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ozak
post Mar 22 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Mar 22 2012, 04:31 PM)
erm, this one based on the boss is ori and sirim approve, selling at dealer pricing. usually the price is hw much? maybe later i snap some photo and see.
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I not sure what is the price.

You can just ask another shop with not dealer price and compare.

Anything too cheap will raise the alarm.
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post Jun 19 2012, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jun 18 2012, 04:50 PM)
you paid finished before he done his work?  shakehead.gif
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If you already using and no problem, don't waste your money lah. Just use single phase will do.
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post Jun 19 2012, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ Jun 19 2012, 03:57 PM)
At present moment have to live with it lah.
Money all paid... and i mean ALL PAID  cry.gif
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Man, why so many con man around. Sick of it.

Go and stalk him.
ozak
post Nov 17 2012, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(creativespikes @ Nov 17 2012, 01:09 AM)
blink.gif I checked with my contractor(very very close friend with me) he die die also don't wan to help me to convert 3phase. 3 persons only staying in a hse, why waste $$. But I was thinking, to add fuse box & standby for future use.
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Why you want to waste the money to convert something that not neccessary?

Don't be so good lah to TNB.
ozak
post Nov 18 2012, 11:56 PM

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I don't understand why people keep on thinking want to pay more for the bill. Are they really rich to think use as much electricity as possible?

If my bill over rm100, Gigi sudah sakit.
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post Nov 19 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Nov 19 2012, 01:37 PM)
Yup, just a short while high peak, later it will goes back to the normal A.
That is why usually those contractor will ask the house owner try not to ON a few units of aircond at the same time.
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The current rushing is not even over 1sec. Just 0.5 or less. The main fuse won't blow at all.

All this possibility, I have conduct experiment before.
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post Nov 19 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 19 2012, 01:45 PM)
Wonder how can the house owner switch on the same time? Even after power trip, the A/C auto on is also random timed, that was one of the reason the random switch on time was design.


Added on November 19, 2012, 1:47 pmAh well, maybe we have many well to do home owner, target to have lots of high HP a/c switch on, and few hundreds lights switch on daily. Ok to pay for TNB.

Maybe I should buy TNB share already smile.gif
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Fast, go buy the share.

I heard the rate will increase next yrs. TNB ceo and the petronas ceo have no idea how to absorb the extra subsidy anymore. The raw material like gas and coal is already increase.


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post Nov 19 2012, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Nov 19 2012, 05:08 PM)
It is possible i think, just the chance is super slim.
I always play with this motor or heater and conduct actual test of the ampere running. With the instrument checking, I can see how much the current rushing and how fast it will drop. Even I can put in the same amp fuse without blow it in short time.

Don't worry about the rushing current or bla bla bla. Even if the single phase running max amp, I can simply replace the fuse with a bigger 1. tongue.gif
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post Nov 22 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Nov 22 2012, 09:27 AM)
Then we confirm here, 3 phases is not necessary unless under 'special' circumstances.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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The proper way is to check your whole house electrical applicance wattage using. Than total up the wattage. Some not using everydayo, minus out.

Weikee already state that as long as it doesn't over 14,400watt total usage, you don't neeed change to 3phase.
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post Nov 22 2012, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(supercolossal @ Nov 22 2012, 09:53 AM)
If my monthly bill is about RM250 with total usage about ~600KwH. Can somebody help me calculate the current load on the single phase?
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It can't be calculate in this way.

You need a current meter/ thong meter to check the actual usage.
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post Nov 29 2012, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(iraz @ Nov 29 2012, 04:15 PM)
sifus,

would like to share my experience changing fr 1 phase to 3 phase. i had no idea the financial impact until i went thru the ordeal....All below are TNB cost alone.

Just renovated my semiD house. Since I have 13 AC plus some other equipments, I decided to change to 3 phase.
1. TNB Meter location was at next to one of the gate pillar. Since I expand the gate, I need to relocate the meter (and change 1 phase to 3phase meter). The cost to relocate the meter is a whopping RM8.5K - just to terminate the old 1 phase and relocate.
2. Cost to pull new 100A cable (3 phase) from TNB substation (50m away) to the new meter is another RM8.9K. This one is really bothersome as TNB needs to apply permit from local council to dig the road etc.

Work scope 1 and 2 involved two different departments from TNB.

I am still waiting for TNB to lay the new cable and currently my house is powered using the old 1 phase still. Note I am not using all the ACs, the most is 5 AC at a time.

My question: is item 1 is really reasonable/necessary - I cannot believe 8.5K just to terminate the 1 phase cable and relocate. Any feedback appreciated.
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Have you finish renovate and enjoying staying? Or still doing the renovation?

If you already staying and running 1phase, than continue using it and monitor any fuse blow that cause by overcurrent. (overuse) If it didn't happen, than save your money.

But if you pay everything already, than no choice but continue your 3phase.
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post Dec 13 2012, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(mccool @ Dec 12 2012, 12:43 PM)
My house was caught in fire 3 days ago because of newly install TNB meter. Luckily there was no one injuired in this incident and only my shoe rack were burn completely,heavy duty tiles are crack, my ceiling turns black, fortunately I didn't park my car near there but I am really really angry and frustrated with TNB and contractor "Tai Chi" style working attitude. First this TNB blame us of overloading the meter. Come on lah...my husband and I were not around. Nobody was in the house. How to overload?

Then wireman contractor saying that not his fault, definitely can ask TNB for compensation. What he did? He took some photos, collect evidence and so on.....

Then he ask TNB come to discuss with us. You know what the TNB guy saying?
He said it caused by internal problem 'malapetaka' or is 'natural disaster'.
"The spark came from the TNB meter ..but... because of the shoe rack underneath then cause the fire happen." Then the contractor added:"might because of some papers and other flammable material putting on top of the rack."

Their negligence is jeopardizing our safety.
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Have you ask what is the actual cause? The wire loose connection and cause sparking. Or the meter is fault. Try make a claim at the TNB office.

My friend sis house got surge and spoil some electrical applicance. Go TNB claim. First deny their problem. After point to some neighbour also have same problem, than start to admit. Probably they already know after many complain from same area. Now enjoying new TV, fridge etc..

When repairing, try to place the meter at the side of the gate. That will put the meter far away from the house. Most of the new house meter is beside the gate now.
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post Dec 13 2012, 10:26 AM

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It happen to my beside neighbour too. 1 night of nowhere, the wire joint connecting box catch fire and burn out. Just beside the house front door. Lucky a small burn out. This joint is extend by TNB when neigbour do renovation.

It is the connecting oxidise/loose. It will get hot and eventually melt and burn.

Normally a high voltage cable joint need to seal it properly with somekind of potting material.
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 13 2012, 10:37 AM)
Think also need to see where the supply is. If the house is first half of the entire row of the house it need proper "solder" or sealing material. If after that the supply current have drop, proper tight screw to join both the cables are good already. But they have to measure the heat for safety.

I have test using the laser heat measurement tool (borrow from my friend workshop), few round test the measurement on the join box look reasonable. hopefully stay like that.
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It is the beginning wire come from the pole.

The measurement have to conduct at night to get the max result. Which is the highest load.
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post Dec 19 2012, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Dec 19 2012, 12:19 PM)
the bigger fuse can take it. but can ur existing cable take it continuously? even if u change to bigger cable, u still cant change the incoming, as it is TNB's property.


Added on December 19, 2012, 12:21 pm3 phase is not needed, if:

a) ur load can be handled by single phase
b) u dun need 400V supply

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The main TNB wire anytime can handle over 300A. The wire that come into your elcb can handle 100A. And it is very short lenght. The load it not for a single device and it is for distribute. (the whole house)

The changing of the fuse is not like change it to double the amount. And this is for the knowledge people to do it. Not advise for ordinary people.


Added on December 19, 2012, 9:50 pm
QUOTE(endau02 @ Dec 19 2012, 02:35 PM)
ok fixed. thnx n sorry for that.

last time was 415V, now its drop to 400V. simple as that.
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Are you sure now the voltage drop to 400V? My working place still showing 415-420V. And the single phase still give crazy 250v.

This post has been edited by ozak: Dec 19 2012, 09:50 PM
ozak
post Dec 20 2012, 12:27 AM

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Tha changing seem like no meaning at all. 400 + 10% and 415 + 5% ?

And mostly now the electrical applicance manufacturing don't put the voltage at 230v anymore. All state at 240v. Have you realize it? I have long forgotten when they change it from 230v. It seems like opposite way?

Mostly I deal with Japan voltage which is 100v for single phase and 200v for 3phase/2phase. So I didn't realize what the TNB is changing. ( and seems no change at all)
ozak
post Jan 14 2013, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jan 13 2013, 11:12 PM)
neighbour got 3-phase will affect my house?
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Why? your house light flickling?

No such thing as effect your house electricity.
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post Jan 14 2013, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jan 14 2013, 11:56 AM)
ozak,no ar gonna reno house soon so i tot wanna save money n upgrade if needed smile.gif since need to do rewiring anyhow.
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Ada budget, than go for it. If you don't think going to use that much electric (have a saving mindset), than 1phase is enough.

Use that extra money to extend your house another yard. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 14 2013, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jan 14 2013, 01:41 PM)
if hse haf 1 freezer n 1 fridge ok rite if 1 phase...
adi planned to do extension coz ori hhse design waste alot of land area =(
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Freezer dont't consume alot. Saver than fridge. Not a problem with 1 phase.
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post Jan 14 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jan 14 2013, 01:56 PM)
recently i heard TNB giving free installation on 3-phase, is that true?
http://www.sinarharian.com.my/nasional/tnb...16-jan-1.119588
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A lot of hidden cost. Maybe free at installation. But will charge you application fee lah, meter cost lah, parts cost lah. Macam macam fees. sad.gif

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