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post Jul 20 2008, 09:46 PM

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It is funny you know when the team talk to Lewis after he crosses the line apologizing to him about the strategy and gave him a much tougher race.
But they did tried to cheer him up by saying that they hope that he was comfortable and happy driving a good car.

Well it indeed is a terrific car accompanied by a good driver.
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post Jul 20 2008, 09:47 PM

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Brilliant drive, i love the overtaking moves on Massa. Just lovely stuff wub.gif
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post Jul 20 2008, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(ykc @ Jul 20 2008, 09:44 PM)
is it because of new set of tyres ? hmm.gif
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he is consistently fast b4 the SC.
its nice to see how he squeeze massa and piquet off the track. lol

but still wondering why Kov cant meet Hamilton pace.
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post Jul 20 2008, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 20 2008, 09:47 PM)
Brilliant drive, i love the overtaking moves on Massa. Just lovely stuff wub.gif
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don't forget the move on nelson piquet jr wub.gif
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QUOTE(ykc @ Jul 20 2008, 09:49 PM)
don't forget the move on nelson piquet jr wub.gif
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Yes, similar but Massa try to fight back which makes it so much love-able tongue.gif

But ya, the most economic drive goes to Renault. What a suprise that they just made one stop shocking.gif

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 20 2008, 09:49 PM)
Yes, similar but Massa try to fight back which makes it so much love-able tongue.gif

But ya, the most economic drive goes to Renault. What a suprise that they just made one stop shocking.gif
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Damn rclxm9.gif when Lewis overtake Massa tongue.gif

I'm really surprise Renault economic drive.
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post Jul 20 2008, 09:55 PM

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im glad tat Lewis won the race but clearly there is a team order happening in the race... i wonder if the team knows it... kinda conspiracy going on there...
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post Jul 20 2008, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(cristiano7mu @ Jul 20 2008, 09:48 PM)
he is consistently fast b4 the SC.
its nice to see how he squeeze massa and piquet off the track. lol

but still wondering why Kov cant meet Hamilton pace.
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yeah, they should have the same car setups hmm.gif

QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 20 2008, 09:49 PM)
Yes, similar but Massa try to fight back which makes it so much love-able tongue.gif

But ya, the most economic drive goes to Renault. What a suprise that they just made one stop shocking.gif
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and Massa just forced Hamilton to use the finishing move to get rid of Massa, by forcing Massa off the track biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ykc @ Jul 20 2008, 09:57 PM)
yeah, they should have the same car setups hmm.gif
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It's not necessary really. It all depends on a driver's style of driving the car. They may have the same car but different setup thats for sure.
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post Jul 21 2008, 12:06 AM

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McLaren hold hands up to strategy error
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McLaren boss Ron Dennis on Sunday admitted team strategists made a mistake that could have cost Lewis Hamilton victory at Hockenheim.

While much of the field pitted under the safety car following Timo Glock's violent crash in the middle of the race, leader Hamilton was told to stay on the track.

With a pitstop still to make when the safety car pulled off, Hamilton was told over the radio he had to build a 23-second gap to retain his lead - in just seven laps.

"I just kept pushing - over the limit, pushing and pushing - but I couldn't find the gap," Hamilton, who established a four point advantage in the drivers' championship with his dominant performance in Germany, told reporters.

After the pitstop, the Briton was let past by his team-mate Heikki Kovalainen, and then overtook Ferrari's Felipe Massa and surprise leader Nelson Piquet's Renault.


But when he was behind the safety car, Hamilton admits he questioned McLaren's strategists over the radio.

"I said are you sure about this, and they said fine. But we all have decisions and opinions and we'll learn from this one and move on," he said.

Dennis, McLaren Principal, told British broadcaster ITV the team got the call wrong.

"We expected the safety car to come in early. We thought the race could have started three laps earlier. You can't get it right all the time," he said.

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post Jul 21 2008, 12:23 AM

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wow, lots of ferrari fan are questioning bout heikki letting lewis pass him, but for years Schumi did it with countless team mate. Yeah its not pretty, but i think there's a clause in heikki's contract when he signed for Mclaren.

massa did the same thing when he passed kimi at Magny Cours.
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post Jul 21 2008, 12:46 AM

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well at least that pass done with a biggie hole on kimi's car laugh.gif tongue.gif

this is too obvious heikki just move aside and wave him through

hamilton is very aggresive..thats the way to overtake..push your opponent off the way!

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post Jul 21 2008, 12:56 AM

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well... hope FIA can tell the truth... smile.gif
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post Jul 21 2008, 01:35 AM

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LEWIS HAMILTON

“I nailed it this afternoon: when the team told me I had to build a 23-second gap in just seven laps, I knew I had to drive over the limit – and I did. But I knew we had the best car this weekend and felt comfortable pushing hard to make up the gap. In the final stint, I had to work for today’s win – when the Safety Car came out, I questioned whether I should pit but I trusted the team to make the best decision on strategy. It didn’t quite work out – but I knew we had the pace in the car to keep pushing and want to say a big thank-you to Heikki, who realised I was quicker. I was able to slipstream past Felipe and then thought my work was done; then I had to do it all again to get past Nelson. But I made a couple of textbook moves to get past them both. Everybody in this team has worked so hard to make this victory happen. We mustn’t grow complacent but must feel assured that our efforts are being rewarded. We couldn’t have asked for more today.”

HEIKKI KOVALAINEN


"A very difficult race for me. I had a good start and almost managed to pass Felipe but, unfortunately, my speed was not good enough, and I couldn’t make the tyres work to their best. The Safety Car period didn’t help me either, and I lost positions during my pitstop. Then I lost time behind Kubica. However, I managed to overtake him again two laps later and, from then on, it was a rather uneventful race. Fifth position was not what I had hoped to achieve here, but I am now looking forward to the Hungarian Grand Prix, where I will try my hardest to fight for a podium finish."

RON DENNIS

"Today's victory topped-off another magnificent weekend for the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. I stress the word 'team' because our win was very much a team effort. The deployment of the Safety Car presented us with a difficult decision: should we or should we not bring Lewis in for a pitstop? We decided that, since he still had quite a lot of fuel on board, we would leave him out until lap 50. We'd expected the track to be cleared of debris a little faster than it was, which would have allowed the Safety Car to come in a bit earlier. As a result, Lewis was unable to rejoin the race in the lead. He responded majestically, however, and scored another fabulous win. Heikki was troubled by oversteer in his first stint, which we attempted to correct at his first pit stop, but he still struggled a little in his next stint. That being the case, he wasn't able to match Lewis's pace today. But it's the mark of both his professionalism and his sportsmanship that, aware of his situation relative to Lewis's, he made it relatively straightforward for Lewis to pass him. As I've said before, Heikki's time will come. In difficult circumstances he raced tremendously well today – his overtaking manoeuvre on Robert Kubica was just sensational – and once again he showed a winner's grit and determination. It's a joy to have two drivers who are not only super-competitive but also super-cooperative."

NORBERT HAUG

"A sensational victory for Lewis with some great overtaking – he was in a class of his own in the team’s second consecutive home Grand Prix. His speed was better than I had ever dreamed of. After we let him continue during the Safety Car period we saw two of the most exciting overtaking manoeuvres of the championship. I am really happy about this convincing win – thank-you Lewis. I also want to thank everybody in the team for doing a great job; not only in the garage but also to everybody on the marketing, press and organisational side. Finally, I want to thank all our friends and guests who enjoyed a fantastic day at the Mercedes grandstand where they all saw a lot of action and enjoyed the great atmosphere."

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post Jul 21 2008, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Jul 21 2008, 12:46 AM)
well at least that pass done with a biggie hole on kimi's car  laugh.gif  tongue.gif

this is too obvious heikki just move aside and wave him through

hamilton is very aggresive..thats the way to overtake..push your opponent off the way!
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well..., that's called racing

hamilton is young
still got a huge time infront of him

massa is... well... you know....
still wanna get tangle up and get no points?
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QUOTE(Jasonist @ Jul 21 2008, 12:56 AM)
well... hope FIA can tell the truth... smile.gif
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I guess you are new to F1. like Mcchin said in the main F1 thread teams order are here to say. I dont think there'll be a fuss when massa let kimi pass him, why question bout heikki and lewis ?

I know its dissapointing, but F1 is a team sport. The team provide you with the car and driver just race in it. I think DC once said that why he had to play second fiddle to Mika - he said " It is what best for the team."

You see, McLaren always treat their drivers equal - but if the one driver is challenging for the title - the other one had to play the supporting role.
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post Jul 21 2008, 01:57 AM

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well...
the notion that massa was let pass by kimi
just because imi have a big hole on the side

is same as anything happened afterwards

heck, heiki could have to concentrate when ron tell him to race lewis for the place
that he might over cook the hairpin..as you see properly lewis was following heiki closely when he seems like heiki had overcook the corner

if to be coordinated
lewis would be ready to pounced
instead of sort off following heiki to Holland right

now... that's a story you cant refute
as with the stories of team order


the way i see it
team orders is a norm in these kind of sports
but due to certain team that blantantly "show off" their supperiority
sort of like spitting in the face of the governing bodies
that made the FIA to rule team order as illegal

but to where the line stands
team orders are legal just because of a hole on the side
then the driver might as well retires
if he could stop others from going through
the theres no problem stopping your teammates to have an easy pass

whatever makes you sleeps at night
I guess


Added on July 21, 2008, 2:00 ammy rant is for anyone that affixes to the team order issues
and on that issue alone
not considering other possibilities

no one in particular was aimed for my replies

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post Jul 21 2008, 06:44 AM

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yep..thats racing and these kinda thing only happen in F1

what happen today is like what barrichello and schumi years ago, teamorders are always here but done in a different way

the fuss today is how the teamorder is done, heikki didnt overcook at the hairpin but he just move wider halfway while hamilton following closeby and clearly heikki will still ahead even after the chicane but suddenly heikki just didnt turn his steering goes wide and let him through

jasonist,

dun say laa the FIA word..FIA is not to examine how the races are..what they did is always find way to fine teams for money and scripting the championship so it look exciting and exciting = moar moooney tongue.gif

anyway im not here to kacau..may peace be upon those who dun agree with me tongue.gif

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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Jul 21 2008, 01:41 AM)
I guess you are new to F1. like Mcchin said in the main F1 thread teams order are here to say. I dont think there'll be a fuss when massa let kimi pass him, why question bout  heikki and lewis ?

I know its dissapointing, but F1 is a team sport. The team provide you with the car and driver just race in it. I think DC once said that why he had to play second fiddle to Mika - he said " It is what best for the team."

You see, McLaren always treat their drivers equal - but if the one driver is challenging for the title - the other one had to play the supporting role.
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Exactly. To those who thinks that team orders are not gonna happen in F1 is just plain naive. They may not do it straight forward as in communicating through radio communication to order a driver to let the other pass but there's definitely a way to do it which will not have breached the FIA rules. The team order rule itself has many loopholes.

QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Jul 21 2008, 06:44 AM)
yep..thats racing and these kinda thing only happen in F1

what happen today is like what barrichello and schumi years ago, teamorders are always here but done in a different way

the fuss today is how the teamorder is done, heikki didnt overcook at the hairpin but he just move wider halfway while hamilton following closeby and clearly heikki will still ahead even after the chicane but suddenly heikki just didnt turn his steering goes wide and let him through

jasonist,

dun say laa the FIA word..FIA is not to examine how the races are..what they did is always find way to fine teams for money and scripting the championship so it look exciting and exciting = moar moooney  tongue.gif

anyway im not here to kacau..may peace be upon those who dun agree with me  tongue.gif
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You are contradicting with yourself. You said team orders do happen in F1 and it's normal in racing and then question about Heikki purposely letting Lewis pass. How is it that this particular case is worst than the Rubens and Schumi back then. Back then, it was Rubens who let Schumi pass to take the chequered flag. Bear in mind after Heikki let Lewis pass him, he still has to work his a** off to overtake 2 drivers in front of him.

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post Jul 21 2008, 01:40 PM

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hmm... perhaps i still need to gain more 'knowledge' in F1... all we can do is to watch and wait... of coz, i still like the chrome machines anyway... tongue.gif

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