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 chinese ed gf vs english ed gf, let the debates begin lulz

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post Aug 12 2009, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Aug 12 2009, 03:24 PM)
if ur finding long term "eg a wife" and to settle down with a proper family find a chinese ed.
English eds are open-miinded, mingles around with friends and are active socially.
however it does not apply in all situations
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har? what bullsh1t is this?
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post Aug 17 2009, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 16 2009, 11:14 PM)
chinese ed. doesn't understand english ed's jokes cos they are not familiar with the english slang, else they would be enjoying it

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not only the slang, the concept of sarcasm just doesn't exist to them laugh.gif
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post Aug 18 2009, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 17 2009, 10:34 PM)
I second on this!

Chinese ed. people tend to express something indirectly. This is caused by confusion moral that teaches: politeness. Therefore, most of the time, they prefer being passively put things in heart than open discussion.

Well, there're pros and cons in this "belief" so to say. I believe any one could click with each other despite which education background you come from, as long as you know the drill and you get the communications style that suits him/her.
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Its called being passive aggressive.

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post Aug 18 2009, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 18 2009, 01:48 AM)
Friend, of course English is straight forward. The English alphabets contains 26 letters only.

Whereas the Chinese characters has over thousands. It's hard to compare lah.  It's just common sense, The culture is different to the English culture that's all. Why wanna crack your head so much on it and its differences?

You have to be quite crazy to call English straight forward. It can incredibly convoluted and confusing. Here are a few examples:

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Still think its easy and straightforward? laugh.gif

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Again, difference of culture. That's all. In chinese there sometimes is no answer or blatant answer for every question. Like English a yes is a yes and a no is a no.

You couldn't be more wrong tongue.gif

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It's called Tradition. Some people can break away from it and some can't. Just a matter of choice. Again it's a difference of culture. So? What if a chinese ed cannot be open minded? I don't think that's wrong, it's just that they have chosen the Traditional path of life which been practicing by their ancestors many years ago. It's kept their civilization alive till today, so why change it when it's effective?
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Effective? Its that same mentality that led to the downfall of the chinese empire, or have you forgotten your history?

I wouldn't even call it effective, the chinese mentality is filled with false fronts, distrust, possessive & controlling behaviour. In a global economy, an attitude like that is going to make you lag behind.

QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 18 2009, 02:43 AM)
English ed's need to tone down on their vocab when conversing with those who don't quite grasp the language, and likewise Chinese ed's need to make that extra effort to better their command of English.

Its not only vocab, sometimes you have to destroy your grammar so that they can understand what you're trying to say. I learnt this when trying to communicate with a classmate from china.

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post Aug 18 2009, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 18 2009, 02:55 PM)
My stand is simple, Quit comparing an Apple with a Pear. Just accept it.
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Even if we accept it, we can still compare it, there's nothing wrong with making comparisons. If anything, it opens up to see how one side views the other, its a good way to self-reflect and also learn the differences in culture.

QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 18 2009, 03:07 PM)
Dude I can see that.

I'm referring everyday life. You don't see me speaking riddles when talking to someone.  shakehead.gif
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Those aren't riddles, its just to show you how confusing and tricky the english language can be. All those words are used in real life and you may often come into conversations where a word that sounds the same and is spelt the same way is used in the same sentence but means completely different things.


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post Aug 19 2009, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 18 2009, 11:43 PM)
Chinese is still more tricky and complicated than simple english

I'm not saying one is harder than the other, but if you think English is simple, you couldn't be further from the truth. Chinese has its tricks, and so does English. The rules of English are simply, but the way the language is used, is incredibly complex.

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Observe the chinese characters, how it is written and why its written or having strokes like that. each represents a meaning, example 死=si or die. If you look at it carefully, it is like a knife. The strokes. So each character has its meaning and represents the sophistication of the culture.
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Its beautiful no doubt, but you have to consider its flaws. With so many different characters, people do forget how to write certain words because the written language doesn't correspond directly to the spoken language.

QUOTE(eyhc89 @ Aug 19 2009, 12:21 PM)
From Chinese ed vs English ed to Mandarin vs English doh.gif
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Kirk is displaying a very typical chinese ed mentality laugh.gif Believing in the superiority of his own culture without trying to understand the other.

QUOTE(IgnitedSoul @ Aug 19 2009, 12:35 PM)
Another word for this is simply "Pun" or "double entendre"

Yeap, something I use very often for humour, and its something most chinese ed people just can't understand.

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if you have been into an international school you would find that ppl are more open towards cultures cuz they are force to blend in like that. while ppl in local school.....  i forgot how local school operates ^^ so i can't give a opnion on that matter
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Even in local schools, its quite a melting pot. People do mix and blend in. Chinese ed people are more closed to such approaches though, and normally form their own little cliques.
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post Aug 20 2009, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Kar @ Aug 20 2009, 05:41 AM)
Chinese educated or English educated in my opinion doesn't really matter. I mean, why should the language be the determination of an individual's state of mind? An individual is an individual, if the particular individual was educated in a Chinese school but yet was brought up to lean towards the liberal side, why can't he/she be liberal? Vice versa, if an English educated individual was brought up to be ignorant, he/she will be ignorant regardless of whether he/she is English educated or not.

I've met some good ones and some really stinky ones. That's for both sides.  smile.gif
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Language shapes the way you think, you have to be able to think in certain ways to speak different languages. Ignorance exists in any culture, the point of this topic is to discuss the differences between the "english educated" and chinese educated" people. The term does not restrict the definition to what language they use, but their overall upbringing.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 20 2009, 01:54 PM)
Really?
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Yeap, because language itself evolves from culture, and depending on your culture you express and see things differently. Different languages have different ways of describing things. Some language have terms that don't exist in other languages and you would be hard pressed to even describe it using several words.

Does it shape your mindset? Yes, but so do other factors. The more you're exposed to, the more different you would think compared to being "pure" in one aspect of your culture.

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So I understand English, Chinese, Malay, a few other dialects and Japanese. What am I now?

Depends how you think la laugh.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 21 2009, 01:50 AM)
Hm...

This could hardly convince me as my friends who are english educated, brought up in an english-spoken family, having traditional conservative mindset: they are buddist (no offence to buddist), they don't go pubs, don't drink, stay at home, study, work, no vulgar words, no sports games (maybe they don't like sports), they don't attend parties, t-shirt jeans, no make up etc.

So, in conclusion: language does NOT shape one's mindset to be more open-minded.

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did I say anything about being open-minded? laugh.gif
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post Aug 22 2009, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 21 2009, 08:50 AM)
Taken off the word "open-minded", I would still insist my stance and the entire meaning I'm trying to tell doesn't go far from there.
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and neither does it contradict what I've been saying smile.gif Language alone is not the indicator. Someone can not speak mandarin at all and still be considered "chinese ed" if they display the qualities of it.

QUOTE(teongpeng @ Aug 22 2009, 01:10 AM)
example: ad hominem, i didnt even know there is a word to describe such things. Heck i didnt even know arguing in ad hominems is even possible. But learning about the meaning allows me to express myself in such ways when i want to...not that i cant do that before....just that now i can consciously use ad hominems. And that makes a whole lot of difference.
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That's latin btw laugh.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 22 2009, 01:19 AM)
Ya, recently I know that you come from Penang and I suppose you know Hokkien.

Mandarin and Cantonese do have the similarity as English does.

Perhaps you would like to check it out.
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Similarity? Do explain ^^
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post Aug 23 2009, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 23 2009, 10:08 AM)
It's common to see and English ed to look down on a chinese ed back those days. But I think now its lesser? I am not so sure, with the importance of mandarin, alot of young adults are being aware of its potential.

In all honesty, I've never met any english ed that looks down on another person because they can't speak english well. They may go "man, your english sucks dude!", but they're not looking down on you, they're just stating a fact. Their mentality is more "straight forward" rather than going through the hoops of fake politeness practised by oriental cultures. Chinese ed people who come across this may easily feel like they are being insulted or looked down at, when its simply not the case.

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But no matter what sort of views you have or see here, it does not apply to everyone. Each to their own. But one thing, I feel strongly about, your not a chinese if you are not able to speak your mother tongue or the chinese national language and for those english ed, i would suggest picking it up. Acknowledge your identity as a Chinese. But then this is my view only and suggestion. smile.gif
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In here lies the discrimination of the chinese ed against the english speaking chinese. It may only be "your view" but its one shared by the chinese educated community.

QUOTE(JCCJ @ Aug 23 2009, 11:06 AM)
My gf very straight and open minded. A lot of my frens are chinese ed, really close minded and they like ppl to guess what they like. I think this is the big different between chi ed and eng ed.
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Yeap, that's one of the differences as well.
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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 23 2009, 12:25 PM)
A different approach perhaps?

Yeap, the approach is different. I'm not saying who is right/wrong. Simply that we must realise that people have different approaches and learn to understand the approach. If you feel insulted when no insult was meant, who's fault is it? Yours or the persons? You can't expect the world to change for you, but you can change yourself.

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Shouldn't it be that way? Then who are you? What is your history? Where did your ancestors come from? All those sort of stuff which is all interlinked.
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I give myself meaning, not the people who came before me. They are an important part, yes, but they are not me. I find it hilarious sometimes when a chinese says that I'm not chinese because I don't know the language, giving the same reasons you do. Then when I ask them about the history of their culture, most of them can't answer. Ask about the history of china and its dynasties, can't answer. I doubt you're like that, but many are. Which in my opinion, just makes them hypocrites.
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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 23 2009, 12:58 PM)
Yes, If this was the states or England. I'm sure every Asian will have to adapt to be more open or straight forward. But this is Asia now, So, the one who should be thinking twice is the person who gave out such remark. wink.gif

I don't see white people here only Asian's.

That's a very stupid mentality. "We're like this, so be like us", "we're asians not whites", its an incredibly stupid distinction. You don't see their values based on their culture, but how their culture lead to the values, and what those values mean. Its not that I don't understand or don't know the asian values, I do, I just don't agree with it because it doesn't make sense to live that way.

Its the culture of being so polite and politically correct that people have not learnt how to deal with differences in opinion. Rather than face a problem, they will choose to hide from it. Its also this culture where everything is a "front" that causes so much distrust and insecurity and also so much backstabbing. Why would I want to follow such a social norm? I can manoeuvre around it if I have to, but if given the choice, I would rather be myself.

Both cultures have their good sides and their bad sides, the idea is to learn from both and integrate them, rather than foolishly following one or the other because "that's the way it is".

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Well, I can see that view. I would also understand what you mean. Oh well. There bound to be people like that in any culture. I am not saying your not chinese but I would say there's no harm picking up the language which identifies you who you are. Your origin of culture. That's all.  smile.gif

If you want to know the age of a civilization. It's in their language.

Korean, Chinese, Thai's, Indian's. All have their own writing. Those with early civilization or not much of a history use english romanized characters like us malaysia, singapore etc.

That's due to colonisation more than anything else. Japan itself uses writings from china

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In the States some Asians really wanna be Asian but here in Asia we have Asians who really wanna be Whites. Damn it's weird. Just be proud to be Asian.  laugh.gif
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People want what they do not have laugh.gif
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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 23 2009, 07:38 PM)
Then my friend, you will face these problems everyday cos you will be considered out of the norm and in your own world.

Like you said good and bad. But as long you don't regret your path chosen then that is ok.

Its only difficult when meeting people like you who can't seem to accept differences and compromise, simply because "we're in an asian country, do it OUR way". Of course you're ignoring the fact that you're not really in China but in a Malay country, so if your mentality is true, shouldn't you be following a more malay style of thinking?

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Japan are descendants of the chinese and so are the koreans.

That explains their character writings.
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laugh.gif In a way true, but you got the details totally mixed up. Even if the Japanese are chinese descendants, they split up way before a unified chinese language was created. The chinese characters used by the Japanese (Kanji) were brought to their country MUCH later, and since at that time the Japanese people had no form of writing, they adopted it, and slowly evolved it into their own language forms.
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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 24 2009, 03:47 AM)
Well, Since Malaysia consist of three major races. Those who are malay origin will face the malay culture, and same for the chinese for their chinese culture and etc for the indians.

We are talking about the people around you everyday, if your chinese then most of the people around you are mainly chinese hence the culture of acceptance. Same for malay and indians.

I am not trying to make it difficult for you nor forcing you to accept my view. You can understand it but acceptance is another issue. I myself may not know much but I don't mind listening or hearing other people's view's like your good self but once again its about acceptance.
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And people wonder why this country has no racial unity tongue.gif I mix with people from all races/cultures, and yes, on a daily basis. Heck, even my core group of friends, although they are chinese, they do not have the traditional chinese mentality. Doesn't this just show how narrow your point of view is? just because you think I'm chinese that I'm surrounded by traditional chinese thinking people laugh.gif
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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Aug 25 2009, 09:55 PM)
So, I'm an english ed who decides to put in the le or liao. Does that make me a chinese ed automatically? That statement you made is so wrong and general.  rolleyes.gif
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From the way you write, there's no way you're an english ed.
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 26 2009, 04:15 AM)
My post there was more like an addition to my previous one. In the one before that, I have already stated that I believe Malaysian Chinese exist in a climate unique to themselves and no other Chinese populations.
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There are "differences" of course, but in essence, they share many traits. The choice isn't a binary, there are many levels in between both extremes. Chinese in Malaysia are of course have been influenced by the culture around them, but their past does not leave them entirely. If you think they're in a bubble of their own, you would be sorely mistaken. The chinese educated here tend to follow trends from HK/Taiwan/China. With the advent of mass media, sharing the culture across vast distances is easy, so how can such a bubble exist for the Malaysian chinese if they're absorbing the culture via mass media?






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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 26 2009, 03:31 PM)
Trends are really just the surface level of things, aren't they? I am quite sure that you will notice huge differences in thinking and behavior between Chinese in Malaysia, Singapore and Taiwan, and these differences lie deeper than trends.

Actually the differences lie mostly in the surface level of the trends, the core attribute that leads them to follow such trends, remains the same. This is the point of similarity. If your mentality is not the same to begin with, you won't be able to follow the trend, you won't understand it and it won't appeal to you.

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If the Chinese diaspora indeed did not exist in bubbles unique to their own geographic locations then we would have more understanding between ourselves. But from my own observation I have seen nothing but a lot of suspicion, misgivings and assorted feelings of superiority/ inferiority, lol! It's very rare for me to observe something that goes otherwise.
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I see such behaviour as just being traditionally chinese.

QUOTE(M1dN1ght @ Aug 28 2009, 01:23 AM)
Banana = can speak English, but cannot speak Chinese.

So basically if u're proud to be Banana, u're also proud to be unable to speak Chinese.
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I'm proud of my banana-ism that allows all women to speak the same language with me smile.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 4 2009, 09:06 PM)
There's no one robbing anyone's belongings, why are they not respecting each other?
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because based on certain criterias, the person may not respect the other simply because they deem that person not worthy of respect.


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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Oct 19 2009, 12:24 PM)
Chinese ed FTW

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