c ronaldo could possibly be the best winger around, but sneijder, robben, vaart arent too far behind..

but best playmaker? erm no, that title belongs to king kaka.. XD

sneijder n vaart better when playing at middle role...

This post has been edited by vutsi: Apr 7 2008, 07:54 AM

finally someone said joaquin!! hes the best out and out winger...fullstop....CR is not exactly and out and out winger....hes more like a left / right sided forward...like robben....well if wanna say winger...there are plenty....jesus navas....why no one has said him...samir nasri is okay....so is quaresma......what about bastien schweinsteigger....very good left sided player to me....frank ribery.....malouda.....joe cole.....messi.....david silva....ryan babel...alot la.....

this thread is abit retarded anyway....coz the list of players listed for example like nani? whu the hell is he man when it comes to european football?? hes still not A-list for me....not in the same league as CR n the rest mentioned above...

yea im a bit NBTD here and thought could hav some retarded fun here....

Don't compare an attacking midfielder with a winger.
Don't go off topic.

Accept it, Cristiano Ronaldo is the best winger in the world, the best player in the world for the time being.

And the Liverpool fan said that "if Ronaldo not in MU, he not gonna score 37 goals". Now I wonder how long did Gerrard stay in Liverpool? How many goals he scored so far. U can't compare like this, both players on different role.

I watched the video compilation of Ronaldo, it said that Liverpool "ignore" Ronaldo when he was 17 at Sporting Lisbon, which "indirectly" let Man Utd have him a season later.

I sure hope Vela can give CR a run for his money next season.

To play winger system... full winger system .. is to built a team around CR.... regardless he plays or not you can't change a team formation overnite.. you have to replace that player accordingly... with the next best available option.

To play central attack like arsenal.. is to suit fabregas style of passing.... maximize his passing.....Counter attack when they have henry.. when he was younger...

You have to see barcelona... real madrid.... no matter who they got.. they play as required by the coach .. not otherwise... if not you are benched... dun play well even you are out of position.. you still get benched.

For example.. beckham.. went to real madrid... he has to play central midfield at times...

Raul.. full finisher... have to play support striker..or left wing...
Xavi at times at the right and at times in the middle.

Messi either as a forward or winger..

Henry.. striker or winger..

all these players have to do different function to suit the team strategy..

What the difference.. when you lose a player built around it, the team might not be as effective... you play to a team strategy.. players unable to maintain the form and consistency.

I beg to differ if you're saying United is playing around CR's ability. If you really watch United's game you could see that CR is more likely having a free role. And that is interchangeable either with Rooney or Tevez or Nani/Giggs/Park. He plays as a winger alright but he tends to run off with the ball or drift inside and change positions with the strikers.

But still, I wonder people still comparing AM with wingers? And everyone doesn't even highlight players like Ribery, Joaquin and others. In terms of quality, I think they are on the same level as CR does. It's just that CR scores more. Not to forget CR's compatriot, Quaresma as well.

Yea, I have to agree. CR cannot be compared to most Wingers cuz he plays quite high up the pitch, almost like a 2nd striker. Wingers tend to stick by the line and do defensive work at times. That is probably the main reason why CR scores so many goals because he usually finds himself in a strikers position. In this era of football it is pretty impossible for a 'real' winger to score 30 goals a season simply because the amount of emphasis put on running fullbacks have made wingers more providers instead of finishers. For example, you see the bursting run Patrice Evra makes every game, have a look. Who passes him the ball when he overlaps them, by right, it should be Ronaldo because he is the LM but it ALMOST NEVER IS. It is usually Rooney, Tevez or even at times Scholes.

This year is the year of Cristiano Ronaldo. If he cannot win Euro Player of the Year and FIFA World Player of the Year. That Platini and Blatter should resign cuz last year his opponents Kaka (lost of form) and Messi (Injuries) not even at Ronaldo's league this season. Just name me any players who have that consistency like Ronaldo this season?

1. Kaka? he is basically out of form
2. Messi? injuries most of the season
3. Ronaldinho? is he still playing football?
4. Fat Ronaldo? can he even run?
5. Totti?
6. Luis Fabiano?
7. Henry?



This post has been edited by beck_ken: Apr 7 2008, 08:56 AM

if CR having a free role.. or changing .. role.. it is because it is what he does best at there... nobody and i would say nobody can score 37 goals if they dun built the game around them... otherwise the goals would be equal distributed...

A left winger who doesn't work with their left flanks... run up to be a striker.. asking the striker to help out passing for the flanks backs to do overlapping.. dribble as he likes.. shooting at sight... rarely down defending..

compare giggs (young) and CR.. same ability.. may different style of dribbling.. look at their function... giggs is playing with the team... supporting as he should do as a left winger... not a left winger cum forward cum striker cum freerole.. that doing what he likes.... (I didn't say he is not good at what he is doing.. .....)


so when you do what you like and you still wanna win.. others have to support you.. that clearly shows team is built around you...

If you see CR suddenly have to play CM or holding midfield is the time he is playing with the team and for the team...
Rooney dun play well switching from flank to flank. Unless you say manchester is playing with 3 CR then you would say they are playing rotating system...

IT IS NOT LIKE CHELSEA where joe cole interchange with robben under JM... or duff or swp.. drogba still stays in the middle...

This post has been edited by ponomariov: Apr 7 2008, 08:59 AM

If there is one criticism I have of the English game it's that they are too rigid when it comes to formations. 4-4-2. Wingers must do defensive work and must stay wide. Strikers cannot be the one passing to overlapping fullbacks. No wonder they say "Football is a simple game but people make it complicated". Ronaldo IS a winger. Yes he doesn't track back as much but that's because of Man Utd's system. And it's not built ard him. Taking out Ronaldo out of MU; the system would still work but it just wouldn't be as effective. He is their best player after all.

The key reason why he has scored so many that so many here have ignored is because he has worked on his finishing unlike other wingers like for example Quaresma who works more on other things like crossing with the outside of his foot. Every winger is different and at the end of the day Ronaldo got it spot on by working on being more effective rather than just being flashy.

i like to remind you a certain fat ronaldo just play 1 World Cup in whole season but end up winning the World Player of the Year. i'm not saying CR dont deserve it, but sometime things like this happen

If its somebody who can even run Ronaldo close in the awards, to me its Torres. He's had a brilliant debut season and like Ronaldo is unplayable at times. The only downside to his game would probably be his inability to score away from home

ronaldo is godlike now lah...(dota style)...

joaquin?eeehh i disagree..he's struggling to even get a game for valencia now if i'm not mistakened...strangely enough,some people here rate him highly..even when on form,he's not exactly fantastic.really good maybe.he's overshadowed by da silva at the moment..always comes in as a sub..any valencia fans care to give their 2 cents?oh and ribery is amazing too!

I have to try to inject some sense of justice here. We are well aware that it is easier to get noticed when you are playing for not only one of the top clubs in the world, but also in arguably the most followed league in the world. Millions around the world get to see you play week in and week out. You generate a legion of fans and marketing giants like Nike pay you millions to get you to endorse their products, helping you generate an even bigger army of fans, if that is even possible. Whilst I do agree that Ronaldo is probably the best winger (no pun intended, Carlsberg) in the Premiership and maybe even in Europe, I would also say that I am in no position to claim that he is the world's best at the moment. Why? Well, i'll tell you.

How many of you religiously follow the EPL, La Liga and Serie all at once? When I use the word, "religiously", I don't mean tuning in only to watch the teams you like play. I mean you watch almost every game to the point you are able to give a fair analysis on most standout players. Heck, I won't even consider myself a religious follower of the EPL. Let's cross continents now into Africa and South America. How many of you have watched a full length match in any of their leagues? How many of you follow their leagues religiously? My bet is that none of you do, and neither do I. I rely on what is written in the papers and if my club is about to sign some unknown, I rely on them to tell me if he is good or not. I have not formed a personal opinion for I've never heard of this lad, let alone seen him play.

My point is that I see posters talking Joaquin, Van Der Vaart, Sneijder and company but how many have seen them play? When I say this, I don't mean you've searched out highlights of him on youtube. Some of you have even got their positions wrong. You watch Ronaldo play 100 times and you see a highlight of some kid in Brazil on the new for 5 minutes, and you are able to give an informed opinion? I therefore make my stand; Ronaldo is the best winger in the EPL at the moment and maybe even in Europe. In the world? Well, I have no idea really.

At last....

I see where u're coming from but I think it's widely accepted that the European teams are the best in the world. Even the best of South America are plying their trade in Europe. And as someone who does follow La Liga pretty closely I believe that my opinion of Ronaldo is largely unbiased. Many here mentioning Joaquin or Messi or Sneijder (who's not even a winger) have probably never even seen them play on a consistent basis. I have. And I can tell u without a shadow of a doubt that Ronaldo currently is better than any of them.

This post has been edited by verx: Apr 7 2008, 04:41 PM

How sweeet mate...

That may be true but it doesn't change what I've said; that many have not seen enough of other players to form a well informed opinion. You can tell by how some posters seem to have the positions of certain players mixed up. I do think he is the best I've seen at the moment but I won't go far as to say he is the best in the world at the moment. I assume we are making a comparison between he and every other winger in the world given the thread title.