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Renovations 3-phase wiring
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weikee
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May 6 2014, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(the s.crib @ May 6 2014, 04:58 PM) Hi hi, Just a question on 3 phase. Can a house have 2 3 phase meter? I have an issue with load due to the high electrical usage and was told that 1 3 phase meter is not enough. Just wondering what can I do about it? Adding more DB boxes as opposed to having 2 3 phase meters? Thanks You running hotels? Big bungalow one meter enough. Say one phase you use 40amps you use all 3 phases is 120amps that is 27+kwatt. Not enough? You can max it to 60amps per phase. Additional meter may only allow if it is commercial rate, I ask before when the contractor came change my analog meter, because 1-300kwh are subsidized and if you have more meter you are enjoying from 1-600kwh. Tnb and gov not stupid.
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weikee
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Jun 26 2014, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(desmond5529 @ Jun 26 2014, 02:16 PM) As I understand, our 3-phase voltage is 415v and single-phase voltage is 240v. Will there be any issue using single phase 240v appliances under 415v 3-phase? I have an electric motor rated at 380v, can I use it under 415v? 3 Phase wiring, does not mean you have to use 415v, Each phase is still 230. Unless you use all the 3 phase in the same equipment you equipment need to be build to support 3 phase and voltage of 400v.
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weikee
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Jun 26 2014, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 26 2014, 10:26 PM) In tnb supply, 240v is come from 415v. You can't use 380v rate motor on 415v supply. Risk of burn the stator coil. Now TNB is 230 / 400 It was made public many years back. Therefore our current will be higher. If not mistaken it allow variance of -6% - +10% The change is to inline with the international std. This post has been edited by weikee: Jun 26 2014, 11:57 PM
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weikee
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Aug 12 2014, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Aug 12 2014, 09:27 PM) If the main fuse are 60A or higher rating, for sure single phase also enough. But once your house caught fire, insurance won't pay you. I don't see any reason why insurance won't pay if it run within the limit, and with proper wiring. Unless House owner using wrong wire sizing maybe. A single phase max fuse is 63amps with the correct wire sizing. If you have come across such information from Insurance do share with us.
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weikee
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Aug 13 2014, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Aug 13 2014, 01:43 AM) Is on the TNB application form on the requirement. And insurance company will use this form and fire department's report to decide pay or not pay in case of fire. Also, I do know that with single phase I can run 5-6 air conds without problem but when something happens I don't want insurance company have an excuse to deny a claim. Please tell me which line state not support of 3rd ac? http://www.tnb.com.my/application/uploads/...cation_Form.pdfI have also consult General insurance agent, nothing to do with AC quantity installed.
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weikee
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Aug 13 2014, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 13 2014, 09:57 AM) 1HP = 0.75KW 750/240 = 3~4A, Safety margin let say 25%, make it 5A per air cond 5 x 6 = 30A. Still within the capability of a single phase that is 50A. You cannot overload the single phase, but there is no rule said single phase house being equiped with 6 air-cond then may void the fire insurance coverage. Single Phase are allow to go up to 63Amps, giving 25% safety margin is 47.25 Amps, and using 230v, is 10867 Watt. it can drive 10 HP in total. Is still more than 3AC The 50Amps is after the safety margin of 63Amps This post has been edited by weikee: Aug 13 2014, 10:11 AM
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weikee
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Aug 16 2014, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 16 2014, 12:34 PM) Took a look at my DB and It appears that I have 63A for my main fuse. But realised that I don't see any fiber ready connection in storeroom or a telephone port at the back? What is fiber/tel line got to do with electrical?
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weikee
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Aug 16 2014, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 16 2014, 02:07 PM) Has nothing to do with electrical but seeing that the fiber point is supposed to be put in the storeroom with the DB, I reckon I will have to install the fiber point. Depend where you want your equipment at. It usually at TV area because unifi come with TV subscription. Unless you have already prepare LAN point.
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weikee
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Aug 17 2014, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 16 2014, 03:37 PM) Sure.
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weikee
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Aug 17 2014, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 17 2014, 01:32 PM) if your load is more then 40A, then you should change the the main ELCB, also i would recommend to put in another ELCB for heater. Rccb will be better. It have to wired on the output to the water heater. Not in the distribution box.
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weikee
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Sep 7 2014, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 7 2014, 02:19 PM) Our house power supply is 240V. Most of the appliances in our house only pulling 0.2-1A, while water heater, washing machine, air cond will be more, maybe 2-5A during normal run. So, 40A direct pull is like you simply pull a wire and put it to another(life to neutral direct). The heat generation will be very high and melt the wire. I've seen this in my work place. The copper also melted. Electric stove can pull up to 15amps some 20amps. Instant Water heater if switch to max (rainy) can go up to 13amps constant up to 15mins some people take 30mins bath will draw 30mins of 13amps
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weikee
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Sep 7 2014, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 7 2014, 06:18 PM) Max or typical? There are difference on them. As if they are pulling max all the time, I'm sure the wire won't last long. Wires will last if use correct rating. For stove depend how many burner used. Water heater depend weather. If using water kettle is also around 10amps.
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weikee
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Sep 14 2014, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 14 2014, 05:30 PM) Missed out this. Well, your "guide" are too general. Will Pensonic's 2000W will consume same power as Panasonic? It won't as the actual current draw will vary on the component used. Not to mention the efficiency on it. Check the product spec.
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weikee
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Sep 14 2014, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Sep 14 2014, 05:38 PM) There's 2 wire. yes, around 10 houses. I show a picture for clear view [attachmentid=4133475] meter [attachmentid=4133476] The 4 cable I mention Using the existing cables really depend, if many already using 3phases on the cables you may have to tap from the pole. Tnb will be advice you. Is your internal wiring already made to accommodate 3phases? This post has been edited by weikee: Sep 14 2014, 05:54 PM
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weikee
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Sep 14 2014, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Sep 14 2014, 05:55 PM) I think I need to tap from tnb pole. And no, my house were build on 1995 something hehe  Tap from the poles need more work, and will cost you substantial too. Meter need to be outside. Do yoi know your current main fuse ratting is? 32 or 63? If your house only have 10+- MCB, no point adding 3 phases. You need to know what is your average load, and what is your peak load. Is the peak load that are important.
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weikee
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Sep 14 2014, 11:36 PM
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If the cables across houses are still withing limit, tnb can use the existing cables. If few others houses already on 3 phases, they will ask home owner to tap from the pole, and the installation fees are higher.
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weikee
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Sep 15 2014, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Sep 15 2014, 09:18 AM) For my case it'd definitely underground Jo. Coz I will relocate my meter from inside to outside. That runner already asked me to prepare a 4" pipe connecting to my meter Will be more expensive, how substantial I am not sure. Do update us the price, good to know. On the +ve side, it look much better if meter are outside. For single phase, cabling after meter into house is prepare by house owner. Assuming 3 Phases should be the same, and do over spec the cable (thicker than standard cables)
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weikee
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Sep 15 2014, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Sep 15 2014, 03:01 PM) You can used armoured 4 core 16mm size. Or even better 25mm cables. 16mm2 is the standard use right? Now I see many only use 10mm2. 25mm2 will be superb  Can take up 80Amps per phase load no problem
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weikee
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Sep 15 2014, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 15 2014, 09:29 PM) 25mm amour cable running underground doesn't cut cost. That cost a lot.  Invest one time can last many years.
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weikee
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Sep 21 2014, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Sep 21 2014, 10:18 PM) I see. Okok But I think can easily get over 300 days a year la We got sunlight also cloudy too.
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