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 ASB loan, worth to get it???

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post Feb 2 2017, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(syumul @ Feb 2 2017, 03:10 PM)
How about from this article?
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Yeah, you're probably right. Apologies.

So for Jan 2017, don't take into account but for February you should if the loan is disbursed in January.

It'll lower your ROI by a bit.

Or.... kira from Feb 2017 to Feb 2019 for the 3 years. In fact, i think you actually get 1 month free cause start paying in Mar 2017

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post Feb 2 2017, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Feb 2 2017, 03:19 PM)
-haziq-

If u want to refinance from other bank (maybank to cimb) u will entitle 5% promo rate. It means u will get much lower monthly installments.
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Haziq,

Thank you for your explanation.
One question. I currently on full takafull, can I opt not to take takafull?
So my monthly gonna be low a bit from now.
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post Feb 2 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(syumul @ Feb 2 2017, 03:56 PM)
Haziq,

Thank you for your explanation.
One question. I currently on full takafull, can I opt not to take takafull?
So my monthly gonna be low a bit from now.
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Unfortunately cannot...the only way for u is to terminate and reapply without takaful



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post Feb 2 2017, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(buggie @ Feb 2 2017, 03:20 PM)
Yeah, you're probably right. Apologies.

So for Jan 2017, don't take into account but for February you should if the loan is disbursed in January.

It'll lower your ROI by a bit.

Or.... kira from Feb 2017 to Feb 2019 for the 3 years. In fact, i think you actually get 1 month free cause start paying in Mar 2017
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He is right bro buggie...
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post Feb 2 2017, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Feb 2 2017, 04:08 PM)
He is right bro buggie...
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Yes, Apologies to all for the wrong info. I never was good at calculations. rclxub.gif
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post Feb 2 2017, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Feb 2 2017, 04:08 PM)
He is right bro buggie...
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QUOTE(buggie @ Feb 2 2017, 04:21 PM)
Yes, Apologies to all for the wrong info. I never was good at calculations.  rclxub.gif
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I also quite worried if any info share here is wrong.
I do learn a lot by this thread especially info from haziq and buggie.
Kudos to you two bros. biggrin.gif
haziqnet
post Feb 2 2017, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(buggie @ Feb 2 2017, 04:21 PM)
Yes, Apologies to all for the wrong info. I never was good at calculations.  rclxub.gif
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Haha i also do lot of mistake about asb credit limit...well i guess we all can learn more when there are question we need to seek for answer...✌✌✌

Making mistakes is part of the learning process. 👌👌

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post Feb 3 2017, 09:32 PM

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Thanks guy for all the useful info. I've been reading on the termination/reinvest method. However, I still couldnt really get the idea behind. If i have a Rm200k loan and have been paying for 3 yrs, then I terminate and re-apply again. Isnt it still remain as 200k + whatever dividend that i have in the account?
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post Feb 4 2017, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(IceQTurbo @ Feb 3 2017, 09:32 PM)
Thanks guy for all the useful info. I've been reading on the termination/reinvest method. However, I still couldnt really get the idea behind. If i have a Rm200k loan and have been paying for 3 yrs, then I terminate and re-apply again. Isnt it still remain as 200k + whatever dividend that i have in the account?
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Well yeah.... you'd still end up with 200k + whatever dividends earned so far... in fact, you'd be worst off since intead of 27 years left to pay, you end up extending the loan to the max 30 years again...

But.... what else do you get from terminating? Ammortized value credited back to you. Explanations on ammortized value are just a few posts before this.
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post Feb 4 2017, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(buggie @ Jan 30 2017, 07:34 AM)
Very sorry to hear about this. Did you explain to them systematically and methodically? Showing them facts and figures? Also you have to address their concerns.

What was their concern anyway? You mentioned the biggest issue was risk. What is the risk they are concerned about? Also, why do you need to queue up at the bank every month?

Concerns with dealing with the banks and low amortisation? That's almost a non issue to me. Like anything else in this world,  set a plan and execute it. Sometimes things goes according to plan, sometimes things don't. When they don't, you learn from it. If the bank delays and don't get it done in the same month, you will not earn as much but still more than the current system you're using of rolling the dividends.  As for amortisation, it's fixed and there's a schedule the banks follow. Also a non issue here. You will get back what was discussed earlier.

Well anyways, the system discussed was to  compound the interest, pay from your salary and terminate and reapply every 3 years right? Well since your dad agrees with compounding and paying from your salary, then the only thing is the terminating. No biggie. It's only about 10k in 10 years. So you just lose out on 1k per year. Just do the compounding then.

Laid off from work? Firstly, it ain't that easy being laid off from work in our current labour laws. That's why non performing staff usually gets the 'freezer' instead of being laid off. So unless you're stealing from your company, this is also a non issue. If you've got a job, work at it 100% and work your way up. Trust me,  paying off 1k a month later will so much easier then now. But in the off chance you do get laid off, there is still no risk...  Just terminate the loan. Or if you don't want to terminate, then just go back to what you were doing before...  Pay from your dividends and retain your loan. The reason why this asb loan is such a hit is not that it is low risk.... It is NO risk!

Security vs maximising gains? The old adage goes....  Low risk, low returns. High risk,  high returns. That still holds true. But not for this loan. Here, it's No risk, high returns. Dude, trust me... There is no security issues here. Inflation? What's the inflation rate and how much are dividends? You can immediately tell from the figures. But even if inflation is higher than dividends.... Asb is still one of the highest returns you'd get. You need to change the government to lower the inflation... Lol

Either way, at some point in your life, you need to take control of your own finances. To me, that starts when you start earning your own money. What's stopping you from doing this if you truly believe that it works? Your parents wouldn't know anyway what you do at the bank. In 5 years just show them your asb book and tell them... I'm sure they wouldn't mind as much.

Oh and ASB is not everything. It's just one investment vehicle. As you progress and earn more, you'll discover that this is just part if your portfolio. Theres property, mutual funds, stock markets, business,  etc.
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I see...that makes more sense now. Nowadays I tend to overthink things trying to get stuff to be perfect as possible - gotta stop that I guess!

Anyway thank you again bro buggie for the constructive comments and useful explanations. biggrin.gif

EDIT: Just another question, which bank currently has the best user-friendliness when it comes online loan payments?

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post Feb 5 2017, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Fushigidane @ Feb 4 2017, 09:43 PM)
I see...that makes more sense now. Nowadays I tend to overthink things trying to get stuff to be perfect as possible - gotta stop that I guess!

Anyway thank you again bro buggie for the constructive comments and useful explanations.  biggrin.gif

EDIT: Just another question, which bank currently has the best user-friendliness when it comes online loan payments?
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It's good to overthink... It means that you've done your due diligence and there would be less chance of failure of your plans. Just have to make adjustments and not expect the perfect scenario all the time... It's awesome when it all comes together but if it doesn't, then on to the next one.

User friendliness? I just put mine on Auto-pilot, with standing instruction for the bank to debit my savings account. Just make sure that you have funds there before due date. I just put it to my main account that I use for daily needs so there's always enough there. Set it and forget it

Otherwise ,i think all banks offer online banking which can be used to pay the instalments. My advise is, if you're gonna struggle to pay every month, you might wanna reduce the loan. Don't bite off more than you can chew or it might come back to bite you in the ass when your credit ratings go down the tubes.

Else, make the payments your priority. Forced savings if you will. Put aside first. As Robert kiyosaki says, consider yourself as a bill to pay every month,and pay that first. Then comes the rest. You'll find that you can make it and the necessary adjustment are made to the other stuff automatically.
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post Feb 5 2017, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(Fushigidane @ Feb 4 2017, 09:43 PM)
I see...that makes more sense now. Nowadays I tend to overthink things trying to get stuff to be perfect as possible - gotta stop that I guess!

Anyway thank you again bro buggie for the constructive comments and useful explanations.  biggrin.gif

EDIT: Just another question, which bank currently has the best user-friendliness when it comes online loan payments?
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To answer for your question CIMB bank is easy to pay for online loan payments...just make sure u have CIMB account. Plus u have the details about your loan amount, outstanding balance will be update as soon u make payment. U also will know how much outstanding payment u have...

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post Feb 6 2017, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Fushigidane @ Feb 4 2017, 09:43 PM)
I see...that makes more sense now. Nowadays I tend to overthink things trying to get stuff to be perfect as possible - gotta stop that I guess!

Anyway thank you again bro buggie for the constructive comments and useful explanations.  biggrin.gif

EDIT: Just another question, which bank currently has the best user-friendliness when it comes online loan payments?
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there is a thing called analysis-paralysis...too much calculating in the end didnt do anything..lel

be confident n take the plunge

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post Feb 7 2017, 10:22 AM

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I'm considering to take another asb loan, but which amount not too sure... either 40k or 50k... but with the latest dividend rate for last year, I'm having second thought, whether to take it or not. confused.gif
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QUOTE(eastwest @ Feb 7 2017, 10:22 AM)
I'm considering to take another asb loan, but which amount not too sure... either 40k or 50k... but with the latest dividend rate for last year, I'm having second thought, whether to take it or not. confused.gif
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i just took another loan, and seeing how the dividend this year, probably end up for max 3 years only and then terminate.
Malaysia economy is chronic already sweat.gif
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QUOTE(eastwest @ Feb 7 2017, 10:22 AM)
I'm considering to take another asb loan, but which amount not too sure... either 40k or 50k... but with the latest dividend rate for last year, I'm having second thought, whether to take it or not. confused.gif
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as long as the dividend is higher than bank rate, just take it lorh
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post Feb 7 2017, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Feb 7 2017, 10:55 AM)
as long as the dividend is higher than bank rate, just take it lorh
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the rate for new loan is 5% hmm.gif
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post Feb 7 2017, 01:31 PM

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For new loan, I'm thinking to get a 40k/50k loan (5%) with a 5 years takaful, following the compounding dividend route. But this year I'm already 34, meaning next year will be last year for me to get a full 30 years loan. Not sure whether I should get full takaful coverage or only for certain years?
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QUOTE(eastwest @ Feb 7 2017, 01:31 PM)
For new loan, I'm thinking to get a 40k/50k loan (5%) with a 5 years takaful, following the compounding dividend route. But this year I'm already 34, meaning next year will be last year for me to get a full 30 years loan. Not sure whether I should get full takaful coverage or only for certain years?
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Try to maxout as much as u can. Use the previous dividend to cover up for your new loan if suddenly u r having problem to pay for the installments. Try to hold the loan until the next dividend payout. Then you can decide either to continue or terminate your asb.

About takaful with asb loan its better for u to apply takaful with the 3rd party. U will get more benefit + cheaper. You can apply takaful to cover your loan.

And lastly dont be too analytic. If you think too much it wont give u a better result. Just do it. Like other say as long as the dividend given still relevant stay with asb. No more lock in period so u can exit anytime u want. Dont worry.

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