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post Dec 17 2008, 01:55 PM

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Back 16 December 2008
Time taken 1 hour 15 mins with 2 partners

Seated cable rows
Warm up
70lbs x 12
80lbs x 12

Work sets
225lbs x 12
225lbs x 10
180lbs x 12
150lbs x 15


Wide grip suppinated pulldowns

130lbs x 10
100lbs x 10
110lbs x 10
100lbs x 10

Hammer grip medium width horizontal machine row
150lbs x 10
170lbs x 8 drop set to 150lbs x 4
140lbs x 10
130lbs x 12

Close grip pulldowns
110lbs x 10
110lbs x 10
110lbs x 10
100lbs x 12

Dumbell shrugs
100lbs x 17
100lbs x 14
100lbs x 15
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post Dec 17 2008, 09:05 PM

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Shoulders 17th December 2008

Time taken with 2 workout partners: 45 mins

Dumbell shoulder press

80lbs x 9
70lbs x 10
60lbs x 10
60lbs x 10

Machine shoulder press

7 plates x 12
8 plates x 12
10 plates x 12
9 plates x 12

Dumbell lateral raises

25lbs x 10
25lbs x 10
20lbs x 12
15lbs x 14


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post Dec 19 2008, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Dec 19 2008, 03:10 PM)
Hi darklight, awesome weight on ur deadlift, but however from the video that u have post is mostly those 1rm, coz when i goes for heavy ...lets say 3rm, during the reps interval, sumthing the bar hits my knee and i wonder if i have not bend my back enought or it is normal?
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Thanks. It depends on your body structure. How tall are you?
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post Dec 19 2008, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Dec 19 2008, 05:05 PM)
My height 183 cm, and my legs i think if i buy those pants it is ard ... 33 - 34 in length.
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Uhh... dude. In feet and inches please. I'm too lazy to convert. Are you considered quite tall? You do know that your lower and upper torso have to straighten out exactly the same time right?
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post Dec 19 2008, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Dec 19 2008, 05:32 PM)
ermmm i think it is in inch.... not sure about 83-84 cm i guess. yeah i m quite tall.

umm, dun really get the movement of the torso but wat i did is tat when i lift, i tuck in my ass and at the same time straighten my legs and back. the main part i can feel the strain is on my lower back only, minor on glute.

it is quite hard to explain, may be i should take a video out of it.... if possible may b next week. tongue.gif
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Do so, let me take a look at it and i'll correct your form.
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post Dec 19 2008, 10:22 PM

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Deadlifts 19th December 2008

Deadlifts
Warm up
135lbs x 10
225lbs x 6

Work sets
315lbs x 3
405lbs x 1
435lbs x 1
345lbs x 8
315lbs x 8

Cool down
295lbs x 10


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post Dec 21 2008, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(wallpaper89 @ Dec 20 2008, 12:11 AM)
wow that's seriously a lot of deadlifts in one day.... didn't know you had a Deadlift Day lol xD
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Yeah, was bored. Needed something for a change.

QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Dec 20 2008, 09:09 AM)
i am having some problem with muscle mind connection...arrhh, just dont know how to use my lat muscle
i did pendlay row, widegrip pulldown, narrow grips pulldown...my lat dont feel fatigue at all, it only taxing my trap and biceps
hope can get some guidance from you wink.gif
this is the guideline i get from bb.com
but dont really understand it
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JustForFun gave you a good link there. If you still have probs, let me know, I guess i'll have to take an instructional vid for you.

QUOTE(JustForFun @ Dec 20 2008, 05:15 PM)
Wide Grip Pull Down

And I noticed that the way you grip the bar is quite important too .. Try supinate a bit so that you don't actually push instead of pull.
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Good link mate. I do my wide grip pulldowns suppinated though.
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post Dec 21 2008, 02:39 PM

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Arms 20th December 2008
Time taken: 55 mins (lone ranger)

Superset style
Dumbell overhead triceps extension
Warm up
40lbs x 12
40lbs x 12

Work sets
80lbs x 10
70lbs x 12
70lbs x 10
60lbs x 12

EZ Bar preacher curls
Warm up
30lbs x 10
30lbs x 10

Work sets
60lbs x 10
60lbs x 10
55lbs x 10
50lbs x 10

Concentration curls
30lbs x 12
30lbs x 8 dropset to 25lbs x 4
25lbs x 8 dropset to 15lbs x 4

Tricep pushdown
55kg x 10
50kg x 12
50kbs x 13

Overhead cable curl
30lbs x 12
30lbs x 10
20lbs x 12

Dip machine
17 plates x 15
Full stack x 12
Full stack x 12


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post Dec 30 2008, 04:40 AM

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To all, I apologize for not updating. I had a Christmas week off from working out. =P Too many cheat meals. I HAVE to go back to dieting strictly omg!

Anyway I'll answer your questions ASAP. Kinda sleepy now.
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post Dec 30 2008, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(shaunhsc @ Dec 23 2008, 05:57 PM)
Hie Dark,

I have a question. I have just started gyming a few months back. My first 2 months was more of 5x5 strength prog which consist alot of squats. At that time i was just squating 30kg as there were no squat racks. Im almost certain my form was okie.

Anyway somehow i developed a stiff lower back. It hurts when i bend backwards or if i reach down to tie my shoe lace. It get lossen if i turn my waist for a while. Somehow it was tolerable and forgotten.

When i was doing abs today, which normally consist of crunches and reverse crunches. i decided to had a go at decline crunch. i got 2 reps up and my back had enough. It's that bad.

It has been bugging me for over a month now.

Any thoughts? Tq in advance.
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Get it checked. That's all I can say because none of us are there to see you in person. However, in the future it will help if you get a video of your squat form and post in here so we can give you pointers.

QUOTE(Diiimn @ Dec 24 2008, 10:12 PM)
How u afford ur milk 400ml everyday which sometimes maybe twice a day on workout days. U buy the 1.5l milk carton and finish it in 2 days? Or u buy fernleaf big tin powder milk form so cheaper.

So how much u spend on milk a week or a month?

What's the use of the milk?

What's ur non workout days diet.
This is just as little meat as nasi lemak, less than 100g?
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I pack of HL per day. Not that expensive. And nowadays my preworkout consists of a scoop of whey and 4-6 tablespoons of oats taken an hour preworkout.

I think it's pretty obvious what the use of milk is. Protein and good calories. I can't take any other brand of milk except HL due to very very bad lactose intolerance.

QUOTE(badigol86 @ Dec 26 2008, 05:36 PM)
hi dark,

just curious for a freshie wat is the best gym routine?.... ^^
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A lot of people would tell you Rippetoe's and i won't disagree with them. However, I also highly recommend High Volume Training which is also great for beginners, I have experimented with 2 beginner trainees and they have shown amazing progress with strength and size too.

QUOTE(yongbn @ Dec 28 2008, 07:59 PM)
Thanks for your detailed workout plan, dark. Well done and keep up the good work!
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Thank you. =)

QUOTE(JustForFun @ Dec 28 2008, 08:02 PM)
I guess most of us here start off with Rippetoe program .. but you can do anything as you like.
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Yeah, it's a matter of personal choice and goals.

QUOTE(yongbn @ Dec 28 2008, 08:30 PM)
Hello badigol86,
Here are some points that I would like to share with you. Hope this would help:

1) Split major muscles group or body parts into different session, i.e Chest, Back, Shoulders, and Legs. For each body part, perform at least 3 to 4 different exercises

2) In each exercise, perform 3 to 4 sets with reps ranging from 8 to 12, depending on the variation of weights, i.e Biceps Curls: Set#1 - 2.5kgx12reps, Set#2 - 5kgx10reps, Set#3 - 7.5kgx8reps, and Set#4 - 10kgx6reps

3) Take a rest of 1 to 1 1/2 mins in between sets

4) You can mix the training for smaller muscles group into each session, i.e Chest + Biceps, and Back + Triceps, Shoulders + Calves

5) For abs exercise, you may start of each of your training session with crunches and sit-ups

6) Start of your routine with lighter weights. Avoid over-training yourself to avoid injury. Train under the correct form is very crucial

7) If possible, get a partner to train along with you, and if he/she has some basic knowledge on workout, that would be even better! Motivation and support plays an important role as well

8) Slot in some cardio exercises to improve your flexibility and endurance

9) Last but not least, adhere to a balance and healthy diet plan. Take rest and have enough sleep for muscle recovery
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No arguments here. Very good post and advice.

2) I'm not a fan of pyramiding. =P After warm up sets i go with the heaviest weight and gradually reduce but it's my personal preference. It's not right or wrong.

8) I hate cardio. Haha, but it's definitely good to supplement your training with some. I'm just too lazy to do it.

QUOTE(badigol86 @ Dec 30 2008, 04:18 AM)
thx yongbn for that advice...4 now i still doing lot of cardio just to gain some stamina...one more question is it important for me to get some supplement nutrition like protein shake or creatine for now n is't posible to gain lose weight and gain muscles at the same time??? FYI my w=95kg, h=178cm
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Supplements are called supplements for a reason. They are there to supplement a healthy diet. If you cannot even get proper food in the first place, supplements are useless. If you can afford to have the time and cash to eat loads of natural foods as your source of protein, maybe supplements aren't necessary but they do help. Whey and creatine are all you need. Plus a good multivitamin and some fish oil.

You can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time but it's extremely difficult unless you're very familiar with your body and it takes years of experimentation to get it right.

QUOTE(Beachkid @ Dec 30 2008, 05:44 AM)
Hi Darklight, sorry for the PM on workout I did not see this post tag.

Yeah as I was wondering, the 5x5 regime boosts the strength and size of a person but there are some contradictory views that state strength does not always equal size, which is true. So I'm asking if the 5x5 regime gives you more strength than size? or do those two follow up equally?

Thanks.
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Strength does not always equal size. The strength size graph is never linear. Sometimes a trainee would experience steady strength gains with no increase in size then all of a sudden it would be accompanied by size surges. First of all when you start out weightlifting for the first time, you prime your central nervous system towards the lifts. Then after the 3rd or 4th week, when you get used to the groove of the weightlifting movements, the muscles will be able to handle a lot more load and max hypertrophy occurs.

5 x 5 is an excellent program, i have made decent size and strength gains from it but like all programs, it is a template. You cannot use if forever, a program which you custom make yourself is the best, 5 x 5 is to guide you towards it.

QUOTE(yongbn @ Dec 30 2008, 11:10 AM)
You are welcome, badigol86. I would say it is not necessary to take supplement nutritions as of now since that you are still new. Hit the gym more often first and as you get used to the momentum, and you can see some effects on your muscles (growing), perhaps you can opt for supplements. You may increase your carbs and protein intake a little bit during pre/post workout period. I think that is sufficient for newbies. Protein and creatine will come into play if you do workout a lot for better/quicker muscle recovery and for greater strength, respectively. If you take them and do not really go to the gym that much, then it will be useless.

Depends on your goals actually. To lose more fat, you need to do more cardio. To gain more lean muscles and strength, you need to workout. Not to be forgotten your food intake and rest as well. You can share with us your exercise & training plan and we will see if there is any improvement can be made.
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Well said.
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post Dec 30 2008, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(mrPOTATO @ Dec 30 2008, 03:18 PM)
Hello darklight,

I'm on rippetoes & slowly getting used to the 3x workout cos las time i do 4x per week. I find that i do squats 3x every week but other parts only 3x / 2 weeks. B'cos of  this i think my legs are progressing well but i'm not satisfied with my shoulders.

Should i do rippetoe's 4x per week instead ? Or stick strictly to rippetoe for the time being ? Whats the difference between HVT and rippetoe ?

Thanks.
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JustForFun answered your question below. HVT is for size more than strength but it doesn't mean you won't get strong on it.

QUOTE(JustForFun @ Dec 30 2008, 03:29 PM)
You can continue doing Rippetoe but try to pick up the intermediate Rippetoe program. The Rippetoe was designed for strength gain especially for new starter while HVT is more focused on achieving hypertrophy that is to put size gain on top priority

Either way I think you can make a workout plan for yourself ... depending on your goals.
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QUOTE(wallpaper89 @ Dec 31 2008, 01:19 PM)
Hello darkie! Is carbs necessary for postworkout, or should I just ditch it and feed myself more protein instead?
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You need carbs postworkout else you'd look as flat as shit. =)
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High GI carbs postworkout helps to shuttle the protein to your muscles faster and that combines together with protein in a synergistic manner to improve recovery more than just protein alone.
Carbs also give your muscles the appearance of fullness. Try going without carbs exclusively and you'd look as flat as shit. =)

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QUOTE(Diiimn @ Jan 1 2009, 11:42 AM)
Hello*******************************************

What's ur non workout days diet?

Is ur milk hl milk? Is it used as casein, slow releasing protein or sth.

Do u get very bad smell of fart if u take 8 eggs or 10 eggs, how u deal wif it. Do u eat 'em often or do u take whey most of da time.
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Its all there in my first few pages of my thread. Look for it.

Yes HL only. I'm lactose intolerant.

I only both eggs and whey, depends on my mood.


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post Jan 1 2009, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(noobcake @ Jan 1 2009, 02:11 PM)
yo dark, skimming through past pages, i've come across the goodness of oats.

am thinking of incorporating them into pre-workout.

quick question - how do u consume them? blended in with a shake, boiled etc?
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Hey man. What's up. Here's what i normally do, 8 tablespoon of oats, 400ml HL milk and one scoop of whey, dump them into a shaker, shake it and drink straight. You gotta wait one hour then you workout.
However if i'm cutting, I'd take just 8 tablespoons oats, one scoop whey, add water, shake and drink.
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post Jan 2 2009, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Diiimn @ Jan 2 2009, 11:44 AM)
I know it's in the first few pages but it say cut a few calories. What mean? I dunno how u cut the calories. Can show?

U get very bad fart smell after eating those eggs?

Pls scrow through my diet and comment pls.
everyday, workout or non workout day
11am(wakeup)-10 egg whites, 2 yolks, 100g meat.

12.30pm(non workout days is 1.30pm)-100g meat,100g rice, vege.

8.15pm-200g meat,100g rice, vege.

10.30pm-200g meat.
No whey at all. I've gotten insomnia from it and pimples. My shit and fart very smelly after starting eating 10 eggs.
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It's in my earlier posts. Just reduce carbs, keep your protein high. I don't count how many damn grams in my meat intake. I already said ---------> Look at my first few posts for diet guidelines.

And no bad flatulence for me. Everyone's different.
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Jan 3 2009, 10:48 AM)
I dont get it. if everyone is so worried about fart smelling bad from eating alot of eggs....then eat other protein sources la

Tuna, red meat, chicken breast, SOY protein(Does this count?)

Anyway, Darkkie..Happy New Year Bro!
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Thanks. Likewise.

QUOTE(Diiimn @ Jan 3 2009, 02:44 PM)
U think I dunno?

Have u tried eating 10 egg whites and 2 yolks for breakfast?
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10 egg whites and one bowl of oatmeal. =) Everytime when i'm back in KL.


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QUOTE(pornstar @ Jan 4 2009, 02:58 PM)
hi darklight. i have stalled on my squats. previously i stalled on my benchpress and i did a period of deloading and it worked. This time however, I tried deloading and then building it up again from there but instead my stalling point was even worst. At first i stalled at 80kgs. so i deloaded to 60kgs and when i started building up from there, my max was 70kgs. i cant even do 75kgs. I am on rippetoe and this is my 3rd month. My squat is a free weight ATG squat. any ideas?
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Time to stop Rippetoe and move on. =) Search around for programs which you'd like to try. Of course i would suggest HVT, which is what i'm doing now. =P
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post Jan 5 2009, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Jan 4 2009, 10:46 PM)
move on eh? sounds like i just broke up and your telling me to move on hehe..well in that case, HVT sounds good. Any comments on the German Volume Training? considering between these two.
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GVT is pretty good but I'm not really an expert on that. I used to use it for only legs doing 10 x 10 but not for other bodyparts. Besides it would be boring doing the same shit all the time. =P

On a serious note. If you want to look like a bodybuilder, train like a bodybuilder. The way old school bodybuilders trained compared to the bodybuilders now is almost the same thing.

Don't let anyone tell you that to get big arms, focus on just compound movements and do chin ups for arms. It's crap. If you want big arms, do direct arm work, of course focus on all parts of your body too.
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Will reply later. tongue.gif

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