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Discussion Who can challenge CR in winger position ?, Messi? Robinho? Nani? RVP? Or....
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verx
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 Apr 6 2008, 09:13 PM
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There are so many unfounded statements in this thread it's untrue. Ronaldo right now is the best player in the world. You can name whatever winger you want nobody has come close in producing the same end product that he has this season. Ppl argue about his lack of assists but when u score 37 goals who the heck cares. At the end of the day it's the goals that make the difference.
And you have to give credit to the boy. When he first joined Man Utd he was just flashy. But he has continuously worked on his end product to get to whr he is now. His determination and mental strength is actually his best attribute imo. And I'm no Man Utd fan.
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verx
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Apr 7 2008, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(zickey @ Apr 6 2008, 11:56 PM) haha like i say la.. if he not joining MU can he score 37 goals? and i think its not fair to compare babel with CR.. babel is not natural winger.. he's striker before Of course because of the way MU set out to play and the players he has ard him he's able to score more goals. But he would still have scored a fair share if he played for another team imo. Besides almost every great player must have good players ard him to be able to show his potential. It's the same for Torres for instance. Would he have scored as many goals as he has now if he played for a lesser team? Or if he didn't have Gerrard playing behind him? |
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verx
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Apr 7 2008, 11:15 AM
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If there is one criticism I have of the English game it's that they are too rigid when it comes to formations. 4-4-2. Wingers must do defensive work and must stay wide. Strikers cannot be the one passing to overlapping fullbacks. No wonder they say "Football is a simple game but people make it complicated". Ronaldo IS a winger. Yes he doesn't track back as much but that's because of Man Utd's system. And it's not built ard him. Taking out Ronaldo out of MU; the system would still work but it just wouldn't be as effective. He is their best player after all.
The key reason why he has scored so many that so many here have ignored is because he has worked on his finishing unlike other wingers like for example Quaresma who works more on other things like crossing with the outside of his foot. Every winger is different and at the end of the day Ronaldo got it spot on by working on being more effective rather than just being flashy.
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verx
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Apr 7 2008, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 7 2008, 04:14 PM) I have to try to inject some sense of justice here. We are well aware that it is easier to get noticed when you are playing for not only one of the top clubs in the world, but also in arguably the most followed league in the world. Millions around the world get to see you play week in and week out. You generate a legion of fans and marketing giants like Nike pay you millions to get you to endorse their products, helping you generate an even bigger army of fans, if that is even possible. Whilst I do agree that Ronaldo is probably the best winger (no pun intended, Carlsberg) in the Premiership and maybe even in Europe, I would also say that I am in no position to claim that he is the world's best at the moment. Why? Well, i'll tell you. How many of you religiously follow the EPL, La Liga and Serie all at once? When I use the word, "religiously", I don't mean tuning in only to watch the teams you like play. I mean you watch almost every game to the point you are able to give a fair analysis on most standout players. Heck, I won't even consider myself a religious follower of the EPL. Let's cross continents now into Africa and South America. How many of you have watched a full length match in any of their leagues? How many of you follow their leagues religiously? My bet is that none of you do, and neither do I. I rely on what is written in the papers and if my club is about to sign some unknown, I rely on them to tell me if he is good or not. I have not formed a personal opinion for I've never heard of this lad, let alone seen him play. My point is that I see posters talking Joaquin, Van Der Vaart, Sneijder and company but how many have seen them play? When I say this, I don't mean you've searched out highlights of him on youtube. Some of you have even got their positions wrong. You watch Ronaldo play 100 times and you see a highlight of some kid in Brazil on the new for 5 minutes, and you are able to give an informed opinion? I therefore make my stand; Ronaldo is the best winger in the EPL at the moment and maybe even in Europe. In the world? Well, I have no idea really. I see where u're coming from but I think it's widely accepted that the European teams are the best in the world. Even the best of South America are plying their trade in Europe. And as someone who does follow La Liga pretty closely I believe that my opinion of Ronaldo is largely unbiased. Many here mentioning Joaquin or Messi or Sneijder (who's not even a winger) have probably never even seen them play on a consistent basis. I have. And I can tell u without a shadow of a doubt that Ronaldo currently is better than any of them. This post has been edited by verx: Apr 7 2008, 04:41 PM |
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verx
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Apr 7 2008, 05:44 PM
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I really don't think the South American leagues are as strong as the European ones despite them winning more World Club Championships. Sure the results may have been unflattering for the European sides but the majority of the time the European clubs dominated proceedings but got suckerpunched by an odd goal. Barca and Liverpool were the most recent ones to have suffered that fate. Milan showed this season that there is a difference between the 2 continents when they outclassed Boca. A supposedly struggling Milan at that as well.
And I don't think it's a surprise really when all their best players move to Europe at a relatively young age. But you have to applaud at the rate they produce these talents.
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verx
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Apr 8 2008, 09:46 AM
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To be fair Duke you can't use the winners of the Intercontinental Cup/World Club Championship as a sure indicator to how both continents compare to each other. They are mostly one-off games. Rather than looking at the results I think it would be more indicative if one actually watched the games to be able to gauge their respective levels. Of course I don't claim to have watched every final so I can't claim for sure that the European leagues are better. But as I said one good indicator is the fact that almost every player that makes it in South America moves to Europe at some point. It's where the money is and better players = better leagues.
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verx
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Apr 9 2008, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(chimera_wingrove @ Apr 9 2008, 12:46 PM) am truly anticipating the day when vela plays for arsenal , maybe next season when his loan is over~~ a yound lad with tremendous playing ability Have u watched him play before? |
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