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ExpZero
post Jul 15 2014, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(blackstar88 @ Jul 11 2014, 10:45 PM)
Hi, my insurance agent from great eastern told me about a new plan they have, which will need me to upgrade my current medical card plan.

this upgrade will increase the annual limit and remove lifetime limit for the medical card while the rest of the thing remain the same, such as investment return and others..

is there any catch? this sounds to me like durian runtuh...

need advice pls
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In order to understand about this issue, I will briefly talk about the mechanism of Investment link product(ILP).

ILP is designed in such a way that the premium you paid(a portion of it for the first 6 years) will be used to purchase fund unit and then the accumulated fund unit will be used to pay for your insurance charges.

What is insurance charges?
Every of the rider you added in will incur a charges. Cost of insurance (COI) aka Insurance charges will increase over the time according to the mortality and morbidity table.

The accumulated of the fund unit after deducted the COI, the left over will be your "cash value" aka saving.

The reason you may upgrade your protection without upgrade your premium is because your "cash value" have enough fund to sustain your policy without increasing the premium. The "cost of increasing benefit" is absorb from your cash value instead from your additional premium.

Please take note that since COI is increasing over time, without proper planning, the fund might be depleted and might need to top up at later year.

Well, I'd advise you to look into the new medical card feature as the insurance charges is affordable and the benefit is great, with over a million annual limit and unlimited lifetime limit.

For age 60 years old, male, class 1, non smoker, the annual COI only additional RM442. It's great value for money if you don't plan to upgrade your medical card for the next 30 years.
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post Jul 15 2014, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(morning06 @ Jul 15 2014, 03:42 AM)
It's good that you're reminding consumer to read carefully and spot the hidden clause thumbup.gif

Yes, you never mentioned anything about COI not increasing but when you never mentioned the increase of COI in ILP while comparing and promoting only the good point, that's the same as the so called hidden clause? There is a fine line between not telling and lie  whistling.gif

I believe Mnet motive is to be as transparent as possible and share his knowledge since this is a forum discussion.  notworthy.gif
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Bro, you may right, I miss out the point. It is common that health risk is increase by age, so to the Cost of Insurance.

It just had so much to explain and I can't put in a single statement. Just a simple quotation is 20-40 pages.
Of cause it is agent job to educate their client, just it will spend hours to explain the everything from scratch.
Different client have different expectation, some they just want to know every single line like lawyer, some just want to know what they getting and the coverage only.

Now the trend is going towards ILP instead of Traditional Insurance Plan due to many advantage to it. You can check out my page as the link below.

This post has been edited by conqu3ror: Jul 15 2014, 01:56 PM
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post Jul 15 2014, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Jul 15 2014, 01:54 PM)
Bro, you may right, I miss out the point. It is common that health risk is increase by age, so to the Cost of Insurance.

It just had so much to explain and I can't put in a single statement. Just a simple quotation is 20-40 pages.
Of cause it is agent job to educate their client, just it will spend hours to explain the everything from scratch.
Different client have different expectation, some they just want to know every single line like lawyer, some just want to know what they getting and the coverage only.

Now the trend is going towards ILP instead of Traditional Insurance Plan due to many advantage to it. You can check out my page as the link below.
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This could a big miss, and potential lead to people to misunderstand the standalone medical premium keep on increase, while with ILP, its premium of medical coverage doesn't.

The fact, ILP never state the premium is guaranteed forever the same.
It depends on the cash value to compensate the COI.

QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Jul 11 2014, 03:58 PM)
For standalone medical plan, the premium will increase gradually & will be very expensive when come to golden age. Of cause someone hidden clause that client may not notice.

For an Investment Link plan(ILP) at age 35, a comprehensive coverage with premium monthly RM250 is pretty common. Generally ILP offer comprehensive coverage, remain the same premium till the maturity and it come with cash value (saving).

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Imagine after listen to an agent saying ILP premium will be the same until maturity, after 20 years later, insurance company sent a letter stated, cash value of ILP not enough to cover, need to top up premium, if not risk of cease of coverage.
How do you feel about the "miss" done by the agent only after 20 years later on?

This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 15 2014, 04:30 PM
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post Jul 15 2014, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 15 2014, 04:26 PM)
This could a big miss, and potential lead to people to misunderstand the standalone medical premium keep on increase, while with ILP, its premium of medical coverage doesn't.

The fact, ILP never state the premium is guaranteed forever the same.
It depends on the cash value to compensate the COI.

Imagine after listen to an agent saying ILP premium will be the same until maturity, after 20 years later, insurance company sent a letter stated, cash value of ILP not enough to cover, need to top up premium, if not risk of cease of coverage.
How do you feel about the "miss" done by the agent only after 20 years later on?
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i strongly agree with cherroy statement above . . . if compare for medical rider attached to ILP / traditional / standalone card the INSURANCE PREMIUM will still increase as age increases.

Why ILP does not increase in most cases told by agent? It's because ILP or investment-link policy have cash value
in the policy & will increase year by year. Insurance company will project the return of certain % FORECAST in the quotation as investment return less the inflation on medical charge. Do take note there is no guarantee in any Investment.

+points for getting ILP early or when you are young:
*insurance charge is low compare to majority of other range of product thumbup.gif
*can accumulate some form of savings & policy will not easily lapse compare to standalone thumbup.gif
*flexible to top up / reduce the coverage from time to time thumbup.gif







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post Jul 16 2014, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Jul 15 2014, 11:52 AM)
In order to understand about this issue, I will briefly talk about the mechanism of Investment link product(ILP).

ILP is designed in such a way that the premium you paid(a portion of it for the first 6 years) will be used to purchase fund unit and then the accumulated fund unit will be used to pay for your insurance charges.

What is insurance charges?
Every of the rider you added in will incur a charges. Cost of insurance (COI) aka Insurance charges will increase over the time according to the mortality and morbidity table.

The accumulated of the fund unit after deducted the COI, the left over will be your "cash value" aka saving.

The reason you may upgrade your protection without upgrade your premium is because your "cash value" have enough fund to sustain your policy without increasing the premium. The "cost of increasing benefit" is absorb from your cash value instead from your additional premium.

Please take note that since COI is increasing over time, without proper planning, the fund might be depleted and might need to top up at later year.

Well, I'd advise you to look into the new medical card feature as the insurance charges is affordable and the benefit is great, with over a million annual limit and unlimited lifetime limit.

For age 60 years old, male, class 1, non smoker, the annual COI only additional RM442. It's great value for money if you don't plan to upgrade your medical card for another 30 years.
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oic.. this is very informative.. thank you very much!!

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