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post May 18 2008, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ May 18 2008, 12:57 AM)
any1 got links about suggies causing human sickness? i heard that some countries ban them cos of it from a link some1 post about national geo on suggies..
wanna check cos i'm having nausea with the smell of my suggies.. dun know if it's just me or r they causing it to me..
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They ban firstly coz it is an exotic species, there may be chances where they can interfere with the natural fauna and flora if released.... but mostly coz exotic species.

Nausea from smell... it is coz of the pee lah.... clean your cage often. Best is don't put in your room but put their cage in an open and airy area.

All animals carry bacteria but they are harmless. We humans have dunno how many types of bacteria living on our skin, hair, mouth, saliva and in our eyes, but it is all harmless.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ May 18 2008, 01:57 PM)
i think is pee smell.. its a musky smell.. something like moldy milk powdery smell.. not sure..
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That is normal, especially males loh. All you need to do is move their cage to an airy place. To be honest, I actually keep my gliders outdoors coz of my dad. But then the area is safe and my cages all got locks so no accidents would happen lah. So the smell doesn't bother my family.

What you can do is purchase an odour eliminator.... Ask Pet Shack to recommend you the brand. I have one but I use for my dog LOL.... you mix into the drinking water, and it helps with pee odour. Well, you can try but I can't say 100% affective lah.

Another way is to over power the smell a bit. I normally buy air fresheners, not spray types but those gel type that can last a month. The perfume is very light, chemicals not as bad as those sprays too. Well, these are just a few ideas for you.

QUOTE(kerell @ May 18 2008, 06:10 PM)
i hv a question here..i bought gliderSLURP(mix fruit) last week..but seems that my glider doesnt want to eat it..not even touch it..what can i do to make the glider take it??? any suggestion?
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You gotta just feed gliderSLURP alone. Put the bowl in the cage overnight. Do not feed anything else like mealworms or fruits.

Sometimes got a few cases. 9 out of 10 gliders normally like Slurp. Some are so addicted to it. All my 7 enjoy Slurp alot.

QUOTE(spirit of demon @ May 19 2008, 07:13 AM)
hello, may i know..
glider needs a lot of water in their daily diet?
coz.. i seldom c my glider go n drink or lick the water...
1 week past.. i saw the bottle decrease 1ml.. dun know is evaporate or wat..haha..
will they die in dehydration...
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Gliders don't really drink much water. In the wild, they take dew and also the sap from trees.... since we feed so much fruits and watery stuff to them, they are perfectly ok drinking little amounts of water.

QUOTE(sharil_routh @ May 19 2008, 12:10 PM)
My suggie sneeze.... is something wrong happen to her?
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Glider sneeze normal lah. Something in the air or something in their nose.

QUOTE(dai86 @ May 19 2008, 01:20 PM)
hey guys, about fruit. maybe can try sengkuang. haha.. my three happy family member seems like sengkuang so much (of course have to change everytime lah). btw, my fatty like to eat vegie as well. just eat the leaves...
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Sengkuang is not really nutritious....

Not every veggie can be given too. Spinach, Bak Choy and Kai Lan cannot.

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Mealworms is still the best in my opinion.... coz gliders need insects so mealworms and crickets are the best for them. Chicken should only come as a substitute when there are no mealworms around for them lah.

Anyway, Petster still have not replied me with the time..... but we are all gonna meet on Sunday, 1st June.
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post May 20 2008, 05:25 PM

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Don't go an buy instant oats too.... not good as it can cause bad impaction and constipation. Rolled oats is the best.
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QUOTE(mikozai @ May 20 2008, 06:10 PM)
then must buy those need cook 1 ? supermarket got sell ? isit inside tin de ?


Added on May 20, 2008, 6:21 pmand...
is there any problem to let them breed if they are from the same parents ? bro and sis... lol...
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You do not need to cook the oats. Rolled oats is available at most super market. Just open your eyes abit when you are at the oats section.

About bro and sister glider... did a breeder sell you a brother and sister pair? OMG man.... that is so not good. You gotta neuter your male soon. Reason? Genetic problems and health problems. There may be even a shorter lifespan for those born joeys.

That is a big problem. Animals do not have emotion like us. We got common sense. We know from our family members, lovers, friends.... animals do not. They know their mom when they were young but once they mature, the male joey would see the mom as a potential mate only. In the wild, sometimes inbreeding happen but then it is rare. Even if it happens, the weak joeys would die or get eaten.... but in captivity, they may suffer if they survive. Don't practice this bro and sis thing if you are not gonna neuter the male.

Right now your main priority is to neuter the male once he reaches 5 months old.

QUOTE(orangecow @ May 20 2008, 07:16 PM)
how to? sorry im dumb...
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How what? Neutering? Read back, emino already posted his experience on neutering. You can also google glider neutering online.
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post May 21 2008, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(dai86 @ May 21 2008, 03:03 AM)
mmmm... bout the vegie, she will choose vegie to eat... only daun salad she like to eat.... sawi leh?? i mostly only will give daun salad lah, sincemy other pet eat that too. haha...
bout the sengkuang, of course got few type of food inside the cage lah. oat and small mammal pellet will be given everyday (but mostly the pellet are not being eaten), additional with baby food or yogurt, and another is fruit (cucumber, apple, sengkuang, papaya etc, since my house selling fruits. haha...) mostly 3 type of food a day will be given to them. so tak takut not enough nutrition. haha..


Added on May 21, 2008, 3:17 amby the way, what about father and daughter? hehe...
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Small mammal pellet? Not all local products are safe..... those green round pellets for hamsters are not good for gliders and not even good for hamsters. Oats, it should be fed sparingly as it can cause constipation. Daun salad... lettuce lah.... is not that nutritious either. The calcium content is low, lack of vitamins as well. Fiber is so so only, even tortoise shouldn't eat lettuce. Sawi is the best.

QUOTE(mikozai @ May 21 2008, 01:55 PM)
i hav it booking..but still considering wana buy from that breeder or not...so far i only know he is good breeder and giv me alot of the information..but the problem is i am buying a pair...i wonder will he giv me both from same parents or diffrent...so..what i am worried about is this..
btw, cage and all the stuff is already done and ready


Added on May 21, 2008, 1:59 pmbtw, dont mix up the chinese forum and here... this is both diffrent forum and there is no rules that i can only post it in only 1 forum rite ? smile.gif
and i am collecting more information b4 i get the gliders so i post it here and also others forum..so..isit illigal ?
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The breeder from cari.com? Coz I heard there got weird breeders..... as in they don't follow the proper way to keep and feed junk to their gliders.

QUOTE(mamata @ May 21 2008, 04:09 PM)
just some question,xena got tear on her membrane under her right arm
it's not bleeding but just worried when she stretch herself ,will the tear become bigger?
koyak itu akan menjadi lebih panjang ,is it dangerous for them to glide?
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can you get a clear pic? The tear is deep? You may need a vet to help you check and see if require stitching or not. Maybe a pic would help.

QUOTE(silverwineus @ May 21 2008, 05:29 PM)
May i ask, where is the easiest place you get milk for your gliders?
It seems thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif to me..


Added on May 21, 2008, 5:32 pm
O..a tear in the membrane..anyway we can't prevent them from stretching. I think it will somewhat affect gliding as their membrane is the instrument. You want to bring it see doc? But you can't put antiseptic cream on them, they will lick too..

What cause it to happen?
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Milk, it is the lactose free milk Pets Own, can be found at Pet Shack and also Mid Valley's Pets Wonderland.

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QUOTE(mikozai @ May 22 2008, 10:12 AM)
erm..thre is one question..
are we feeding em morning once and also night once ?
morning = fruit and night = worms ?
den somtimes play wit em will feed em slurpp wit spone ?
is this routine correct ? if not please correct me..i am still newbie T.T


Added on May 22, 2008, 11:03 ambtw, can i put my rambutan tree brancess for em to climb around ?
and rambutan tree branches got toxic ?
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Feeding, normally once in the morning and once at night. You can feed gliderSLURP and mealworms in 1 meal, then fruits the next meal. This is a healthier diet. Some members even feed gliderSLURP every other day to give variety.

Rambutan is a big NO. Mango tree also a big NO. Ciku tree also a big NO.... almost all our local fruit trees have toxic sap to gliders.

QUOTE(imbiroy @ May 22 2008, 12:07 PM)
SIFU AND SIMOU HERE'S, i would like to ask how big is the portion they eat per day, currently i fed them 1 tea spoon slurp, 5 meal worms, 1/4 small red apple, but it seem the slurp he can't finsih apple i think she eat 1 bite size only, and 3 meal worms.... err ... is this normal, yesterday is the first day to bring her to my home...

by the way she is only 2 months old
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Slurp should be fed on it's own during a meal. If you feed both, of course the glider would eat the gliderSLURP rather than the fruits. It is 1 teaspoon per glider. I can honestly say, my joeys can finish even 1 tablespoon. 1 got this joey that is free ranging in my room, she eats finish 1 teaspoon and she is only 10 weeks old. When I got her at 7 weeks old, makan banyak also.

Anyway, you shouldn't stress your joey too much on the 1st day. Let her eat and sleep by herself in her cage for at least 24 hours.... I still believe the best is letting it adapt to the new environment for about 2 days, then slowly intro your joey to the bonding pouch and carry around with you. Let your joey sit on your shoulder as you do things. Crabbing and making alot of fuss to jump away is normal. This is common for new joeys.


QUOTE(mikozai @ May 22 2008, 12:52 PM)
so to keep my fruit ...should i ready for em like at afternoon, den i put those fruit to refrige..den at night or tomorow only bring out feed em ?
is this methods wrong ?
and the slurp should keep in refrige oso rite ? they eat cold or need to make it abit normal temp only feed em ?
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GliderSLURP should be kept in the freezer at all times or it will go bad.

If you cut the fruits for more than a day and leave in the fridge, it won't be so fresh. Do what KP has advice you, which is to cut and feed right away.

QUOTE(thisiskj @ May 22 2008, 01:08 PM)
try hibiscus branches.. can let them eat the flower also rite sifus? =P cause got nectar..

normally my routine is like daytime i feed minor fruits.. small animal dry fruit treats.. some steam chicken if i'm eating em.. some water.. around 5 -8 meal worms..

night till early morning = slurp + different fruits + 5 meal worms + 1-3 tiny drop of vitagen in Slurp + my finger for them to bite.. and sometimes some yogurt..
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Very little nectar.... but it is fun for gliders to have fun chewing and nibble the flower. Roses are also edible but it has to be homegrown or organic roses lah. All blossoms, flowers, branches should be pesticide free and organic.

QUOTE(mikozai @ May 22 2008, 01:13 PM)
about the chicken...if they cook wit kicap or some other sos or with some oil..
can feed them those ? lol...
or need to wash the chicken meat only feed them ?
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Whoa.... we always say steam or boiled chicken. Who mention cook with kicap and oil? Come on, they are small animals, not human with super large liver. Their liver is small, meaning they cannot tolerate such kinda food.

QUOTE(bonai @ May 22 2008, 04:22 PM)
i dont have internet connection at my moms place...
streamyx is stupid!
i've never ever flamed any seller directly..
but this time i'll give it a shot!

kyin last time she came here to clear her arguments/misunderstanding..
she said she was accused to sell underage joeys..

but damn it, kyin u are selling underage joeys!
dare to flame me back..!!

I already met a few if your customers and saw the joey..
you could never ever question me as i saw it with my very own eyes..
so much for showing you love the joeys so much!!
all crap!

I'm not saying go buy from you or dont, i just want to state that what you posted before makes me wanna vomit coz it's all full of lies..
dare to COD with your customers in front of me.. i'll flame you & your customer on the spot..
if you didnt came here and tell nonsense, i wont bother to post this..

p/s - one of your customer's joey is with me now for nursing.. come to my house to see it for yourself.. btw, you dont have to come prove that you love them by taking it back to nurse it yourself.. the joey is fine with me.. no way i'm gonna give it to someone like you.. amd please don't say it makes you hurt to see me posting like this... all crap!!


Added on May 22, 2008, 4:23 pmoops forgot to add: if only you can prove that you're not selling underaged joeys, i'll take back my words.. for the time being, i'm not on your side at all...
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Betul ah? Got picture? So her joeys in the pictures don't really match in size? Kinda worrying to hear such things happening in the forum.
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Sigh, sad lah to hear that still underage are on sale and also telling people it is 2 months old. Kesian.

My joey baru OOP... later I show pic. tongue.gif

Anyway, updates on the gathering. Petster's managing editor just emailed, and said that I can have the talk at any time. I was wondering 2pm, you guys ok? The talk would be about 1 to 1.5 hours, depending on the crowd lah.
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Hahaha... I won't yak yak so long the whole time lah. There will be some FAQ, then for people to come and handle gliders. That's why it would be good if you guys with tame gliders to come and show people and let them handle a bit. Also there will be some display acts. I will get my gliders to do rope walking(or crawling LOL), then maybe a glider toss to show them the petagium of the glider, some details on cage and cage setting.... alot of things to talk and show lah hahahah. Diet summore leh.
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Whoa, ok ok... cool down guys. Is good that each of you wanna put the story straight, customers will know who is saying the truth lah about underage or not. This thread of course must stay informative, identifying unethical breeders is also good, like how we identify underage joeys sold at certain petshops.... so I think there is no point pulling the argument longer.

Anyway, tomorrow I will be at Pet Shack around 2pm. I'm gonna be one "crabby" person in the LRT as I will be carrying 4 joeys in 3 pouches hahahaah.
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QUOTE(jtl @ May 22 2008, 07:44 PM)
Wah, so many pages to read. Macam gaduh besar je kat sini.. Ishh... I read later la. Today my hubby's birthday. Want to go makan.

Emino, you coming tomorrow? Can go mamak again smile.gif

Hun, you coming at 2pm ah? Don't forget tomorrow Friday ah...sure quite jam...
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HAhaah.... happy birthday to your hubby.

Yah, I know jam loh.... so is either taxi... if cannot get taxi then I take bus and walk again loh hahaha.... or who wanna come and fetch me? tongue.gif

QUOTE(emino @ May 22 2008, 07:46 PM)
I'll come if gaji day. If not will stay at office crying like a hungry baby.
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Hahaha... gaji day, sure must get your new girl later.
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Hamster running ball? For what? Gliders? That's insane lah....
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Those balls... not suitable. It makes the glider insecure and trapped. It doesn't feel nice too. At least in their wheel, they can go in and out whenever they want. But a ball, it rocks back and forth when not on the move. And gliders pee and poo not like hamsters, so if they run, everything cover in pee and poo.... stinks.

You won't find any ball that is suitable for sugar gliders. If use hamster ball, lagi crazy coz you know why? SMALL lah.....
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No one is dumb.... just the question only was silly lah.

QUOTE(EvanSoon @ May 22 2008, 10:21 PM)
whats a kelambu???

Hun i that day saw extra big ball.. like soccer ball but slightly smaller.. i think for guinies 1..
but i know what u mean.. mine like to run in n out of their wheels..

orangecow no1 is dumb.. just read more.. than u will gain the knowledge..
i am willing to bet that hun has lots of books about animals at home.. the more diff pets she has the more books she has.. unless Hun only search online la.. haha.. so no need think ur self dumb or whatever..
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I also wanna know what is Kelambu

Ball for Guineas? Guinea Pig cannot fit loh, is more for hamsters. Most of the balls sold are for hamsters. Those extra big ones some people use for rats coz rats are very big rodents... but I don't think any animal would like to be confined in a ball.

Books, most of my books are on dogs, parrots, hamsters, pet encyclopedias, lots of pet magazines, fishes, cats, rats.... I got no books on sugar gliders yet, no books on hedgehogs, no books on snakes, no books on reptiles .... I gain my knowledge by searching online.
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Oh, mozzie tent.

Eh, emino... takda gambar pun?
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 23 2008, 01:15 AM)
Ok, today, while I am setting up my glider cage in preparation for the joeys tomorrow, I find it quite challenging to put the tunnel, hammock and sleeping pouch nicely.

Anyone want to share with me how you arrange your settings?
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Well, the arrangement is up to you. Normally in our type of cages, they got no urge to glide. More like just jump and hop around the cage. Sleeping pouch normally at the side, hammock you can put it hanging at the top area of the cage, Tunnel can be the middle area. Is up to you.

QUOTE(zoejehuty @ May 23 2008, 01:38 AM)
hey ask ask, if i diy my cage like the attachment, is it ok ?
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It looks fine. How big is the cage gonna be? Since you are using mesh, you don't really need a fan for it. The circulation is good enough.

QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 23 2008, 01:45 AM)
Oh, I really need to have a close look on how we should tie the wodent wheel. I cannot hentam saje, CFP. I want an optimal arrangement so it's not so cramped up.

Wondering if the cage need stairs... I will have to actually see them living in it to know things better. Experience = best teacher!
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Tie Wodent wheel.... I normally tie at the top with it's stand upside down. That saves space and it creates less noise.

Anyway, your joeys.... heheheh... hope you enjoy them. 1 is not so crabby, another is.... one has baby face and the other has a longer foxy face. Their age gap is about 1.5 weeks to 2 weeks apart.
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You can take a look at Pet Shack later, there got a cage with the stuff hung inside, so you can copy it hahahah. The platforms is up to you, for me, I use all the platforms but I use only 1 ladder. You can get some ideas with buying those natural ropes from hardware stores but before you use, you gotta soak in some mild soapy water and sun in for 1 whole day before usage lah.

Ok, I'm gonna go and handle your girls and also Yang's boy. Hahahah... I'm gonna be very crabby later....
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 23 2008, 09:51 AM)
I wanted to use all platforms but I see like it will be cramped up so I didnt. Hopefully you can post up a picture of your cage later.

Natural ropes from hardware store, soak in mild soapy water and sun in for 1 whole day... What's the reason with the soapy water?

Yes, I will copy Pet Shack setting. Very nice!
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Is up to you. My cage is like a circus tongue.gif and my gliders enjoy jumping and climbing on the ropes. I'll try to get a pic, it is always dark and can't see much coz my background also dark loh.

Sometimes the ropes from hardware store may be dirty, who knows how long they have kept it or what kinda glaze or wash was use to preserve the ropes. So when you soak in soapy water, it can get rid of the excess oils and glaze, then it cleans the ropes too. I sometimes add a few drops of Detol to make sure no bacteria is on the ropes. Sunning it dries the wet ropes. This is all precaution only.

Anyway, you and your sis will have alot of bonding and handling to do. You must try and not be scared of the nipping and crabbing hahaha.... but don't worry, your girls rarely nip. They just show their dislike by crabbing.

QUOTE(mikozai @ May 23 2008, 09:52 AM)
Morning guys ~
after 1 whole nite they spend i my room yesterday..haha..today i morning i meet them i saw somthing funny o...my casper and rachel are eating the glurp ( casper eat it non stop since yesterday..hahahz) then hor i walk near them and watch them lo..den the rachel so bad...see me come den she walk back to the pouch..den casper still eating outside there but rachel was crabble at casper =.=" and like wana bite him litat...lol..den i saw casper slowly walk to rachel and they both back to the pouch...swt... hahaha...now casper wont crable at me liao lo...today he looks at me soooo long, his eyes soo so so so cuteee....(yesterday see me liao like wana bite me de =.=) but rachel is still very shy and scare at me...guess i need to spend more with rachel next few days when they feel comfort in the cage 1st... smile.gif
i am so proud and happy to be their owner .. hehe
but 1 thing..dey dun like milk =.="... only eat slurp and apple... tongue.gif
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Crabble? ahaha.... new kinda sound is it? Is crab or crabbing or crabby, depends on your grammar.... but not crabble.

It is normal for gliders to want and hide back in the pouch. And it takes time for them to trust you. Good that they are doing great. Take a picture of them and post here so that we can judge if they should take milk or not. And please don't just give apples everytime. Give other type of fruits like mango, papaya, honeydew, ciku, rambutan.... the list goes on.

Anyway, I wouldn't advice people to get a male and a female at once. You know there is a chance of Rachel becoming pregnant too early, resulting in her being stunted in growth, or the joey not 100% healthy. We normally encourage people to get a female first, then wait 2 to 3 months before getting a male.

I took precaution with mine, and only introduce a male when my female gliders were past 6 months old. That way, once the male is mature to breed, the female already is strong, healthy and her body can take the burden of having joeys.

A few owners here have neutered their males to avoid such breedings. And males that are neutered won't be smelly and stinky, won't be botak and won't musk.
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Hahaha... good advice Evan.

Yes, just use a brush, either the small animal brush sold at Pet Shack or just a tooth brush. Then get powder that is meant for small animals or puppies. I got 1 in my Garage sales. Do not use baby powder coz it is not safe as the talcum can cause breathing problems for small animals.

Just wipe with a wet cloth or those wet wipes.
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Aiyoh, I said puppy powder mah heheheh....

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