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post May 6 2008, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(tauevo @ May 6 2008, 10:02 PM)
wah seh.. againts the law of physic somemore ar..
lol.. Should i throw away my newly bought mobo? haha


Added on May 6, 2008, 10:05 pm

will try to do once i'm free la. thanks la everyone...
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I'm not sure, but i use a modified STORM G4 Rev 2, DDC Delrin Acetal Modded top, Coolabs Liquid Metal Thermal Paste, BIX2 with Quad Pushpull Papst 4412Ms and high flow chromed barbs and i have never seen temps like yours before, and yes, i used to run an OCed CQ6600. If the Xigmatek could really deliver 20C of temp min, i should have just saved my money and not watercooled my rig tongue.gif

Yeah, maybe you should check out the mobo, or at least flash it's BIOS to the latest rev.
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post May 6 2008, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ May 6 2008, 10:18 PM)
No, you just have to accept that a processor will never run at a lower temperature unless you're using a cascade / phase change / dry ice or LN2.
Even watercooling can't cool a processor than the room temperature.

I'm using a high end watercooling kit on my Q6600 G0 [at stock speed] with my room cooled by a 2.5HP air conditioner set to run at 14°C that runs for 24 hours, my processor still runs at 28 degrees. If a watercooling kit can't cool a processor lower than the room temperature, it's impossible for an aircooling heatsink to do that.

By the way, my watercooling kit consits of a bowed D-TEK FuZion, Swiftech MCP655-B, Swiftech MCRES Micro & Cool-Trek DP1203.
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aiyee.. actually i dun quite understand bout the water cooling kit thingy. as for me water cooling quite troublesome. sorry la no offense here tongue.gif . My casing is much more cooler than room temperature maybe my 1.8hp air condition straightly blow to the casing and i installed 4x8cm (having >30cfm) fans and 1x 12 cm (>80cfm)fan in the casing. Total up will be 10 fans including the cpu, psu in the casing. Still thinking of adding another 2x12cm (90cfm) fans. haha.. i dunno bout hard mod.

if u all look carefully in my cpu fan speed, u will notice tat i am not using the original fan from xigmatek.

p/s: pai sei la everyone, me newbie here.


Added on May 6, 2008, 10:40 pm
QUOTE(empire23 @ May 6 2008, 10:20 PM)
I'm not sure, but i use a modified STORM G4 Rev 2, DDC Delrin Acetal Modded top, Coolabs Liquid Metal Thermal Paste, BIX2 with Quad Pushpull Papst 4412Ms and high flow chromed barbs and i have never seen temps like yours before, and yes, i used to run an OCed CQ6600. If the Xigmatek could really deliver 20C of temp min, i should have just saved my money and not watercooled my rig tongue.gif

Yeah, maybe you should check out the mobo, or at least flash it's BIOS to the latest rev.
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my bios is updated. because this is new mobo released by giga dunno 2 months ago gua. the bios only got 1 update only. have u seen someone 18c temp with same cpu cooler? I noe is in LYN but i couldnt find the threat. I tot i can be advanced like him/she.


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post May 7 2008, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(tauevo @ May 6 2008, 10:36 PM)
aiyee.. actually i dun quite understand bout the water cooling kit thingy. as for me water cooling quite troublesome. sorry la no offense here tongue.gif . My casing is much more cooler than room temperature maybe my 1.8hp air condition straightly blow to the casing and i installed 4x8cm (having >30cfm) fans and 1x 12 cm (>80cfm)fan in the casing. Total up will be 10 fans including the cpu, psu in the casing. Still thinking of adding another 2x12cm (90cfm) fans. haha.. i dunno bout hard mod.

if u all look carefully in my cpu fan speed, u will notice tat i am not using the original fan from xigmatek.
You're missing the point.
There's zero possibility that you can cool a processor cooler than the room temperature using watercooling / aircooling. It's impossible.
It doesn't matter how many fans you're using, that doesn't make your processor goes cooler.

By the way, my 2.5HP airconditioner is set to run at 14°C 24 hours blows directly to the radiator. I only do this to test my watercooling kit. Because i can't sleep in my room if i were to do that kind of cooling 24/7/365.
I chucked in a temperature sensor in the watercooling tube and the temperature of the water coming out from the radiator after cooled by the fan and the airconditioner is 20°C, my processor still runs at 28°C.

If there's another guy getting an even lower temperature than yours, then that means he's getting the same problem as yours.

So, unless you're using a cascade / phase change / dry ice or LN2, there's no way a processor can run at a temperature that's even lower than the room temperature.
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post May 7 2008, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ May 7 2008, 12:36 AM)
You're missing the point.
There's zero possibility that you can cool a processor cooler than the room temperature using watercooling / aircooling. It's impossible.
It doesn't matter how many fans you're using, that doesn't make your processor goes cooler.

By the way, my 2.5HP airconditioner is set to run at 14°C 24 hours blows directly to the radiator. I only do this to test my watercooling kit. Because i can't sleep in my room if i were to do that kind of cooling 24/7/365.
I chucked in a temperature sensor in the watercooling tube and the temperature of the water coming out from the radiator after cooled by the fan and the airconditioner is 20°C, my processor still runs at 28°C.

If there's another guy getting an even lower temperature than yours, then that means he's getting the same problem as yours.

So, unless you're using a cascade / phase change / dry ice or LN2, there's no way a processor can run at a temperature that's even lower than the room temperature.
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hi, i dun understand the things u mention bout cascade and etc.. dry ice i noe. FYI, i have 3 computers running my room. 2 desktop and 1 laptop. 2 desktops was built this year february. I had mentioned i swapped the cooler and it also giving almost the same result. Yesterday i did called up my friend who work with microsoft in USA, he told me tat is possible to get the temperature cooler than the room temperature either air cooling or water cooling. Room temperature may vary. You might get 20 degree at the point from direct air conditioned but a few metres away u might get 22 degree or more which the air conditioned doesnt cover the area. Maybe i am wrong with the room temperature, because the my clock is 1.5 metre above my cpu. So beneath the clock might getting 20 degree or lower but above that will be higher.


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post May 7 2008, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(tauevo @ May 7 2008, 08:02 AM)
hi, i dun understand the things u mention bout cascade and etc.. dry ice i noe. FYI, i have 3 computers running my room. 2 desktop and 1 laptop. 2 desktops was built this year february. I had mentioned i swapped the cooler and it also giving almost the same result. Yesterday i did called up my friend who work with microsoft in USA, he told me tat is possible to get the temperature cooler than the room temperature either air cooling or water cooling. Room temperature may vary. You might get 20 degree at the point from direct air conditioned but a few metres away u might get 22 degree or more which the air conditioned doesnt cover the area. Maybe i am wrong with the room temperature, because the my clock is 1.5 metre above my cpu. So beneath the clock might getting 20 degree or lower but above that will be higher.
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i think you are still being clueless. no matter how genius your supposedly "friend" at microsoft is, he still cant defy physics, which dictates that your damn processor core will never ever be cooler than your room temperature, because its impossible for air alone to dissipate so much heat to fully take out 100% of what the processor heatsink gives, and thats not counting the source of the heat which will be a lot hotter (the cores itself, not even the intel proc chip's heatsink)

also, what the hell does your friend in microsoft have ANYTHING to do with this? software and hardware is 2 different worlds. you might as well just make that friend of yours working in xigmatek, you might convince us more :/

off topic: shawty, you opened a pc shop already? damn awesome man, so young owning a shop already hehe. just started? i never knew until i just saw ur sig today. wheres ur shop? maybe can visit it
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post May 7 2008, 12:30 PM

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I just replace the AS5 with TX2, and applied the last method as shown by the website but the temperature still approximately same, 63-64'c during full load, 3.5GHz @ 1.32v. is the temperature normal for c2d @ 3.5ghz?

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post May 7 2008, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 7 2008, 09:28 AM)
i think you are still being clueless. no matter how genius your supposedly "friend" at microsoft is, he still cant defy physics, which dictates that your damn processor core will never ever be cooler than your room temperature, because its impossible for air alone to dissipate so much heat to fully take out 100% of what the processor heatsink gives, and thats not counting the source of the heat which will be a lot hotter (the cores itself, not even the intel proc chip's heatsink)

also, what the hell does your friend in microsoft have ANYTHING to do with this? software and hardware is 2 different worlds. you might as well just make that friend of yours working in xigmatek, you might convince us more :/

off topic: shawty, you opened a pc shop already? damn awesome man, so young owning a shop already hehe. just started? i never knew until i just saw ur sig today. wheres ur shop? maybe can visit it
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It is possible to get below ambient but need chill water/tec. tongue.gif
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post May 7 2008, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(tauevo @ May 7 2008, 07:56 PM)
Kinda rude. mad.gif
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Find it rude?

well you can screw him back by posting a SS of these 2 programs

Coretemp 0.98.1
RealTemp 2.5

Now, go take the SS with the above 2 programs and everest smile.gif

satisfaction guaranteed thumbup.gif




QUOTE(OC4/3 @ May 7 2008, 09:28 PM)
It is possible to get below ambient but need chill water/tec. tongue.gif
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it was referring to plain aircooling or plain water cooled, with NO ice or stuff in it + tec

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post May 7 2008, 11:26 PM

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ok here is another ss.

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Then this taken when room temperature is 20.5 degree on my desk. 19.4 degree on my casing. happy now? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(tauevo @ May 7 2008, 11:26 PM)
Then this taken when room temperature is 20.5 degree on my desk. 19.4 degree on my casing. happy now? tongue.gif
Those softwares took the temperature readings from your motherboard temperature sensor, so if your motherboard temperature sensor is crippled, so as the results.

Again, if your room temperature is 20.5°C, how can your processor goes 19°C?

No matter how bad you want to prove this, you still can't defy the rules of physics.
You can't prove anything just using software temperature sensors.
Wanna prove the real temperature? Get a laser temperature sensor and shove it on your processor, from there we'll see either you can defy the rules of physics.

Also, one important note, i have a Q6600 G0 that has a very low VID, my room temperature is lower than yours, which is 18°C, i'm using watercooling, but the temperature of my Q6600 G0 is still 28°C. smile.gif
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@tauevo

ouh, ur referring to the CPU (without numbers one) temps is it all these while? @_@"

that one memang inaccurate, its usually 5~15c lower then core due to the nature of the DTS sensor

the one which really affects the CPU, is the DTS sensor on the core which would be CPU #1~#4

although its quite inaccurate sometimes, due to faulty being stuck (yeh i have one)
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QUOTE(tauevo @ May 7 2008, 11:26 PM)
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bro, i think u should stress test it longer. if my eyes serve me well, u only did a 1 min test then u screen shot it. i think its not long enough for ur proc to get heated up. btw, shawty got a point there. if ur room temp is 20.5c its quite impossible to get 19c on ur proc, unless u put some dry ice or something. anyways sensors accuracy is not 100% fyi. imo the least u need to add or minus 5-10c for accurate result but in ur case i think u need to add.
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i like this cooler..even using 1.45Vcore and orthosing it..the temp reach only 55-57 C only icon_rolleyes.gif
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this question is for those with the xigmatek crossbow mounting kit. is the "double sided tape" part meant to be stuck to the underside of the mobo?
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Done installed this cooler in my rig... hehe rclxms.gif

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also done lapped the cooler base.. pretty ok la kan? not very perfect lah..
but i manage to get idle temp at 32/38`C for my OC E6600@3.2Ghz, and 39/45`C at 100% load. Using coretemp beta 0.99
theres improvement from my late hypertx..hehe


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how its look on my p5n-e sli mobo...

for now im satisfied, thanx to any who sudjest this cooler, not to xpensive an not very bad on the performance... thumbup.gif


*bought from bro prodigous
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QUOTE(Mavrix @ Jul 2 2008, 02:28 AM)
Done installed this cooler in my rig... hehe  rclxms.gif

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also done lapped the cooler base.. pretty ok la kan? not very perfect lah..
but i manage to get idle temp at 32/38`C for my OC E6600@3.2Ghz, and 39/45`C at 100% load. Using coretemp beta 0.99
theres improvement from my late hypertx..hehe
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

how its look on my p5n-e sli mobo...

for now im satisfied, thanx to any who sudjest this cooler, not to xpensive an not very bad on the performance... thumbup.gif
*bought from bro prodigous
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waa . . . nice lapping there, i also lapped mine but havent try yet. sweat.gif Its one of the best cooler around which is reasonable. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(hermit23 @ Jul 2 2008, 02:40 AM)
waa . . . nice lapping there, i also lapped mine but havent try yet. sweat.gif Its one of the best cooler around which is reasonable. thumbup.gif
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Thanx bro, really worth it lapped the cooler.. more heat dissipate n efficient.. next project: try to laping the proc.. hehehe
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wah really nice lor cn c my teeth da..huhu..

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