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facktura
post Feb 23 2017, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(vondutch @ Feb 22 2017, 10:02 AM)
Hi all. My CIMB banker told me there is a new promotion for ASBf now with 4.8% interest if you pair with min RM1000 in UT investment. Looks like a good deal for me. Any other bank doing the same?
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I just did another 200k ASB loan early this month hmmm.
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post Feb 23 2017, 12:59 PM

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about cimb offer 4.8% only applicable if u invest KWSP-UT / Cash UT at CIMB bank counter and will entitle 4.8% promo rate for ASB 1

and invest minimum 1k into ASNB-variable account UT at CIMB counter also will entitle 4.8% promo rate for ASB 2...

for now this promo doesn't effect to any existing ASB customer even though they already apply with CIMB bank before...so if u want to get that rate u need to do either one i mention above.

I will update later if have any changes to the promo rate.



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post Feb 23 2017, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(facktura @ Feb 23 2017, 08:38 AM)
I just did another 200k ASB loan early this month hmmm.
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dont feel regret...as long as you already do force saving by doing ASB financing is already ok...
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post Feb 23 2017, 02:59 PM

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Usually how long does it take for cimb to disburse the money? If today sign document, before 28 feb can disburse?
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post Feb 23 2017, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(eastwest @ Feb 23 2017, 02:59 PM)
Usually how long does it take for cimb to disburse the money? If today sign document, before 28 feb can disburse?
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nope it takes 3-4 weeks to disburse...
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post Feb 23 2017, 03:23 PM

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anyone would like to get free 1 to 1 personal consultation involve ASB and UT please PM me...

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post Feb 23 2017, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Feb 23 2017, 03:22 PM)
nope it takes 3-4 weeks to disburse...
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1 mac is the last day to get the dividend for Mac, right?
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QUOTE(eastwest @ Feb 23 2017, 03:35 PM)
1 mac is the last day to get the dividend for Mac, right?
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Usually if u apply at end of month your loan will be disbursed on the next month...so ur dividend will start calculate on the month after that...take a look at the date...if disbursed before 13/15 usually the dividen will be calculate...you can double confirm with the bank officer...

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post Feb 24 2017, 07:35 AM

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Some took the asb loan had cancelled it as the dividend cannot sustain the interest of asb loan. Hmmm ? Anyone hear this ?
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post Feb 24 2017, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 24 2017, 07:35 AM)
Some took the asb loan had cancelled it as the dividend cannot sustain the interest of asb loan. Hmmm ? Anyone hear this ?
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Probably because they dont understand why its higher n didnt consider long term outlook. Banks ir is 4.8-5.2, while asb is 7.5++. Yearly repayment is higher than dividend when u have high takaful n/or short asb loan period.
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post Feb 24 2017, 09:23 AM

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about the new promo 4.8% there is pros and cons to consider before apply

like i mention above the T&C to get that rate u must invest in their UT product or variable ASNB product (price not fix depend on market like normal UT)

Let say u invest UT RM1000 to get 4.8% you actually already put your money into high risk platform. Without proper guidance or advise that RM1000 might become higher or less...

the concept of UT u are buying units according to current NAV (Nett Asset Value) + deduct early charges.

When u invest RM1000 into ut and the bank charge 2.5% actually ur nett invest is RM975.61. This nett RM will be change into units. Let say the NAV for that fund is RM1.25, u will get 780.48 units. If the NAV decrease to RM0.90 and u redeem it on that time u only will RM702.43. Actually u already loss RM1000-RM702.43 = RM297.56

this is the risk u must understand if u really want to invest in UT without proper guidance.

Therefore my offer to you. Those who want to get this 4.8% just go to the bank and invest either 1 as mention in the T&C. Than you proceed ASB application with me.

I will be your guidance for UT investment so it can reduce your risk to loss your RM1000 invest in UT. Free of charge.

Actually to invest in UT is a good platform. The return rate are 8-15% average per year. But you need to have the knowledge and strategy if not you will not see the profit.

I'm not telling u this fact to afraid you all, but to tell u the truth so when you apply you already know the consequence in the future.

So if anyone interest for my assist to help ASB financing + UT please PM me...My offer open to those who apply ASB financing with me.

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 24 2017, 07:35 AM)
Some took the asb loan had cancelled it as the dividend cannot sustain the interest of asb loan. Hmmm ? Anyone hear this ?
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that's because they use the dividend money to pay for the installments. When the dividend goes down, they need to topup their own money.

most cases happen like this is because they apply ASB financing without proper knowledge.

They don't know the other charges usually put into their financing is not compulsory.

Insurance@takaful not compulsory
Will charges not compulsory

If the 2 above add into your financing than your installment will be higher.

The other reason because they dont apply for max financing period. CIMB offer 30 years but they apply for 20 years. Their installment will be much higher than those who apply for 30 years.

Therefore my advise before apply ASB financing learn the knowledge or apply with consultant like me. You not only apply ASB with the correct method i also will u teach all the technique in ASB for free. Plus i also can consult you about Unit trust investment platform. You can diversify your investment portfolio. icon_rolleyes.gif

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vondutch
post Feb 24 2017, 09:59 AM

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@Haziq

Thanks for the clarification.
But I think the pros are still more than the cons. We are getting 4.8% instead of the normally given 5.0%. Thats 0.2% discount. If for example I take 100k loan that easily translate to around RM200 saving per year. If I plan to hold for at least 3 years (which is the min to get some decent return) then the saving will be even bigger.
So I believe RM1000 is really nothing compared to the saving in interest rate that I can get especially if I am planning to hold for long to medium term. This is a no brainer choice for me even with the UT risk.
But of course if other bank can offer similar low rates without the UT pairing requirement then that would be even better and should be our first choice. Lowest interest rate is my priority especially since the return from ASB is getting lower and lower. sad.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(vondutch @ Feb 24 2017, 09:59 AM)
@Haziq

Thanks for the clarification.
But I think the pros are still more than the cons. We are getting 4.8% instead of the normally given 5.0%. Thats 0.2% discount. If for example I take 100k loan that easily translate to around RM200 saving per year. If I plan to hold for at least 3 years (which is the min to get some decent return) then the saving will be even bigger.
So I believe RM1000 is really nothing compared to the saving in interest rate that I can get especially if I am planning to hold for long to medium term. This is a no brainer choice for me even with the UT risk.
But of course if other bank can offer similar low rates without the UT pairing requirement then that would be even better and should be our first choice. Lowest interest rate is my priority especially since the return from ASB is getting lower and lower. sad.gif
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yes if u understand the risk no problem

promo rate 5% 100k = 536.82

promo rate 4.8% pairing with UT 100k = 524.67

different = RM12.15/month @ RM145.80/year

Im just telling the fact so other people out there know the risk. Invest in UT is good. Im also advise other people to invest in UT. Just make sure have the proper knowledge.

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post Feb 24 2017, 02:33 PM

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CIMB promo 4.8%, Maybank promo is 4.9%. Checked 2 seconds ago at respective branch as I'm hunting for ASB 2 loan.

Maybank existing loan can appeal to get 4.9% too.
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post Mar 3 2017, 12:25 PM

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Hi bro,

anyone can confirm we need to pay RM10 stamp duty fee for CIMB ASB Loan within first payment?
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post Mar 4 2017, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(buggie @ Jan 31 2017, 11:06 AM)
Hi There... Millennials don't usually think bout the future. They live in the Now. So I'd say you're a rare breed! lol

5.65%? wow! with the dividends @ 6.75% this year, you earned only 1.1%.... You need to change this. Pronto. That's why terminating and reaaplying is so important, if only to keep up with the most competitive rates, let alone the amortisation kickback. 

Here's what I would do. Walk into any bank, ask to see the officer for ASB loans. Ask him/her whether you will be eligible for the max loan. Be honest with your history. Let them do their background checking and come back to you. If no, look elsewhere. But I have a feeling that they will accommodate given your recent history. Problem 1 solved!

If they do, terminate and re-apply as soon as you can. You should be looking at an IR of 5% and a monthly payment of about 1k and a bit with a max loan of 200k and max tenure of 30 years. You mentioned that you pay 80% - 90% from your salary which means your'e about 140 - 280 short every month. Well with this new loan, you should have no trouble at all paying 100% from your salary since it's about 300 less than what you are currently paying. Problem 2 solved!
Some questions about your calculation above.

(2007 - 2016) = 9 years. 25 year loan means you have 16 years left. By my very simple calculation, assuming we start fresh from now with your current loan and you only have 200k sijil loan with no cash dividends in there:-

After 16 years, you'd have RM 590k (compounded from 200k @ 7%)
Total payment made : 1440 x 12 x 16 = 276k
Gain : 314k (adjust for inflation at your will)

It's still a decent gain from 16 years. But if you terminate and reapply, after 16 years, you gain will be 380k (before inflation)

All the above is well and good where we have an endpoint and we know where we are after X number of years. We would know how much we have in our bank accounts. But that's not the point of all our previous discussions here.

I go into these loans with no end in sight. I don't even care how long i've paid and how many more years i have left to pay. I'm in this for maximising capital and utilising other people's money for my gain. And compounding interest is what makes all of this work. If you're employing the terminate and reapply strategy, your loan will always be at max tenure.

From a humble single 200k loan 15 odd years ago when I was 25 years old, earning 14k dividends per year, i'm now earning dividends from 1M of about 70k per year @ 7%. 600k loan with ASB & ASB2 and 400k cash in ASB, ASB2 & ASD. Not a single cent of my own money was injected other than the loan repayments and earnings from the dividends. From 1.2k per month installment for the first 200k loan back then to 3.5k installment for the 600k loan now. Here's the kicker.... after 15 years of loan, i still have about 27 years left to pay..... I THINK! I've now reached 40 and i can't take max tenure anymore, thus making my monthly repayments a little higher. Still calculating whether it's still worthwhile to terminate and reaaply. But that's a discussion for old people! lol

That's why i said before, you have youth on your side and there is an opportunity cost the longer you wait.

So to recap, 70k per year... just to put that into perspective is 140k every 2 years. Assuming I let this 1M compound for the next 10 years, it will be 2M (@ 7% dividend) that's a gain of 1M in 10 years! Just to put things into perspective again, it took me 10 years of compounding dividend to get 200k cash from the first 200k loan. Now, due to the magic of compounding interest, that same 10 years earns me 1M!

Now let's say disaster strike and for some reason, I can't pay off the loan anymore. I'd terminate everything. No questions asked and no further payments need to be made. If I do it now, I'd have 400k cash. If I do it in 10 years i'd have 1.4M cash. Hopefully this will be enough for my retirement earning me 98k per year, i.e 8k per month and....peace of mind.

So forget the past, start fresh from here. the sooner the better.
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Hi, i am new to this thread and 28yo this year. I just apply CIMB 200k ASBF for 30 years with RM1073 per month after 2 years of working to save emergency fund of 6 month. I am planning to terminate the loan after 3 years and repeat the process again later.

Hopefully i can follow buggie path to achieve financial freedom notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(mohamadf @ Mar 4 2017, 03:37 PM)
Hi, i am new to this thread and 28yo this year. I just apply CIMB 200k ASBF for 30 years with RM1073 per month after 2 years of working to save emergency fund of 6 month. I am planning to terminate the loan after 3 years and repeat the process again later.

Hopefully i can follow buggie path to achieve financial freedom  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Hi Mohamadf, if only for the fact you have an emergency fund of 6 months tells me that you are a prudent and and someone who think of the future. Congrats to you for taking your first steps towards your financial goals.

Now that you've got the ASB loan on automatic, its time to build on your career or your business. This is so you have the funds to expand your loan, and diversify your investments into properties, stock market and mutual funds, among other things.

When I started out with the loan at 25, I was a fresh grad earning 2k and paying 1200 per month. I had to really had to ikat perut. I really worked at my career and now it's a little easier paying 3.5k asb loans with a monthly income of 18k.

If or when you can afford, look into asb2 loans or even another asb loan by proxy, if you know someone you can really trust.

U should join the Facebook group as well, for motivation. Just search 'himpunan teknik asb'. There are many more Otai2 in there that are more experienced and are always willing to help.
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post Mar 4 2017, 11:22 PM

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next month i will be 2 years taking loan for asb 200k. my interest is 5.1%. should i cancel and reapply to get better interest rate?

is the method of apply, cancel and reapply make more profit? or just stick for the 30 years loan?

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