What info they give?

tarik people become downline?

joining fee?

it still can be a scam, when the "products" is either worthless "memorial coins", "memorial gold plates" etc, or if the product has got no market, and they don't ask you to sell, instead you must tarik people.

lets put it this way, i recruit you to join my company, you pay me RM2495.

i give you 1 A4 paper, i tell you it is worth RM 2945. Now you go find 5 friends join my company and each of them pay RM 2495.

the paper? you can do as you like, you got time you go sell it, you no time you keep at home, important you find 5 friends now.



you see the model of business? no matter it is lamp ke, paper ke, souvenier ke, antique ke, watch ke wateva, the "product" is worth all "what i told you" only. you don't know if the price of the product is correct, i can say oh this very good pen can sell rm300, but got people want to buy this pen? this pen really worth rm300 meh? in the end all also i say only.

but your money pay to me already, i am not going to refund you rm 2495 if you can not sell you know? that is your problem now.

i now teach you one way to earn back, find the 5 friends. the more the merrier, the faster you earn back commission.


now what choice do you have?

1. sell the expensive product
2. get more people to join
3. don't do anything and waste the rm2495

like this can not consider membership or investment already, there is no investment value in it, the soul of the business is a pyramid feeding on new recruits, selling products can't let you earn.

you pay 2495 for some lamps, how much you want to sell? rm3000? and earn rm 500? how long it takes to sell off all the lamp/oil/etc?


so they brainwash you:

1. whoah you see this business so good, got see the lambo/ferrari/porshe parked outside? all our members punya worrrrrr!!!!
2. so good business ar you can do it very easy you know? just tell you friends to join your team, bigger team can earn faster etc.
3. when your friend earn ar, you also can earn, so what you waiting for? faster go find friends larrrrr.

but they don't tell you what is so imba about the lamp/oil/other products and why would anyone wanna buy from you lulz. after brainwash, all got jelly with lembukini/felali and semangat liao

for the 1st example, if you buy it yourself, it is not scam because the shop don't recruit you to buy. however if you refer to genneva gold, where they recruit you and promise kaw kaw, based on a non sustainable business plan, it is a scam.


for the second example. in fact i think no manager can guarantee the fee, although it might go up. but they don't tell you to sell your own membership, the main point is getting the 10% commission. and at least a gym membership is useful to those who are joining, compared to a lamp/oil thingy which is ... well why do you suddenly need an expensive lamp?

i say A4 paper so that we know the product is actually shit. but they don't tell you it is shit, they tell you this is premium lamp, premium pen, premium whatever, and with the premium packaging and brainwash you that it is all premium and worth a premium price. they put forward "examples" of agents who sold such and such products and earn a lembukini. lembukini now park outside you can go and see. but they don't tell you the example is made up, the lembu is rented, the salesman if doing recruitment to earn and not really earning by selling the product.

therefore, if you believe in the product, or blinded by the illusion, and then fail to sell the product, it means the whole thing is a scam to trap you. whether you want to take that chance it is up to you, but you taking the chance doesn't automatically means that the company is clean and not at fault.

assuming you don't believe in the product, but still join and recruit, then you are in the category who aims only to earn fast money. there are indeed some of those who i know, which use the scam scheme to get money, they can shamelessly tell you, i don't care about the product or any shit, got money come in, if shit happen all is the company problem, i also is victim. as long as they know they are the top layers, and they won't lose money.

yes they do force people to join, if you joined their seminars or recruitment:

Got money? got - why not you roll it and earn more? no money - no money itulah kena cari jalan buat duit, pergi pinjam modal, nanti boleh bayar balik.

you got think about your parents? they bring you up and take care of you so many years? you not ashamed of urself now that you only earn ciput? you don't want to find a way to give them a better live?

you want to forever live a poor life is it? you don't think about you parents, you also need to use money for yourself lah, now got chance for you what you waiting for?

just some examples, more nasty oso got lol. they don't bring gun, but they plant guilt in the heart. normal people like me say this to you, you don't feel the power, those brainwash/motivator/consultant, focused on how to psycho people into their weakness, and indirectly force them to join.

somemore they don't target people who have knowledge about such things, they go target the spm people, college people, undergraduates, who have less exposure to such issues/ business thing. they talk to 100 people got 10 people join they earn already. those who joined will help them to trap more people. good business for them, shit for us lol.

they influence your decision with the intention to cheat you, that is considered as scam. no, getting lv or prada with premium price is not scam, but getting a petaling street lv with real lv price is a scam.

lampe berger as in the original company from france is not scamming anyone, they sell products. they don't recruit people to feed on downline.

the company including dchl etc in malaysia, bring in the product, recruited agents, told agents to recruit downline and don't focused on selling.


for the last part, if i cheated you, you accept my trade, you were hyped or what. yes, partly is your fault cuz you never check properly and you belip me. however i am still a cheater. i don't suddenly become legit just because a victim willing to accept my trade.

both, the buyer is clueless, and the seller is scamming. as explained above.


afterall how is it possible for one to have clue for everything? is it these clueless people who are targeted. but that doesn't mean the clueless people are fully at fault and the company is fully clean and legit.

hehehe the intention to cheat. explaining properly and misleading is different. although both are talking skill.

you create a useless thing, you sell it, ok. some people might want to display or what.

but you created a useless thing, and tell people this got so many function etc and sell it. it is scam

lampe berger, the main company, is not scam, the company recruiting agents here is. they don't create any product. they bring in the product, as you to pay, after that no body care about any product anymore, they want you to recruit more people. they don't care if you sell or not. get more people so that they can feed.

they don't tell you that you need to recruit xx member to get back the money, they told you that you can sell, and get commission if more people join you. when you realize the product is not the main thing for earning, you have to recruit more. they don't care if you fail to sell or succeed to sell, important thing is they already get payment from you, and your friends.

if everything you sign then not consider scam, genneva is pretty much very legit, buluh emas, ponzi, all also you sign what. when you sign, you haven't realize about the consequences. everything talk also easy mah, they don't tell you the hardship and the negative side. you are not fully aware at all at the time when join.

adui, they don't sell lamp to you as a main thing, once you are in, you are trapping your friends, and feed on their commission, that lamp thing is not the focus anymore. the whole idea is recruitment and pyramid. i am doing business or not has got nothing to do with this.

i have seen boxes of craps stuffs in friends house, and all they do is recruitment.

i have said the lamp company, the lamp itself etc is real product, but it is not what the agency here want you to sell understand or not? it is only a first step to get you in. when you think it is legit, as it might appears, the next thing you do, is pump in more money to chase the rank, and recruit for pyramid and feed.

the whole idea is not to scam using the lamp, they give you the lamp so you feel that it is secure. without realizing the real thing they want you to do is to build the pyramid. that is the real scam.


the france company producing the product is really selling the product.

pyramid is a scam.

sports gym, you get members, they give you commission, the member you get recruited another member, he got the commission.

this one, the member you recruited, if he recruited another member, you get commissions as well, and it extend to further and further generations of new recruit.

and the fees is not for the facility, but mainly to feed the upline. the rm2495, a big percentage is not for the lamp.

you recruited A, A recruited B, you, A and B now fight to recruit C. and all of you fight to recruit D, repeat for E, F, G etc. and another person who is not in your line competes with you.

when less people can be recruited, it is not enough for feeding. but then everyone got the overpriced lamp. how to survive?

head hunting, you go in do the job. they get commission.

this one, you go in do the job, you head hunt for them, they get commission, the one you hunted, also do head hunt for them, and they get commission. no, this is not head hunting.

they don't ask you to sell, they ask you tarik orang only. you fail or not is not their concern, as long got people come in.

no one sue lampe berger because the agency is not operating under the name of lampe berger, the agency used various names which were not registered with malaysia, sue what?

A gets B, B gets C, C gets D.

D feeds A, B, C.

C feeds A, B.

B feeds A.

can last how many layers?


it is not about the failure to sell, the business itself will collapse when the money is no longer enough to supply the demand.

as explained above.

This post has been edited by pandah: Mar 13 2013, 12:32 PM

i know exactly, i have got people working in there and company taxation, those names they used to recruit people never existed. this one blow up make up another one.

they don't register themselves as lampe berger, the one opening shop now from france, is the real company selling the product. but it is not them who organized these shits

lampebergerparis.com.my/index.asp?p=/static/dealers.html

authorised dealer, no need to buy from mlm now.

if ex-stock probably too long ago lor, better get some fresh ones from the shop, can go and see the other choices as well.

you see,

lampe berger france is legit.

an agency bring in the product, and used it to cover their pyramid, however they are not registered as lampe berger, so how can we sue lampe berger leh? we want to sue the agency but they can simply come out with some other names. so it is quite difficult to sue them.

no the agency no pay tax or registered, so we don't know who is the leader responsible, even if know he still can cabut and leave the problems behind. then use other names to start another rounds.

so the problem is not lampe berger produce some product to scam people, the way the agency telling their agents to find victim is the real scam.

the problem is they don't register, they do this underground style, that is why no tax no nothing. anything happen, you cover your own, they pocket full they bye bye liao.

they don't need to rent a shop, they just rent a hall or a room for seminar ie recruiting.

product get from the upline, how the upline get? they can import from legit sos or some other arrangement.

no lah, just gather at some upline house or get some room. product view also not the main point, important show you how to become millionaire, get big car etc. in uni they just sweet talk juniors only mana ada shop and show product.