i thought architecture + stucture engineering, sumthing like calatrava perhaps..

so it means...like all those specs in detailing drawings/plans...'....TO ENGR'S DETAIL' those ARchEngr can cover those calculation??and an another question If i continue my bachelor/degree in Taylors college...is that mean i can sit straight up for part 2?

yeap santiago calvatra is an ARchEngr...n if im not wrong, Norman Foster also is an ARchEngr..too..

calatrava is both. norman foster is an architect, but not an engineer. however he has engineers working in-house.

and yes, if u're qualified for both, u just simply dont write "...to engineer's detail". u either issue a separate drawing, or just finish off the design urself on that drawing itself .

finally, if u're talking about going straight after taylor's degree into part 2, then the answer is no. taylor's degree is not accredited with part 1. to go straight to part 2, u need to qualify/get accredited with part 1 first.

would like to ask u guys opinion ,

i plan to further study my degree course at ucsi for my BA9hons) interior arch course.

well , i heard ucsi very very strict and lecturer very strict till almost fail everyone ?

have u guys heard of this before ?

any other Uni provide degree course for I.design course ?

Thanks .

In accordance to Taylor's Program Pathway: Yes, you can.

http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/arc/arc_...ng2.php?id=251#
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http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/arc/arc_...ing2.php?id=252

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Nov 22 2008, 05:32 PM

failure is quite common in any design courses, not uniquely for interior design, nor UCSI exclusively. if u wanna get into this course, u must be aware that failure is always looming beyond the horizon, EVEN when u've prepared everything before hand.

just note that those are for RAIA part 2, not LAM.

How/Why is it so?

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Nov 23 2008, 08:58 PM

havent u experienced the crit already?

thing about design is, u can prepare all u want, but it boils down to how accurate u fulfill the brief. at times, designers are so involved with their work that they lose perspective of the goal. finally coming up with something that has almost nothing to do with the brief, despite producing 3D animation, blow-up exploded model, fancy drawings and so on.

now that's about the brief alone. we havent talked about the tutors themselves .

thing is, failure is closer to u in architecture than in any other courses. we just let u dwell on the positive side and not let u worry about failures. i mean, u'll cross the failure bridge when u get there. until then, dont worry about it.

Actually Frank Gehry do conjure forms out of nothing. There is no actual basis for his forms. So to design the way Gehry while you are still studying would probably get a failed mark.

His Bilbao Museum was designed using models. It was rumoured that he carved hundreds of models out of foam to get the form. These models are then scanned into the computer using a 3D scanner and was traced from there. Not designed using a computer as many thought(although his later works was designed in a computer)

Think of Gehry's work like Pollock's paintings. They are great conceptually but you cannot copy it as it is unique. Copying Pollock's art has no more meaning. It means something if you founded the technique but there is very little that you can do to develop it.

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Added on November 23, 2008, 9:37 pmIt is actually quite difficult to fail in architecture. It is just very very hard to do well. Unless you are completely incompetant and dont understand the brief, or just lazy(ie not finish what is required/incomplete drawings), it is very hard for tutors to fail you.

If asked to design a house, any damn shade can be accounted as a house. Just a matter of interpretation. But to design a good/great house, now that is difficult. What makes your house great? How is it great? Why is it great?

What is important in while studying architecture(as oppose to real world architecture) is the process. The tutors want to see your thought/design process. You need to show you understand the design process of how you come to your final design. Show them that you have done your research(very very important) and explored many other solution to come to your current design.

"producing 3D animation, blow-up exploded model, fancy drawings and so on."
These are just method of presentation. They are modes of communication not the content itself. Most ppl just do fancy graphics and think that it is the design. Experienced tutors will be able to see through all the fancy smoke scrren and realise that you have nothing under the fancy graphics that is why ppl fail. Remember that they are mode/methods of communication not the content itself. You need to be clear of the content that you want to express and the best medium of communicating them. Choose wisely and you will save a lot of time.


If you have passion in your work, it is very difficult to fail. Good luck.

This post has been edited by Bishop: Nov 23 2008, 09:44 PM

Wow, thanks a lot Bishop.



Nope, I have not experienced any critic yet.

I am greatly looking forward to it!

I am prepared to SHOW OFF/Show Case MY designs!

Trust me, so far after these two semesters (Year 1); I have not been assigned to design (or to create) something (such as a building) using my own personal imagination, creativity, and knowledge yet. I am impatiently waiting for that time to come!

IMO, Architecture education is very easy! The exams and assignments are all 'peanuts'!

Looking forward to the enjoyments installed for me in the future!

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Nov 23 2008, 11:12 PM

Enjoy. It is very fun. But you can say goodbye to your social life...

That does not look to be a problem to my already pretty antisocial lifestyle (in the first place).

no wonder my tutors always shoot me...yeah id always shown up with completed works but w/o the process of the design...thx man...

hehe..not really..i think the social life bubye for a while to finish the work..after submission..
yeay..enjoy again with frens and family..
and i myself still have a time to join a society,but yes i cant give full participation.
but the main point is, we can do what ever we want 2:P but the important is time management right..
but mayb it is not the same if we r working field..huhu..

but i have a few prob in terms of design..im in 2nd year now..and i got the same critic during the 1st year..
they say that i have a good idea..the idea is there..but i didnt have the 'umphh' in my design yet..
both r different assessor but both use 'umpphh' (and the assessor is not my lecturer)..i really hope that im not gonna listen the same not-so-umphh-design-yet next sem..fobia with the word umphh already..haha

any advice? i do have a lots of archi mag as design reference..d+a,am,space,blueprintasia..huhu..
n i love to consult with lecturers but sometimes i find out that they arent helping much..usually they end up with the design is ok dah..the solution is ok dah..huhu..but during the crit..kene belasah jugak la..huhu.. ..how to get the design from 'ok dah' to this is a 'umphh' design?

This post has been edited by miemon: Nov 25 2008, 12:45 PM

Simple. What is so special about your deisgn? Fulfilling the brief is necessary not an option. Fulfilling the design brief does not make it a good design.

Design is about making things better not just fufilling the brief.

Ask yourself these question "what is so good about the design?" "what is so special about the design?" If you can answer that then that is your umpphh!!! If you cannot find the answer then you know why you kena belasah...

Look back at the design you done and critic yourself.

P.S. If you have time to enjoy then you not spending your time designing. that is the other reason kena belasah...



This post has been edited by Bishop: Nov 25 2008, 01:00 PM

btw is it true if we already have part 1 accredited by LAM..
but if we want to proceed to study in uk we have to repeart part 1 again because we dont have RIBA acceditation?

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Added on November 25, 2008, 1:17 pmhaha..thank you anyway..haha..
i like to join society a lot coz i can interact more with other courses student..i thing that the only way i can socialize and make my eyes open a liltle bit that there is a lot of other things that i dont know..huhu..
for example listen to human science student talking bout political..economic student talking about boom n bear recent economy ..engine student talking bout construction in detail,mechanicsm..
i gain a lot from it..since im just sit in the studio do my drwng..huhu
and sometimes their idea's are good too..
but i guess next sem gonna be harder and tuffer..i need to reduce my social life a bit..haha..

This post has been edited by miemon: Nov 25 2008, 01:17 PM

The end product is not critical. The design process is. Without process many design have no meaning. THink about Bahaus. If you dont understand the process/idea behind it you will think that they built a box. But with understanding of the process then you will understand the complexity of social, ecomomical and construction behind it. That is what you need to show to your tutors. Not just the box, but why it is a BOX!

hey! im just wondering if there is a place for uni in sarawak got course for acht. ???? THX

what do u mean u havent had any critics yet? all architectural programmes in malaysia would have the first crit session within the first 3 weeks of 1st year.

or are u saying u havent been slammed in a crit? coz that's a different matter .

who is "we"?

if u've already have LAM part 1, u only have to sit for the RIBA part 1 interview to get ur RIBA part 1. most universities would allow u to do ur RIBA part 1 while u're studying part 2. oxford brookes goes even further by not requiring the student to take RIBA part 1 at all. but u wont get ur RIBA part 2 when u graduate until after u've finished ur part 1.

let elaborate on that:

amongst architects or in an architecture school, design process is central. but that doesnt mean u can have a brilliant design product without an end product . without the end product, design process is not enough for assessment. but without design process, it is a ground good enough to call plagiarism.

yes, it's that serious. design process is what differentiates between designs. some designs can be very similar. in truth, it's getting harder and harder to be unique. so it's like a fingerprint for designers, a chain of thought, a mind print if u may. so in school, u will be assessed on both aspects (process and product) with an emphasis on process.

but outside, is a different matter. when u're talking about the client, the public and the local authorities, it's the end product that matters. in fact, they dont even care about the process and dont wanna know about it. it's a dilemma, bcoz in school u're trained to focus on process, while outside u're required to focus on product.

that's why some students who're excellent in school couldnt survive in practice, while some students who could barely survive in school became top architects in practice. so as an aspiring architect, u guys should know what u're getting into. learn the game, know the game!

as far as i know, no. but let me check on that.

Yes that is right.

You need to be clear of the objectives of the education process. The objectives of paper architecture (academic architecture) is to see that you understand what you are doing. Hence why the process is very important. Note that earlier I said that the end product(fulfilling the brief) in mandatory. That is a neccessary. Without that you have no project but what makes a good student project is the process. This shows that you understand what you are doing.

Whereas in real architecture it is given that you understand the process(hence you graduated) so the focus is not the end product.

Take the fishing example. To do architecture is to get the fish.

While you are studying, the objectives of the university is to teach you to catch the fish. Showing up with the fish is the end result(this is mandatory). What the university spends time on is teaching you how to catch the fish. And as a good student you have to show how you came about the fish not just showing up with the fish. You show, explain and justify = why you went to that particular spot to fish(site selection), what you use as bait(material selection), what kind of rod you use(construction method), etc... Then the tutors will understand how you came about the fish and access that you have done the correct procedures/process to get the fish. This makes a good project.

Where as in real architecture, just show me the fish(the end result). Dont need to tell me the grandfather story of how and where you went to search for the fish that you are giving them. Not relavant. That is why most academics dont do well in the indusrty cause they are too caught up in the process of creating and not the creation itself(what i call too artist).

It is not a dilemma, it is just a different situation/context that as an architect you need to understand.