I pity you for not knowing the real situation just because you don't understand Chinese language and thought Chinese educated people are immature. That's why you and your friend end up as "ONLY TWO OF YOU IN THE CLASS". Spend some money if you can afford, visit Europe, Australia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, China etc, before making any baseless comparison. Have you ever done self examination: why you can't mix with them?

Hey, I thought only those retired uncles and aunties or those people during my grandparents generation would have high regards on English educated people, that was 20-30 years ago. It was because they could easily get a job in government departments if they understood English then.Therefore, these old people were proud and arrogant. But, dulu lain, sekarang lain.

Well, I don't know where you stay.For your information, nowadays most of the Chinese parents in KL/Selangor are sending their children to Chinese primary schools, and quite a number of these parents are English educated. They are aware of the importance of learning both Chinese and English language. There are about 10% of non-Chinese pupils in Chinese school. Are they immature?

i think S.M.J.K schools is the best, since it combines both SMK & Chinese Independent High School cultures with almost ratio 50 : 50

SMJK schools FTW, pls correct me if i am wrong





This post has been edited by marine88: Aug 12 2008, 11:10 PM

I went to Chinese primary school then SMK, doing Canadian Pre-U now. I am able to communicate with my Canadian lecturers and other international students,no problem at all.

Could it be those lecturers are trained to deal with ESL students??? Also you are fee paying student isn't it??? Care to let us know what is the approx per year fee you are paying?? Money talks isn't it eh???

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Added on August 11, 2008, 10:24 pm

Hey, I thought only those retired uncles and aunties or those people during my grandparents generation would have high regards on English educated people, that was 20-30 years ago. It was because they could easily get a job in government departments if they understood English then.Therefore, these old people were proud and arrogant. But, dulu lain, sekarang lain.

Ark890 is right when he said people don't know their own history. Do you know your own country history, esp the Emergency and post Emergency era. Who supported the commies??? What was the repercussion if caught supporting the commies or been seen as a fifth column supporter?? Spend some times talking to those (in your own words proud and arrogrant ) uncles and aunties about the past

This post has been edited by segamatboy: Aug 11 2008, 10:24 PM

beats me thought, why not recognise?.......when almost other every advanced country in the world does....

IPTAs only recognizes STPM, matrics and diploma. they dont even recognize A-levels, except for international students.

any ideas what do chinese schools take, if they do not take STPM?

they do take UEC which is equivalent to STPM as well as A-level........

btw, i dun think Chinese High School students will take STPM, but instead they will choose either UEC or A-level......

sometimes i kinda dislike IPTA, they simpy don't recognise this & that........


P/S: STPM, A-level, UEC are far more better than Local Matriculation

Geez i'm having the same thing too. U can imagine the look on my face when:
1. They told me of the Edison Chen's issue.
2. They dunno when was the GE.

Which both occured relatively close to each other.

Wat set apart in the education is not about the language, rather is the mindset. A typical Chinese mindset; everything is obstacle. Cannot do wan. Sure got problem wan. Sure will fail wan.

Again another Chinese Educated ppl here bashin me...I have already put in my comments "I am making oppinions based on MY EXPERIENCE" , so I am not generalising ALL of the Chinese Educated ppl. Maybe I am the unluck one who have seen those compared to the time when I was in NS I actually met one who was really on par on my mindset compared to those I've met in Secondary school and now.

I have already examined why I can't mix with them for ur info. Please read my comment carefully before being so angry on my thread.

And sorry if I have really offended you. FYI, I have already made visits to those countries u hv mentioned.

Eh myky44, are u having the same problem as I am having now? Geez,...these ppl really knows nothing on the RWIs...pity them.

CHS and SMK is both smae, depnds on the school and the student itself.

Many SMK student just know smoking, playing games days n night, but some get into Harvard.
CHS also got student represent uni in world chinese debate recently.But produce some gangster as well...
I mixed with both but just find that SMk student especially those can not speak Mandarin is more materialistic ...again..base on my experience with about 30 non mandarin speaking chinese...a rather small population

This post has been edited by chgchksg128: Aug 12 2008, 10:31 PM

btw, why no one here discuss about SMJK schools???

Oh ,you have visited those countries, great! Would you mind sharing your experience with all of us here how was it when you were in Taiwan, Hong Kong and China? Have you talked to the people there? They are almost 100% Chinese educated.

Thanks for sharing.

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Added on August 12, 2008, 11:44 pmGosh, it will be a never ending argument here. We have CHINESE of different backgrounds in such a small country. Like the saying goes - "the Chinese are just like loose sand"!

Take a look what we have in Malaysia:

(1) Half Chinese, the Baba & Nyonya
(2) Chinese educated Chinese (further devided into various type/stream of schools)
(3) English educated Chinese (older generation,when there were real English schools in existence)
(4) Sekolah Kebangsaan educated Chinese (1970s until now)
(5) Chinese in private schools (Sri KL & Sri Garden for example)
(6) Chinese in international schools
(7) The Yellow "Englishmen", some call them "banana"
(8) others (?)

WHAT ARE WE?

Let's be the laughing-stock of people from other countries.

"NO EYE SEE".

This post has been edited by wsf: Aug 12 2008, 11:44 PM

you are wrong, dude~~~~~

UEC is neither equivalent to STPM nor Alevel
UEC only equivalent with Australia year 12 or Taiwan pre-U examination

ppl "misequal" UEC with STPM or Alevel because
1. UEC is one of the pre-U program
2. UEC Maths1 is equivalent with STPM(the only subject that i think is really equivalent)

i disagree UEC is equivalent to STPM/Alvl
1. the full mark all subject paper only 100marks(1 point 1 mark) while Alvl/Aus paper normally hv at least 250 marks. Can u imagine how little the questions of UEC cover the entire UEC syllabus.
2. since UEC exam cannot cover the entire syllabus, student only require to do the selected question only, like 6 out of 12. In other way, u CAN skip some of the difficult topic during ur final exam
3. area of cover is not as large as STPM/Alvl, u will notice when u compare their test book
4. UEC dont hv practical tests or experimental skill questions(cant blame them also, no money mah). This is the biggest weaknesses
5. YUP, i really admit UEC maths exam tough in calculation, logical thinking, tough calculus, tough trigo....... and almost all is tough pure maths lvl. SO, all are calculation, there dont hv any idea in application. Like, wat is the purpose of matric? wat is the purpose of gausion effect?
6. YUP, UEC phys and chems not bad too, but the problem still same, most of the marks of UEC exam is to calculate V=IR, pascal........ still calculation... =.=
where is the daily application concept...
and where is the extended essay
7. Some of the Aus Uni recognize UEC because they want u to come to their country and pay OZ tuition fee to them
Singapore recognize UEC because they want to suck all malaysia talented ppl to their country
Taiwan and China? same laaa


but, UEC definitely can beat matrikulasi malaysia
for STPM or Alvl, stop dreamming la

This post has been edited by Oakha: Aug 12 2008, 11:46 PM

Dude...I speak Cantonese at home and Chinese to my chinese friends. You really think i am a banana? The sad fact is that I can't write in Chinese that's all. I have no problems at all asking for direction in Hong Kong, ordering Food and buying stuff. Yep they're 100% Chinese educated but I have no prejudice on Chinese Educated students.

It seems u have much prejudice on us...

WELL, WELL, WELL, NOW YOU SOUND DIFFERENT FROM YOUR EARLIER STATEMENT.................

GOODNIGHT AND BYE !

haha, i hate pure calculations...... seems like they wanna transform our human brain to Digital Calculator, lol......

with standard daily applications, it will be more useful........

P/S: calculation = talk cock only
application = action based on knowledges

This post has been edited by marine88: Aug 13 2008, 12:46 AM

How i wanna hug u right now and how i hope u're in UTM so i can ask u to join my debate club
Same background like me and goes to RWI! Wat more could i ask for?

Spoiler'd cos too long.
Look dude, as for me, i didn't say the problem was pro-created due to Chinese Educa-schyun. It's more of their mind set. Granted, students in Chi Ed have almost a phase reversal (that's 180 degrees) when it comes to mentality.
So as to simplify for u so that u understand me better:
1. The problem is NOT about CHINESE Education. It's the MENTALITY.

Gents

1) I will send my kids to Chinese school or whichever school that offers the most language learning opportunity.

I graduated from Chinese Ed school and I am now working in the UK. One of the edge that got me my job is because I know Mandarin.

It's a globalised world now, whoever speaks/understands/writes the most languages wins first quarter of the game.

2) I never even bothered about any current issues or read any books until I turned 20 years old. So?

This doesn't make me any smarter or any worst than people who do or don't. It's their own life, their own choice and it doesn't concern you.

It only makes you a hypocrite when you start saying things like "pity" them.

3) Lastly, don't forget, regardless of your background or where you come from, you put on your pants the same way as everyone else each morning. Use that as your measuring stick.

This post has been edited by Geminist: Aug 13 2008, 01:32 AM

i think u guys never heard b4 or even know there is a kind of S.M.J.K schools in our beloved Malaysia..........

As much as you love S.M.J.K schools, you DONT have to put it in font size 200 and in red (and green) y'know.

My stand is still as such: I have nothing against learning Mandarin (or any other language for that matter) AS A LANGUAGE, NOT as a medium of instruction. Yes, China may be rising and all, but for the forseable future, most Malaysians will send their children to English speaking countries for higher education, not Mandarin speaking countries.

And if China/Hong Kong/Taiwan is as good as wsf makes it to be, explain to me then, why in Chinese language vernacular schools, most, if not all of them are Taiwan graduates. I thought this was "Kalau tidak suka, kamu keluar" land.