having a meter at the gate pillar side. But this depend on the existing cables load. TNB may not allow you to do that if the load already heavy and you have to tap from the pole. Tapping from the pole will be much higher.
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post Jan 14 2013, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jan 14 2013, 01:41 PM)
if hse haf 1 freezer n 1 fridge ok rite if 1 phase...
adi planned to do extension coz ori hhse design waste alot of land area =(
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Check the freezer and fridge capacity / load first. If freezer are 3hp, fridge are 3hp, with some a/c and water heater sure above 10kw.

But if only small, is not much to worry. My mom house one freezer, one fridge, and 3 a/c, and 2 water heater. Been living on single phase for many years.
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post Jan 16 2013, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Jan 16 2013, 09:36 AM)
May i know what is the meaning of "Installation charges as low as RM10.00 for public street  lighting sponsored by individual"

Apply for street light for only rm10??
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You can have individual street light, paid by private (include house owner). So just pay them RM 10 for installation. But monthly bill the applicant will have to pay.
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post Jan 16 2013, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Jan 16 2013, 10:39 AM)
Do you know roughly how much bill per month for street light if turn on from 6.30 pm to 7.00 am the next morning?
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Don't know actual rate. But using common rate, say 12 hours per day for 30 days, with 500watt bulb (this one not sure), and 40 cents per KWh = ~ RM 72.00
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post Jan 16 2013, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Jan 16 2013, 10:46 AM)
from tnb website:

"For customers who wish to apply for street lighting under their own name, a connection charge will be imposed.  A monthly charge of RM10.00 will also be included in the customer’s account. Customer may go to the nearest Pusat Khidmat Pelanggan for more information on the connection charges."

So we don't need to pay electric usage? just pay rm10 every month?
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My understanding, is like TM, try have monthly rental. Usage frfeesees still apply.

Want to apply, just go and ask them for detail.
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post Jan 18 2013, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(madcow1 @ Jan 18 2013, 09:07 AM)
Hi Sifu, thanks but I am noob in this, do you mean connecting the black copper wire with the green one ? There is 2 black wires there, one is fine wire and another one is copper type.
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These is like asking a normal person do surgery. Very scary.

Please don't short the green with black. Your ELCB will trip.

Green with green
Black with black.
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post Jan 18 2013, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(madcow1 @ Jan 18 2013, 09:14 AM)
Serious ? Cannot learn how to DIY now and must get help from electrician ?
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Light and fan usually are looping, taking out the wires mean you have break the loop. Reconnect the loop.

Black to black
green to green


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post Nov 21 2013, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(ryan3721 @ Nov 21 2013, 11:08 PM)
hi, like in my case [attachmentid=3715523] the new house comes with single phase, how do i know if can change to 3 phase or not? Just walk in to nearest TNB office? Tq
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Change outside, internal house wiring never change is useless. Waste of deposit and labor fees.
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post Nov 22 2013, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Lerner @ Nov 22 2013, 12:47 AM)
Noted. Thanks. I am going for 3Phase then. Easier and feel Safer on the overloading.  blush.gif
Banting Area, Still having 3Phase Promotion? will go over and apply by year end.

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If you are doing house renovation, and do recabling yes it can evenly distribute the load by experience contractor. But if just change the incoming to 3phase, it does not gurantee you are not overloading, the internal cabling need to be redirect to different phase. To be exact is Red Yellow Blue supply.
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post May 6 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(klnaj @ May 6 2014, 12:29 PM)
Hi guys, i have bought an old house and think of changing the single phase to 3 phase. I wonder do i need to re-wiring my whole house cables or basically changing the fuse box outside my house will do?
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The purpose of 3phase is to able run more high current equipments concurrent and even load distribution. What is the point to have 3 phases and your internal not properly distributed? If you only have total of 10mcbs don't waste your money. Unless all your mcb are to power water heater/ac
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post May 6 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Noobl3t @ May 6 2014, 02:03 PM)
1) Upgrade of the fuse from single to three phase, you will have to be through tnb or ask electric contractor to help.
2) you have to change the distribution board mcb to 3 phase incoming and the bus bar to 3 phase.
3) no, you do not need to require the while house.

Forgot, to say elcb have to be three phase for incoming. Specifications must comply to local authority.
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And the purpose of all these without increase number of mcb and power points? unless your house already have 20 - 30 mcbs if not serve no purpose for changing 3phase.
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post May 6 2014, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Noobl3t @ May 6 2014, 05:07 PM)
I answered based in his question. It's is dependent to his load usage. U can have 30 mcb, but u can still run it on single phase, dependent to load, e.g all lights.
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And served no purpose just replacing incoming from single to 3phass without knowing the load and evenly distribution of the incoming.except giving more deposite for tnb to keep and installation fees.

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