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rx330
post Apr 14 2008, 10:37 AM

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wen has she looked good b4? biggrin.gif
welwitchia
post Apr 14 2008, 11:00 AM

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^ Lol..Rx, u're bad!!
Oh BTW, before I got my Sony, I always thought all Blu-rays are 1080p...which is not the case. Some of the the Blu-ray I have is only 1080i (I guess its 720p), Celine Dion - A New Day is one of them. tongue.gif
rx330
post Apr 14 2008, 11:06 AM

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a few nia, chriss botti also 1080i
i think most movies are 1080p
only concerts and documnetray tat are taken by digital HD videocam, has 1080i
but i htink the 1080i is sufficient, no?
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post Apr 14 2008, 11:16 AM

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Like u said, at 40" its pretty difficult to tell between 1080i and 1080p. If I told u otherwise, I would be lying right? tongue.gif

I did however tried the PSN game FLOW on 1080p and I dunno if its just my imagination but it does look pretty sharp even when compared to what I used to play on 1080i on my 32" R8 Samsung.

Next stop..(if I starve enough and eat more grass) would be to upgrade my amp.. which brings me to this question.

Lets say I just have a 5.1 speaker setup, do u think I will be able to "hear" a difference between Dolby D 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD?
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post Apr 14 2008, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(welwitchia @ Apr 14 2008, 11:16 AM)
Like u said, at 40" its pretty difficult to tell between 1080i and 1080p. If I told u otherwise, I would be lying right?  tongue.gif

I did however tried the PSN game FLOW on 1080p and I dunno if its just my imagination but it does look pretty sharp even when compared to what I used to play on 1080i on my 32" R8 Samsung.

Next stop..(if I starve enough and eat more grass) would be to upgrade my amp.. which brings me to this question.

Lets say I just have a 5.1 speaker setup, do u think I will be able to "hear" a difference between Dolby D 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD?
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Why don't you try to load The Digi Yellow Duck game (forgot the name). It supposed to be pure 1080p and not upscaled like most game (eg GT5p During Gameplay 960*1080 and not really 1920*1080.

Try it out and see if you can notice the diff...

and and ry to sit at least 2-4 feet from the tv to see the diff tongue.gif
rx330
post Apr 14 2008, 11:31 AM

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2-4 feet can see difference

even with ur curent speaker, shud bea ble to hear the difference, but for me not much btwn DD and trueHD, but PCM yes, tomolo will be able to tell DTS and HD MA got much difference or not
if u are a movie buff in bluray movie, the amp is worth it
welwitchia
post Apr 14 2008, 01:25 PM

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I sit around 4-5 feet from my TV..hmm..so its a good thing i got a Full HD set.

As for the amp, what would u recommend? The Yammy 663? Not released here yet right?
Also, from my limited knowledge, I understand PCM is basically uncompressed audio..like most of my concert DVDs have PCM but only in stereo. Are u saying those Blu-rays have multi-channel PCM? If so, what is it called and what is required to decode those?

Thanks ah..

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post Apr 14 2008, 02:15 PM

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PS3 can easily decode anything PCM....and coming with Firmware 2.30...the PS3 can practically decode anything on Bluray into PCM..and then the PCM signal will be passed to your AVR....and the AVR can pass the PCM signal (IINM almost all HDMI equipped can decode PCM to all it's speakers) straight to the speaker be it 5.1 of 7.1.

Prior to Firmware 2.2 PS3 can decode everything to PCM except DTS-MA.

RX Correct me if I'm wrong...

Of and yes there are some BD that comes with PCM 5.1 but I haven't seen 7.1 tho only compressed.

Although compressed it can be lossless...so don't confuse yourself... tongue.gif
rx330
post Apr 14 2008, 02:57 PM

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lapaq, u making bro wel penin lar

anyway, bro wel, just get the 663, shud be here by early may i suppose, earliest

if u on a tight budget, get a hdmi amp tat can do Multi PCM thru hdmi will do, such as the yammy 661

basically, the ps3 will decode avthing and send out as PCM (startign from tomolo)
welwitchia
post Apr 14 2008, 05:08 PM

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Thanks RX & Lapaq. One last question if u don't mind
What exactly is Bitstream..in the PS3. biggrin.gif
Can explain ah? I just went to see the optometrist.. They say i need new glasses and they freaked out when I told them I watch a 40" TV at a distance of less than 5 feet. tongue.gif

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post Apr 14 2008, 05:16 PM

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I heard W400 series 32" also is FullHD 1920 x 1080.
And its made in Malaysia?

http://www.av-forums.net/plus/redirect.php...goto=nextoldset
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post Apr 14 2008, 05:25 PM

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The 32" W400 is not available in Malaysia.
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post Apr 14 2008, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Gahleon @ Apr 14 2008, 06:16 PM)
I heard W400 series 32" also is FullHD 1920 x 1080.
And its made in Malaysia?

http://www.av-forums.net/plus/redirect.php...goto=nextoldset
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Yes. most of Sony TV in Malaysia nowadays is actually made in Malaysia rclxms.gif
Only X series is made in Japan.
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post Apr 14 2008, 05:59 PM

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hi welwitchia how the Sony 40" W400 when using on pc is it clear as LCD monitor??? as i plan to buy it soon so need some feedback also will be using for my ps3 and xbox360??

thanks
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post Apr 14 2008, 08:28 PM

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^ I tried connecting my notebook to it using HDMI and enable 1:1 pixel mapping on the W400. Here's what I noticed. If u sit about 6 feet away, its 'pretty' good BUT its not as good as LCD monitors (e.g the 24" Dell that I use for my PC).
Having said that, I've not tried a "TEXT" mode and I did not try connecting using the D-SUB (VGA) connector. Sometimes I wonder if its practical to use a 40" as a PC monitor. smile.gif

I forgot to add : Don't pay anything more than RM7000 for the 40" W400.

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rx330
post Apr 14 2008, 10:44 PM

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welwit, the ps3 now can only bitstream DD and DTS and 2 channel ocm thru hdmi as well as optical
bitstream the audio signal to be decoded by ur receiver, hence lighting up the wordings DD or DTS and pcm

players like panny BD30 and sammy 1400, is able to bitstream HBR to the receiver for it to decode truehd and dtshdma

so for ps3 to enjoy next gen audio, it will need to decode itself in the ps3 and send out the signal as PCM thru HDMI to get surround

welwitchia
post Apr 15 2008, 01:07 AM

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^ Har? Decoding Dolby HD or DTS-HD should be the primary function of these next-gen receivers right? Why would the PS3 still need to do the decoding?? blink.gif

Nevermind, found out the following

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The PS3's default is to convert recognized audio streams to Linear PCM, an uncompressed audio format, for output via HDMI or digital optical audio. This can be advantageous if, for example, you're outputting to an HDTV that has built-in speakers and decodes only Linear PCM. If you're using your own home theater receiver, though, you'll want to use the Bitstream setting: In this mode, the PS3 passes the audio "bitstream"--be it Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, or DTS-HD--through to your receiver via the HDMI or optical connector; from there, the receiver decodes the audio and outputs it to your speakers.

If you go with the default and use HDMI for a source with 7.1-channel audio, you'll need to output to a device that can read Linear PCM at 7.1 channels to get the full benefit. If your disc has DTS-HD 7.1-channel audio, that audio will be output at 5.1 channels instead. If you choose the Linear PCM default but use the digital optical connection, you can have only 2- and 5.1-channel sound. The multi-A/V-out (either component or composite video) supports 2-channel audio only.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127892/article.html

This post has been edited by welwitchia: Apr 15 2008, 01:14 AM
rx330
post Apr 15 2008, 01:22 AM

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In this mode, the PS3 passes the audio "bitstream"--be it Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, or DTS-HD--through to your receiver via the HDMI or optical connector; from there, the receiver decodes the audio and outputs it to your speakers.


the fella who post this shud be shot and hung,
heck, linear pcm 5.1 thru optical??
knn... welwit, i guess u ask the shifu here better, this is bull crap

PS3 will not send next gen audio for receiver to decode it

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post Apr 15 2008, 03:07 AM

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i wonder astro will have hd or not?
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post Apr 15 2008, 10:02 AM

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astro HDing in indon, but not in msia

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