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post Jan 15 2013, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ Jan 14 2013, 05:50 PM)
Wil the cost end up the same as regular times or will there still be savings.?
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Probably lower. Go and register lah. See what is the cost. If cost really low, than sambung lor. No harm.
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post Jan 17 2013, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(madcow1 @ Jan 17 2013, 10:36 AM)
Anyone can help with electrical wiring ?

My condo living room ceiling light go off and I decided to change the whole thing. After I dismantle the old one, the whole batch of the light (including fan and other room lights) cannot be turn on now.

The wiring from the ceiling light got only 2 cable connecting to a plastic connector but the ceiling got 4 wiring, 2 others in green and black which I never touch when dismantle the old ceiling light. Can I just leave it there or could these 2 wires came out from somewer ?

Any idea what went wrong ? Thank in advance all sifus here.

Sorry, no pictures b'cos it is kinda dark and I go to work before the sun rise and reach home after sunset.
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You have to take picture for easy understand. Give you wrong infor will shortcircuit your whole house electric.

Best is ask electrician have a look.
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post Jan 17 2013, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(madcow1 @ Jan 17 2013, 05:02 PM)
Ask Electrian to do 2 ceiling light will cost how much roughly? Will try to take picture later tonite.
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Not sure. All the while, I DIY only.

Try search around here. Some body got post before the rate.
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post Jan 18 2013, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(madcow1 @ Jan 18 2013, 02:00 PM)
Thank for the guide.

If I dun wan to install the light now, can I just pair the black copper wire with the black wires together and leave the green one as it is so the others light and fan can run again ?
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Do not leave any bare copper wire outside. Tape the expose copper wire. Or put inside the connector and screw it securely.

Expose wire can cause shortcircuit, fire and dangerous to life.
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post Nov 11 2013, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(ryan3721 @ Nov 11 2013, 01:57 AM)
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Hi i am new in this wiring thing. May I know if the above pic the wiring is single phase or 3 phase?  Thank you.
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Single phase
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post Jun 26 2014, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(desmond5529 @ Jun 26 2014, 02:16 PM)
As I understand, our 3-phase voltage is 415v and single-phase voltage is 240v.  Will there be any issue using single phase 240v appliances under 415v 3-phase?  I have an electric motor rated at 380v, can I use it under 415v?
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In tnb supply, 240v is come from 415v.

You can't use 380v rate motor on 415v supply. Risk of burn the stator coil.
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post Aug 12 2014, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 12 2014, 09:19 PM)
Hm let's say.

If I plan to install another 2 aircons in the house at a later time which will make it a total of 3 in the house. I would have to change to 3 phase?

But as far as I can see, a single bungalow has no problem running all 3 aircons on a single phase.
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No problem with single phase. Given you have 2hp of 3 aircon and 2hp fridge running together, it draw 6kw.

You can run anything together total not more than 12kw.
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post Aug 18 2014, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Aug 18 2014, 01:43 AM)
Firstly, changing your ELCB rating from 40A to 63A is not as simple as plug n play. You need to check whether your incoming cable diameter able to coup with it or not. If it can't coup it, might just burden the cable.
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The ELCB didnt control the Amp flowing. It just state there that it max can handle is 40A.

The wire shouldn't be problem. Since your main fuse is 63A. It well over the rate.
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post Sep 15 2014, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Sep 15 2014, 09:27 PM)
Yes. 16mm is actually standard size to be used for 3 phased. if we don't really exceed 60A i don't see the need of 3 phased. can just used single phase with 25mm 2 core to cut cost.
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25mm amour cable running underground doesn't cut cost. That cost a lot. sweat.gif
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post Oct 1 2014, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(gustoburger @ Oct 1 2014, 10:59 AM)
A few times it tripped and my aircond guy told me better change to 3 phase. Easier. What do u think?
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You need to find out what cause the trip. Easier of what?
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post Oct 2 2014, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(ketan1785 @ Oct 2 2014, 11:53 AM)
Have been neighbours for long time already.
So trying to avoid the tension if it does not cause anything serious.  laugh.gif
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You can just ask and inform them tripping and fire at the connection. Show them the problem. Create some story to tell probably some house overload, many electrical applicance bla, bla , bla. Maybe 1 day burn down my house bla bla bla.

This doesn't hurt your relation and also make them aware the situation. In your neighbour heart, they know what to do.
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post Oct 23 2014, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Oct 23 2014, 11:43 AM)
What are the purpose of having multimeter?
If really worth it, i will go and get one.  biggrin.gif
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If you don't have any basic knowledge of electrical, forget it. Your multimeter just endup in dust.
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post Oct 23 2014, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 23 2014, 12:51 PM)
Is better to set the correct expectation. I don't want someone come and haunt me.
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Just get 4D lor.
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post Jan 8 2015, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(chuen87 @ Jan 7 2015, 11:48 PM)
Hie guys, im currently renovating my house and am considering if i should apply for 3 phase wiring.

My house would have the following:-
1) 7 (1) hp aircond. ( will usually on four during night time)
2) 2 fridge
3) 1 centralised water heater
4) 3 televisions

house age is approximately 25 yo, the eletrician changed some of the internal wiring not sure of the balance.

anyways was quoted 7k all in.

Please advise thanks
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Just learn some basic power usage calculation how much a single phase max can load. You will know how to control your house electrical appliance if you know the number.

Single phase can max load 63Ax240V = 15Kw. But that is fuse trip point. So you need to reduce to maybe 80% usage. 15Kw x 80% =12KW max load.

Everytime you buy a electrical appliance, it got state the power consumption in Watt(W) or kilowatt(Kw). If it state in ampere (A), than multiply it with 240V (2Ax240V=480w) Take all the number and total up. It cannot exceed your max house load of 12Kw. Example,

7 aircon 1HP (750w) x7 = 5.25Kw
2 Fridge maybe 300w x2 = 600w
1 heater maybe 4kw = 4Kw
3 TV maybe 100w = 300w.

Total = 5.25Kw + 0.6Kw + 4Kw + 0.3Kw = 10.15Kw. So you only left for 2Kw for others like light, WM, pc etc... But you know that you don't use all the electrical appliance at the same time.

If 2Kw not enough for others, than apply for 3phase.

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post Mar 1 2015, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(likwho @ Mar 1 2015, 11:00 AM)
To be precise, 1,2,3,5,6(25biji),7.
If the rest on but two heater don't use I will have 30A standby right ?

Add on: who can tell me how many kW this specs consumes ? Assume on at lowest temp
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...4mkh.specs.html

Calculate based on hp->kw or follow the table there ?? Blur with the specs
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It is a 2.5HP or 2,640W input. It state at the below electricity.

Follow the table if it got write down. That is actual of the power input.
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post Mar 1 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(likwho @ Mar 1 2015, 03:17 PM)
The above 6.96 kW is what ?
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It is a heat exchange capacity.
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post Mar 1 2015, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(likwho @ Mar 1 2015, 08:10 PM)
Based on this box, is it mean that there's two 63A?
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Happen to me again now.
4 downright are on, 2 fridge, the rest all off,
Number 5 item tripped. What's happening here
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It is a fuse holder with both Live and Neutral isolated. Should be just 1 fuse base on the diagram state.

The rcca trip is probably something short circuit. Isolated the point and check which 1 cause by it. Stop using it if you found it.
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post Mar 3 2015, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(likwho @ Mar 3 2015, 09:44 PM)
Today I just contacted the wiring man, I kena ejek by him. Cuz he was persuading me to use 3 phase due to I have 4 Aircond. He told me I have 2.5hp, 1.5hp, 2 x 1hp confirm must use 3 phase or else it will trip. So I calculate the power consumption to him and said its not even 60A how come will trip, he said it doesn't count that way, then kena ejek. So I wanna get confirmation with u guys, is he right or we(all forumers) are right?
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You have to tell us more detail. If not we have hard time to understand your actual situation and just guessing only.

How does it trip? How long it happen? What is your pattern usage.

The rcca trip is not cause by overload. It main is to protect short circuit. A spoil electrical appliances that probably life threaten.

If your consumption is over, the sfu-63 inside the fuse will blow out. Leave you everytime need to change the fuse.

This are the mostly basic scenario will happening. There is still many cause which need you to tell in detail.
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post Mar 3 2015, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(likwho @ Mar 3 2015, 10:40 PM)
Hi sorry for confusion .
My meaning is that by what he told me, he meant that even if others not on and u have this 4 air conditioning on, it will be tripped. Even 2.5 + 1.5 will cause trip d, this is based on his experience. He said very hard to explain to me sad.gif
For the short circuit wires, already sorted out which one is short circuited . Already block that switch from switching on d currently. I'm just asking is it the current is not calculated that way or that's not the way we count current?
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So now I understand is, the rccb trip is not cause by the aircon. But other thing that you already solve it and isolated it.

There is no trip and all your electrical applicance are running fine. Right ?

It is just you worry about the tripping or overload and you want to have a 3phase. Because the electrician advise too ?

What I don't understand is, if there is nothing happen since you have using for that long, what trigger you to think to have 3phase? Are you going to have more electrical applicance?

The basically calculation is correct. Of course there is more advance electrical calculation that probably will get you rclxub.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Mar 3 2015, 11:05 PM)
3 phase Aircon like cassette 2.5hp and above, most use in banks.
Especially on York ceiling model
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I have seen 5hp or more in residential.

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