could is be that, they think it is a scam or con job, simply because they expected easy profit in return? but when that didnt happen, they rage and call it scam?

Put it this way..if i go buy a product, like maybe a 10gm gold bullion worth RM2,000 and i found out :

1) The gold shop i bought from doesnt buy back
2) If i sell to other gold shop for cash, there will be 20% deduction of total value
3) If i sell to other gold shop for gold exchange, there will be 10% deduction of total value

Is it a scam?

Since i am not getting exactly the same value of what bought if i am to sell it out.




Let's assume above example is not good enough coz it doesnt encourage you to recruit new member. Let's talk about Sports Club membership.

I join a sports club membership for RM20k where the manager say their club membership will only go up, not down. and instead of product worth 20k, i get facilities to use worth >20k. If i encourage other ppl to join, i will get commission of 10%.

So after couple months i decided to sell off my membership, assuming it is transferrable - but the value dropped and new buyer only will buy at RM15k. So is the membership a scam? Since manager said will go up one.

And if assuming the membership is not transferrable, then all RM20k is burned. Like Lamberger's RM2495 (but at least u still hold on to RM2495 product). So is the club a scam?



Not siding anyone, but jst want to try seeing from a different perspective whether it is actually a business transaction, but others believe it is a guarantee-profit investment.

hie dupe....

and dupe, do read my post #1390...

lets put it this way, i recruit you to join my company, you pay me RM2495.

i give you 1 A4 paper, i tell you it is worth RM 2945. Now you go find 5 friends join my company and each of them pay RM 2495.

the paper? you can do as you like, you got time you go sell it, you no time you keep at home, important you find 5 friends now.



you see the model of business? no matter it is lamp ke, paper ke, souvenier ke, antique ke, watch ke wateva, the "product" is worth all "what i told you" only. you don't know if the price of the product is correct, i can say oh this very good pen can sell rm300, but got people want to buy this pen? this pen really worth rm300 meh? in the end all also i say only.

but your money pay to me already, i am not going to refund you rm 2495 if you can not sell you know? that is your problem now.

i now teach you one way to earn back, find the 5 friends. the more the merrier, the faster you earn back commission.


now what choice do you have?

1. sell the expensive product
2. get more people to join
3. don't do anything and waste the rm2495

like this can not consider membership or investment already, there is no investment value in it, the soul of the business is a pyramid feeding on new recruits, selling products can't let you earn.

you pay 2495 for some lamps, how much you want to sell? rm3000? and earn rm 500? how long it takes to sell off all the lamp/oil/etc?


so they brainwash you:

1. whoah you see this business so good, got see the lambo/ferrari/porshe parked outside? all our members punya worrrrrr!!!!
2. so good business ar you can do it very easy you know? just tell you friends to join your team, bigger team can earn faster etc.
3. when your friend earn ar, you also can earn, so what you waiting for? faster go find friends larrrrr.

but they don't tell you what is so imba about the lamp/oil/other products and why would anyone wanna buy from you lulz. after brainwash, all got jelly with lembukini/felali and semangat liao

for the 1st example, if you buy it yourself, it is not scam because the shop don't recruit you to buy. however if you refer to genneva gold, where they recruit you and promise kaw kaw, based on a non sustainable business plan, it is a scam.


for the second example. in fact i think no manager can guarantee the fee, although it might go up. but they don't tell you to sell your own membership, the main point is getting the 10% commission. and at least a gym membership is useful to those who are joining, compared to a lamp/oil thingy which is ... well why do you suddenly need an expensive lamp?

nice. good example on the A4 paper thing! i like!

but let's be fair...

when you tell me the A4 paper costs rm2495, i believe i do have sufficient brain capacity to analyst whether that is true, and of how difficult it is for me to sell it off.

So assuming i believe in the product and proceed to sign up, hoping to sell the A4 and failed - i doubt it's fair to call it a scam jst because of my own failure.

So assuming i dont believe in the product being able to sell, but i believe in able to recruit another few ppl to cover my expense, wat does that make me?

And finally, assuming i dont believe in the product able to sell, yet i still sign up - what am i hoping to get then?


From all above, there is one trait that shows in humanity - greed, selfish and pushing responsibility.

1st bolded : i failed as a salesperson, and i push the blame to the company for giving me lousy product - but hello, did they force me to be their salesman? did i wake up one day and suddenly, i AM their salesperson? did i know NOT what i will be selling? If i have faith earlier that i can sell, then why not now? What have changed? The product remain same. So what changed? My own failure.

2nd bolded : i know the product suxks. but i plan to get some friends in to cover my own expenses and maybe earn their money also. but what happen after they got in? well, fark them. so long my rm2495 got recovered and some profit, i couldnt care less about their expenses.

3rd bolded : i know the product suxks. and i dont think i can sell them off. so wat the fark am i signing up as a member and pay RM2495?


So is it still a scam when they have laid out everything in front of your eyes? Show u the product. Let u know how much it is selling. Share u the terms and everything?

the keyword here is need. why so many need LV, Prada or GUcci handbag when a bag 1/4 of the price still can provide same functionality?

I believe we dont blame others and call them scam jst because they are selling us product that's a lot more expensive than other place.

It is your decision to purchase. And i am sure the same goes to lampe berger.

Ppl join such MLM because the managers/up-line make it sound so easy to earn money. Like all u need to do is jst sit at home, shake leg and go meet a few person. then poof! u got RM100k in ur account by end of the month.

Unfortunately, that doesnt happen. U need to put in lotsa time and effort. And yet. that doesnt ensure 100% success - which is how all business is.

So when u didnt get back the RM100k promised by your manager/upline, that should and can be easily obtained, u start calling them scam and etc.

The problem is, you believed them when they say money fall from the sky. When you were all hyped and motivated, u worship them when they show you their 7 series.

So who's fault is it really?

Like the chinese saying, if a cow dont wanna drink water, you cannot force it to drink.

And if i may add, it is a scam, when :

1) Product sold differs from sample shown - meaning u didnt get what you were promised after u paid up

or

2) You didnt get anything at all after payment made



Else imagine if i try to sell you iphone 5 at RM8,000.00....and u agreed to buy, maybe u didnt know market price or u have too much money to spend. After u got the iphone 5 and show to ur fren, everyone laugh at your for spending Rm8k on a Rm2k product.

Do you call me a scammer? or blame urself being clueless?

This post has been edited by Mech Warrior 6: Mar 13 2013, 11:27 AM

i say A4 paper so that we know the product is actually shit. but they don't tell you it is shit, they tell you this is premium lamp, premium pen, premium whatever, and with the premium packaging and brainwash you that it is all premium and worth a premium price. they put forward "examples" of agents who sold such and such products and earn a lembukini. lembukini now park outside you can go and see. but they don't tell you the example is made up, the lembu is rented, the salesman if doing recruitment to earn and not really earning by selling the product.

therefore, if you believe in the product, or blinded by the illusion, and then fail to sell the product, it means the whole thing is a scam to trap you. whether you want to take that chance it is up to you, but you taking the chance doesn't automatically means that the company is clean and not at fault.

assuming you don't believe in the product, but still join and recruit, then you are in the category who aims only to earn fast money. there are indeed some of those who i know, which use the scam scheme to get money, they can shamelessly tell you, i don't care about the product or any shit, got money come in, if shit happen all is the company problem, i also is victim. as long as they know they are the top layers, and they won't lose money.

yes they do force people to join, if you joined their seminars or recruitment:

Got money? got - why not you roll it and earn more? no money - no money itulah kena cari jalan buat duit, pergi pinjam modal, nanti boleh bayar balik.

you got think about your parents? they bring you up and take care of you so many years? you not ashamed of urself now that you only earn ciput? you don't want to find a way to give them a better live?

you want to forever live a poor life is it? you don't think about you parents, you also need to use money for yourself lah, now got chance for you what you waiting for?

just some examples, more nasty oso got lol. they don't bring gun, but they plant guilt in the heart. normal people like me say this to you, you don't feel the power, those brainwash/motivator/consultant, focused on how to psycho people into their weakness, and indirectly force them to join.

somemore they don't target people who have knowledge about such things, they go target the spm people, college people, undergraduates, who have less exposure to such issues/ business thing. they talk to 100 people got 10 people join they earn already. those who joined will help them to trap more people. good business for them, shit for us lol.

they influence your decision with the intention to cheat you, that is considered as scam. no, getting lv or prada with premium price is not scam, but getting a petaling street lv with real lv price is a scam.

lampe berger as in the original company from france is not scamming anyone, they sell products. they don't recruit people to feed on downline.

the company including dchl etc in malaysia, bring in the product, recruited agents, told agents to recruit downline and don't focused on selling.


for the last part, if i cheated you, you accept my trade, you were hyped or what. yes, partly is your fault cuz you never check properly and you belip me. however i am still a cheater. i don't suddenly become legit just because a victim willing to accept my trade.

both, the buyer is clueless, and the seller is scamming. as explained above.


afterall how is it possible for one to have clue for everything? is it these clueless people who are targeted. but that doesn't mean the clueless people are fully at fault and the company is fully clean and legit.

so their only scam is that they are very good with persuasion skill?

they show u some object that u never seen before and then tell u this one can be sold for xxx amount and u believe them. then suddenly they become scammer?

i still kenot brain ler mang.

assuming i am a creative lad, i create some useless object to be sold at premium price. and ppl buy. then suddenly i become scammer?

and on recruitment, they already told u up front u need to recruit xxx member to get back ur rm2495. and xxx more to get further profit.

so why would u sign up for something fully aware of what it is, and when u failed to achieve it, u call it a scam?

They influence with intention to cheat you? How?

And let’s be clear, if they sell u a petaling st lv and tell you it is petaling st lv and u still buy it, then it is NOT scam.

If they sell u petaling st lv and tell u it is original lv from Milan, then yes, it is scam.


And lastly, are u sure that if I sell u above market value, and u purchase it, I am a scammer?
Have you bought things from stores, only to find out 3 stores down the road is selling cheaper? And would u go back and call the store that sold u more expensive is scammer?

I am sure ur not a businessman, or have friends doing business. -__-“

hehehe the intention to cheat. explaining properly and misleading is different. although both are talking skill.

you create a useless thing, you sell it, ok. some people might want to display or what.

but you created a useless thing, and tell people this got so many function etc and sell it. it is scam

lampe berger, the main company, is not scam, the company recruiting agents here is. they don't create any product. they bring in the product, as you to pay, after that no body care about any product anymore, they want you to recruit more people. they don't care if you sell or not. get more people so that they can feed.

they don't tell you that you need to recruit xx member to get back the money, they told you that you can sell, and get commission if more people join you. when you realize the product is not the main thing for earning, you have to recruit more. they don't care if you fail to sell or succeed to sell, important thing is they already get payment from you, and your friends.

if everything you sign then not consider scam, genneva is pretty much very legit, buluh emas, ponzi, all also you sign what. when you sign, you haven't realize about the consequences. everything talk also easy mah, they don't tell you the hardship and the negative side. you are not fully aware at all at the time when join.

ahh..good good.this one i am interested..share with me more.
the part about create useless thing, and tell ppl it got many function which i believe, by right it doesnt.

so wat functionality does lampe berger claim to be but didnt or isnt?

i see where you are coming from.

but why do others still feel like they are being conned/scammed:

1. they all pretend to be rich fags driving nice car, when actually it's rented or maintained by 3-4 people (true story, but not sure if all members do the same)

2. they teach dirty tricks to raise the money (come on, using education fund, selling off hp and computer? that's not right)

3. they target the vulnerable coz easy to brainwash (ok this is very subjective too)

4. people pay RM2,495 and get some lamps that they are not even taught or asked to sell. and what LB is doing here is like you apply for a sports club/gym, and you get a towel or a bag complimentary. when you bring a friend in, you get RM100 lets say, and on top of that, your friend gets a bag or a towel too. with that bag/towel, you both can choose to sell it or use it, but the thing here is, who would sell that bag/towel? in LB's case here is just you to keep asking your friends to join, and your strategy to your friends is the 10% return for every new member, but the purpose of joining is not known. it's not that everyone wants the lamps, it's just something they get out of the money they invested (like the free towel/bag).

How mlm works is there is usually a platform for products with a turnover. for example, amway. you need to use detergent, you need vitamins. instead of getting them from watsons or tesco, amway says get it from them. when you recommend it to your friends, your friend joins, and you get some comm out of the membership fee or something like that.

but for LB, what turnover? oil? lamps? and their main purpose here is not to sell more lamps. it's get more people to join so that they can get more people to join. and in return, we give them lamps.

well that's my POV.

adui, they don't sell lamp to you as a main thing, once you are in, you are trapping your friends, and feed on their commission, that lamp thing is not the focus anymore. the whole idea is recruitment and pyramid. i am doing business or not has got nothing to do with this.

i have seen boxes of craps stuffs in friends house, and all they do is recruitment.

i have said the lamp company, the lamp itself etc is real product, but it is not what the agency here want you to sell understand or not? it is only a first step to get you in. when you think it is legit, as it might appears, the next thing you do, is pump in more money to chase the rank, and recruit for pyramid and feed.

the whole idea is not to scam using the lamp, they give you the lamp so you feel that it is secure. without realizing the real thing they want you to do is to build the pyramid. that is the real scam.


the france company producing the product is really selling the product.

why is this topic up and running again? got ppl kena con again?

because got someone here defending LampBerger business, trying to spin and spin to justify its existence.

ur number 4. example is really good.....

but from all above, i still kenot see the right in labelling it as scam. because legally, they give u product worth xxx amount...and ask u to recruit members like what some new sports club will do.

what they actually scam u with? their promises of easy money if u recruit more ppl? but this is true isnt it? if u recruit more members, then indeed u got more money.