this topic really attracted me coz i was once almost conned by them. now this happened several years back and it's still quite fresh in my mind.

i was a college student and used to live in the hostel, and i was very close to my next door roommate, Michelle.

Michelle had this guy classmate (Ralph) who always ask her out, but she didnt go. Now Michelle is a party girl so one day, he asked her out to a party. He said it was his 'part-time job' boss party and he could bring anyone. And so he told Michelle that she could bring anyone too.

So she took me along.

When we arrived there (i really cant remember the place), the place was filled with 90% young people & 10% older people, in total about 70-80 people. Music was loud. Alot of drinks. It was a private karaoke lounge if not mistaken.

Everyone greeted us when we walked in. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was SOOOOO FRIENDLY to us. I have never experienced that in my life! Never felt so welcome before..

So we ate, dance, drink sang a bday song, bla bla bla... Occasionally they shouted their MLM cheer (but we didnt know what it was all about and we didnt care coz we were having fun)... Some really hot guys took our phone numbers but NOBODY talked bout business that night. one of them was Patrick.

When we were leaving, we waited at the lobby (Me, Michelle and Ralph). We were going to take a taxi. It was pretty obvious the taxi stand was down the road, but Ralph insisted that hiring a cab at the lobby will be easy. That was when we saw the rest of the people waiting for jockey to bring their flashy cars, BMW, AUDI, MERC, you name it. Me and Michelle was thinking like wow! we just scored ourselves some rich guys. but we didnt realise that was a tactic..

Ok, so over the next few days, Ralph didnt really bother us, until about 1 week later he did a follow up with us by having tea with us. Of course we asked him where he got to know those people (him being a student himself) and what to the rich hot guys work as. He didnt tell us. He said if we are interested to know more, he will bring us to their work place.

We went to HLA the very next day. everyone was dressed in suit and tie. So damn smart lor.. I saw Patrick again, and attempted to smile at him, but he clearly didnt remember me at all. Then i realise got something fishy d..

They took us into the 'meeting hall', we there were many small tables and about 3-4 people per table. mostly chinese. and they sat us down on 1 table and started telling us about LB. Took us to tour around the office.. show us Estebel products and all the oils and lamps from the cheap to the most expensive. even went up to the Duke rooms. and then i realised wah.. Patrick is an Arch Duke... *fall in love* straight... and NOBODY talked about money that day..

coupla days later, Ralph asked us out again to the office. Me and Michelle were quite interested to learn more and earn more. So we went.

Was briefed by 2 girls (Sylvia and 1 more cant remember her name) and they told us about the RM2345 + RM150 thing.. we were quite surprised and kinda demotivated la... where got so much money... they ask us to go back and think about it and then let them know if we are interested.

After that day, Sylvia kept asking us out to go clubbing. We also kept going la.. And everytime we wondered, wah they got so much money... and each time also me and Michelle no need to pay.. This went on about 2-3 weeks.

Then she kept making appointment with us to go back to their office to discuss further.. we kept hesitating but one day we decided to go back la. They really seem like they have alot of money.

So we told them we dont have the money.. then they made a loud announcement half way thru the discussion. "This is our COUNT SYLVIA who just made RM10k last month!" and everyone in the hall cheered.

walaueh we were so greedy we were so interested. and they said they cannot help us financially but they can help us to think of ways to raise the money:

step 1 - ask from parents

if step 1 fail, step 2 - ask from friends

if step 2 fail, step 3 - sell off your computer and mobile phone (they said CONFIRM can get it back within 2 months)

if step 1,2,3 fail, skip 1 semester and use the money to pay (but dont tell parents).

when i heard that.. i became suspicious d. but i pretend like im still interested and still continue to feed on their free clubbing la..

i then got to know a guy, BeXXXX, who was a Duke. He is from another group. He kept asking me to go out with him. I was thinking he wana tarik me and put me under his team.

But it turned out, he liked me and he told me not to fall for the scheme. He said that everyone there is just putting a show. One BMW is shared and maintained by 3-4 people and they take turns to drive them. Most of them are in debt, especially the 'COUNT' and Marquie. BeXXXX is also driving a BMW but he is also a banker so his BMW is paid using his salary la. He is there to earn some very rewarding extra money.. he also said, first they will persuade you to sign up for RM2345 + RM150. but after signing up, they will tell u RM30k level gives you a higher % in return... in the end who earn? the arch dukes and of coz, steven yeam.

So in the end, me and michelle stopped going to their office. Sylvia and Ralph kept calling us, we rejected her and told her we were not interested to do business..

In the end after that semester, Ralph quit his studies to focus on his 'business'. I am not sure what happened to him after that or how he ended up. Maybe one of the arch dukes? Maybe not? I dont know.. but i thank god he sent me BeXXXX to wake me up. I almost fell for the trap.

You are right, I was about 20 years old, and they target people around that age coz we are very very much easier to influence.

So anyway, thanks for reading =) and please.. warn all ur friends who might fall into their trap!

bcoz scamming can get rm10k-rm50k per month, and u don't have to work your ass off to get that amount, that's why many desperate people resort to scamming

thanks jennaho for the comments

Friend of mine pursuade me to join this. first time i was very pelik, why my old friend contacted me. after several times went out with her,she ask me.to follow her to this Menara.she brief me evrything.

i remembered that i told that i cant join.no money.she told me,she will drive bmw back and want me to buy bmw same like her.after i refused,now she not contact me,even sms me. only freind because of money.and to join this mlm.

bullshit!

saw LB kiosk at one utama shopping mall selling their products..

Forummers.. We are an Oil company having office in HLA (we occupy half the building) I see lots of youngsters pile up after 8 PM till midnite. The sad thing is most of them are Malays get kena... Those who come for first time are never seen at all.

Everyday morning, the building management need to wipe up a truck load of cigerette buds outside building... the whole nite, the sales people show off with rented expensive cars..

Surprisingly, I noted these people do shoot-out of guys dressed in suits in front of HLA building, with rented cars... later after some time, I see those suitors (??) going in normal dress by walk or by taxi...

Who are cheating and who get cheated?? Its very sad to see people con on this kind of bisnes...

that is ur friend attitude problem la.
why u go blame the product?
bangang hang nie...

so in another word..no one is making money there even when they managed to attract new comers to sign up...

lol why are they still there even if 1 bmw need 3-4 ppl share... u sure it's scamming or not? sound to me more like putting urself in debt marketing course.. lol

because of the product, her attitude change

because of money = force to join
product = her
no product = no force

i am not bangang. i think u are the one bangang

true also..
that means because of u i change attitude...

me good attitude person
meet u with bangang thinking make me rage
i slap u silly
so ruin my good attitude image
conclusion is, u are the problem lar right?
nice one!

based on what i remember, this is the hierarchy and some of the numbers (just a rough estimation only)

SYN
|
Arch Duke
|
Duke
|
Marquis
|
Count
|
Baron
|
Franchise

i join. i pay RM2345 + RM150. total, RM2495. this i get Franchise status. to up-level to Baron, i need to bring in 5 franchise (means 5 new recruits who will pay RM2495). you can also speed up your level-up to Count by paying 30k.

how do they earn money?

if i am a franchise and i recruit you (as a franchise), i get about 5% 'commission'. where the other 95% go? 10% to baron, 15% to count, 18% to marquis, 20% to Duke, 22% to Arch Duke, and 10% to SYN or something like that. (just a random estimation)

so u imagine, i only get 5% when i recruit 1 person. but there are 5 other franchise who will bring in more money to the baron. for example: me, you, he and she. 4 of us are all franchise under baron ABC. all of us bring in 1 new franchise for March. the 4 of us will only get 5% of the 1 friend that we bring in. but the baron ABC, he will get the 10% from me, 10% from you, 10% from he, 10% from she. you do the math for the rest.

this is a circle that will never end. why? when i invest RM2495, of course i want to get it back right? and of course if i want to get higher % returns, i want to quickly ask my recruit to recruit more people right? if i am greedy, i will think of ways to become a count right? when i know this is a scam, i will think of ways to pull other people in so that i can take back my RM2495 and get out of this circle right?

okok..seems like when u pay RM2495, they didnt give you any product but jst ask you to recruit more ppl to join. then this is definitely a membership type of thing....or scam.

unless if they give u product worth RM2495 to sell..then it's not really scam liao mang..
ur role become salesman cum recruiter/talent scout....
if like that, scam is pretty misleading....coz its more like business deal.

when i set up business, i pay x amount of money to get product, then supplier say if i can recommend them more customer, they give me 5% discount...isnt ur story above something like this business deal?

it still can be a scam, when the "products" is either worthless "memorial coins", "memorial gold plates" etc, or if the product has got no market, and they don't ask you to sell, instead you must tarik people.

steven yim i love u!!!! lol

Yes, you will get RM2495 worth of lamps. but it's a scam in a way because u dont sell the lamp mar. and who wants to buy the lamp? 1 lamp for 3-400 bucks? when you recruit people, they pay RM2495, they also get the lamps... in the end no one buy the lamps also. and you don't think about the lamps after you join because all you want is people to join so you can get your money back.

actually the thing here is not selling lamps. its about the business and the motive behind it. when they recruit you, they dont tell you how beautiful the lamp is bla bla bla.. their main purpose is just to recruit you so that you can recruit more people. just because.

the lamp is just a product that you get 'in return' for the RM2495 that you pay. it's not even a marketing tool. no one brings their lamp out and tell you how good it is, and what to use it for, etc..

hmm...so in another word, it's like u just join a company that sell lamps but somehow, you, sales person dont believe the lamp will be able to sell off...and you work as recruiter instead to recruit other sales people?

So kind of like, ur offer letter is salesperson, but actual role is HR?

hmm.. ok u just imagine, you join amway. when u join, you need to pay RMXXX to be a member, but in return you get products. they teach u to use the product and sell the products. there are thousands of products for you to choose from and u can choose to sell it or use it. if your friends use it and they like it, ask them to join.

in LB, you join then u pay RMXXX. in return you get lamps and maybe oil. do they teach you to sell the lamps? no. they teach you to recruit more people to join. so that when they join, they get beautiful lamps and expensive oil.

what is worse now is that LB has even opened a counter in shopping malls for people to try and experience the lamp and oil. so what do the franchise people do? do they even have anything to sell now? my guess is that their main job is now solely to recruit people. for what? i really dont know..

for me, LB is just like a recruiting company with nothing to sell. its just solely recruitment and my guess is the lamps is just an excuse for them to use.

got it..so it's like paying to join for a membership thing la right?
but instead of providing facilities like a sports club do, the give u souvenirs and ask u to recruit more for membership...

hmm...seems...well......not sure if it can be called be scam. rather more like, membership or investment?

well... whether it's a scam or not, its very subjective. some people think it is, some people think otherwise. but as you can see, most people who commented here have had experience with them (almost joined), or have previously joined them. and probably half of them think of it as a scam or some con job.

not sure bodoh or trolling...or this fella is a SYN sponsor himself.