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post Jun 9 2015, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(nyunyu @ Jun 8 2015, 07:49 PM)
Guys, am I correct to assume a house with 4x 1.5hp & 1x 2.0hp cassette aircond, Medium sized fridge, 16kg washing machine, 2 water heaters, 24/7 NAS, 24/7 CCTV DVR, 24/7 PC running would benefit more from 2 phase than a regular 1 phase circuitry?

Any disadvantages other than can't really using powerline plug between phases?
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I think you mean 3phase?

There is no benefit either you run single phase or 3 phase. You still consume a lot of power. Why you need a 3phase is because your electrical apps will overload the single phase.

Each phase of wire have no link to each other in your house. So the data can't be transfer to another phase of wire using powerline plug.
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post Oct 13 2015, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(wychoo @ Oct 13 2015, 02:34 PM)
Looking for some advise. My house is already connected to 3 phase.
Red phase connected to downstairs with two 1.5HP aircon, one 2 HP aircon and one water heater.
Yellow phase connected to upstairs with also two 1.5HP aircon and two 2 HP aircon and two smaller fridge.
Blue Phase connected to the kitchen with one fridge, one 2.5 HP aircon and one water heater.

At night everyone is upstairs, so yellow phase will be heavily loaded. Is it recommended to distribute the upstairs power to other phases.
It will be a major re-wiring to bring the other two phases to the upstairs distribution box.

Thanks in advance.
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The phase distribute is ok. 1.5+2+2hp (4.2kw) is still well below the phase limit which is 63A (15kw)perphase. Not to worry.
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post Jun 21 2016, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Jun 20 2016, 06:42 PM)
Well, I do understand this from the beginning. Only sinkalan like you refuse to accept your mistake. Even when I applied for electricity supply, the old version form stated > 2 air cond already need 3 phase.
No doubt applying 3 phase need to pay more, but they will reduce the deposit by "paying" your monthly bills when your monthly usage are lesser.
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You guys been arguing since Long right? 😄

The Tnb is very conflict and no detail in explanation about this need 3P. Use over 50kw should be the best guide. But add in another 2aircon require to 3P is begin to conflict the 50kw. Tnb should teach the user how to calculate the total usage of electrical appliances in a home limit before switch to 3P.

3P doesn't save your bill. It only save the Tnb bill. Our meter use kWh to bill you. Not power factor or unbalance load. If you operate a factory, yes, you will kena fine.
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post Jun 21 2016, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Jun 21 2016, 12:45 PM)
Well, TNB's statement indeed are too general and I would say it is quite misleading in some sense.
Anyway, just put a probe on a plug point, it is showing 250V.
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It is quite normal. Specially when less user or some line unbalance usage in your area.

I do find sometime as high as 252V. sweat.gif Last time when I have a stabilizer, it keep switch jump.
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post Nov 18 2016, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Nov 17 2016, 10:54 PM)
It is depending greatly on the wireman you hired. Some will do a proper job while some will not.
Rightfully each phase should be serving equal load, like each phase serves 2 air conds if you have a total of 6 air conds. You won't be getting a true balanced load if each phase serves a particular section, like 1 phase just to serve 1st floor, 1 for kitchen and another for living. In this case, you will end up with 1 phase running on higher load which defeat your goal.
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As long as you're not running a factory, it is fine to have some unbalance phase. It doesn't effect anything.

As long as each phase doesn't exit the 60A, it is fine. Doesn't matter 1st phase is 10A and 2nd is 50A or 3rd phase is 5A.

Resident are charge according to the wattage using.

Compare to the factory which will be penalise with low power factor.
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post Nov 18 2016, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Nov 18 2016, 09:50 AM)
Nope, not that right. If at the end of day only 1 phase out of 3 that running higher load, it don't serve any purpose of load balancing.
Using 3 phase in residential are overkill in some sense but if it is already in 3 phase, is still good to balance the load, this is more to keep the wire cool.
Remember, heat generated = higher resistance.
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Load balancing is only effect the TNB. Who care the TNB.

Unless the meter will charge you with the power factor also, we won't care about it.

It doesn't overload the wire as long as that phase is between 60A using limit. Just like single a phase.

I don't think you and me will going to buy those 3P electrical thing to use. 415v is too danger in my home.

The purpose of TNB asking us to change to 3phase is

1) if you have too many electrical appliances. Running like a factory. Single phase definitely not enough.
2) TNB have unbalance load. Causing the low power factor.
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post Dec 20 2016, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(cyberkoh88 @ Dec 20 2016, 10:47 AM)
thanks bro for your update. anyway yesterday night do testing, open 3 heater and open 3 aircon (total 3.5HP)  on the same time. after 10-15 minutes, cutout fuse (next to Tenage Meter) blow. my whole house no electricity. no choice, ask that electrician to come to do troubleshooting. just found out that my cutout fuse only 30A, no wonder blow. So ask him to change the cutout fuse to 100A. On the same time, requested him to change the 40A RCD (maxguard) to 100A and the 60A DP Isolator (maxguard) to 100A as well. And also ask him to change one of the MCB (20A) to 40A (because one of my room aircon power use water heater point to do looping, worry if open aircon/water heater on the same time, will overload, so as precaution ask him to change to 40A). All together quote me RM400, no choice, need to take it coz already ask him to settle my cutout fuse blow.
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Electrical have rule to follow. Not what you want 100A this and that.

Max single phase is 60A. So everything must be content in 63A. Fuse or isolator. More than that, advise you to get 3phase.

Your single room heater and aircon share the same point is not recommend. Even you change the MB to 40A, your wire spec exceed the actual current running. Heater 3.6kw and aircon 1.5HP 1.2kw = 4.8kw. Your 2.5mm wire is running hot.

As a precaution, separate into 2 point with 2pcs MB is the proper way.


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post Dec 24 2016, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(cyberkoh88 @ Dec 24 2016, 09:43 AM)
After consult with all sifu here,decided to change cutout fuse to 63A, RCD change to 63A to match My current DP insulator 63A, MCB decided not to upgrade to bigger amp,decided to rewiring my aircon point to nearest power socket (looping) instead of sharing with current water heater point. Thanks for all the sifu advise here,appreciated.
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If rewiring, put a 4mm wire. Anything you want to rewiring.

It is for your future expansion and saving.
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post Dec 24 2016, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 24 2016, 11:16 AM)
Hehe,  like my house after renovating,  the most things I have is independent socket.  All with individual mcb, and independent db box breaker for ground and first floor.
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When have a chance to upgrade, why not make some different.

Not cost that must. But have more benifit.
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post Feb 22 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(silverong @ Feb 22 2017, 04:14 PM)
Hello, my house have 6 AC (1 x 1.5hp, 3 x 1hp, 2 x 2hp) and 4 water heater with pump. Normally it is max to 4 AC open in sleep time. Am I need to change from single phase to 3 phases?
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When your fuse start to blow or the main MCB trip, than change it.
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post Feb 23 2017, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Feb 23 2017, 01:32 PM)
My house garden lighting all burn off. Very frequent happen after install new bulbs. Interested to do for me?
Or do you do solar power lighting?
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If your home light have no problem but the garden light always blow out, very much got to do with weather.

The weather and temperature vary outside cause moisture and heat. Electronic thing inside the bulb like CFL or LED sure will kfc.
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post Mar 21 2017, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(conan86 @ Mar 21 2017, 04:09 PM)
hi all .. just a small question since i have searched whole jalan pasar n couldnt find what im looking for ..
is there by any chance a white cable instead of the usual grey
[attachmentid=8621833] example of the white cable

and if its only grey available in malaysia .. how do i pick the good quality ones
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Walk whole jln pasar and cannot find a white cable? How about behind the jalan pasar. (Behind public Bank)

Try ACE. But sometime there have orange.

The cable should have print the manufacturing name.
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post Jul 28 2017, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Jul 28 2017, 10:28 AM)
even if you swith on all those 6 ACs and all 4 water heater at the same time, total amp still below 70 Amp. single phase can carry up to max 100A.
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Cannot yo.

Single phase max is 60A.
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post Jul 28 2017, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Jul 28 2017, 11:39 AM)
my tnb cable rated 100 Amp
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Check your fuse, breaker and RCD what rating.
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post Jan 10 2018, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Eithanius @ Jan 10 2018, 02:19 PM)
I was told by an electrician that if upgraded to 3-phase meter and under-utilising it, tnb will also charge extra... and I was advised by 2 separate electricians against upgrading the tnb meter unless i see the need...

Any truth to that...?
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What extra TNB charging?
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post Jan 12 2018, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Jan 12 2018, 12:49 PM)
My apartment 3 phase. Last month Red wire burnt cos too high consumption
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Your red wire is not having high consumption.

But corroded cause high resistance at that particular length.

High consumption will trip your breaker or burn the fuse.
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post Jan 12 2018, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Jan 12 2018, 01:31 PM)
My wireman told me the wire at the fuse there not properly tighten. Suspect spark from there

He also say 4 AC & heater are all connected to that Red wire. Now redistribute properly to Yellow & Blue
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It is not spark. But heat up for very long cause of high resistance.

Not properly tighten is also 1 of the cause.

Check all the connection for properly tighten. Even at the mcb side.
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post Jan 12 2018, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 12 2018, 09:06 PM)
Loose connections mean high resistance, causing voltage drop, increase current drawn on appliance, this in turn increase heat build up on the loose connections (i²r)
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This TNB fuse side pretty common get fire. My neighbor also kena in the middle of the night and trip the whole role of house.

Once a while, takeout the fuse and check the screw and connection. Check the fuse copper connection got change color or not.


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post May 14 2018, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(dctrue @ May 14 2018, 10:34 AM)
So bro roughly 15kw max PER phase?

And if unbalance current phasing example
Red 2kw
Blue 3kw
Yellow 14kw

Then will trigger TNB come to check?
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If you're resident, nothing will happen.

If you're commersial, you get penalty.
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post May 14 2018, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(dctrue @ May 14 2018, 10:53 AM)
Cause I’m running mining rig at 1 room.

I’m willing to pay for TNB but I not willing to trigger them (especially local council / any thieves)

My total rig at that room would be around 60A now.
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Just use all the 3P to balance it.

As long as in resident unit, you're fine. They will just send a letter to tell you, you 're wasting the energy.

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