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 ☆Fellowship of the Strings☆Violin,Viola,Cello etc., ~String Instruments Lovers are welcome!~

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post May 26 2008, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ May 25 2008, 04:32 PM)
any brands of viola for intermediate? I wanna save up some money to get one. I'm currently on eurostring. and the bridge is really collapsing xD well, the string is 'eating' the bridge. making a hole =.= I've been practicing my vibrato, still dunno wrist or hand vibrato suits me. oh well =D my friend told me to audition for the philharmonic orchestra at my place, but i doubt my skills T.T
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Violins, violas and cellos.. these instruments are not like market "hot selling" instrument. Basically to get a good instrument, you should go for those Italian hand made. Musicians do not care much about brand, the important fact is how the instrument was it made and wood age and quality. I can introduce you some Italian hand made if you want.

For the bridge part, it is actually normal that the strings "eat" it. You can always replace a new nice bridge. Most string players does that.

Go for the audition, at least you try.
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QUOTE(icypetals @ May 25 2008, 09:56 PM)
i use my laptop to tune my guitar and violin lol

if ur pc got mic pm me, i giv u the software
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Sorry, I only use tuning fork. I do not rely on digital pitch.
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post May 26 2008, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ May 26 2008, 01:58 AM)
italians are overrated and overpriced nowadays.
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Music lovers will spent as much as they can to get the best instrument.

QUOTE(storm04 @ May 26 2008, 04:37 AM)
hilarious.... but for my case i only want the electronic or chromatic tuner for my own use... not during performance ... still beginner....
but i guess during performance the concertmaster will actually lead the tuning, no?

arigatou gozaimasta icypetals ... but i prefer a electronic/chromatic tuner so i can carry easily.... smile.gif too much hassle to lug my lappie around to classes

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Take note that there is a lot of guitar and bass tuners are selling in the market, there is very less electronic violin tuners. The conductor (concertmaster in your view) will lead us all musician to tune but we must also learn how to tune it at first too. In orchestra, no electronic tuners are allowed for you all information. If you see some, you know what I mean.

QUOTE(jikolo @ May 26 2008, 08:39 AM)
im thinking of put some mark at my violin birdge. should i do that? the wiki say that is normal for beginner to mark the bridge mith something so they can remember the position easier. i dunno what is my problem, but i always end up going to the second position for my middle and ring finger. only my index finger can grab the position. perhaps is bcoz im used to the fret at my guitar?
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It is not the bridge, it is the finger board. So yes, you should stick that on it. Most beginners do that unless you want to learn the hard way.
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post May 26 2008, 01:19 PM

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I actually got mine for AUD20k (RM60k) when I visit Italy last two years ago. I met the luthier and bring back a few of them for sell.

But I have never heard of fake Italian hand made before, this sounds really really crap.

I do not know much about middle-range instruments, what about you recommend us?

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post May 26 2008, 02:04 PM

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I was there with my teacher, also my teacher actually brings them back here to sell. Not me, I am just helping out. So, no I am not rich at all.

I should pay to visit to Chambers music. Where is it by the way?

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post May 26 2008, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ May 26 2008, 02:13 PM)
ah ok... laugh.gif
it's at the 3rd floor in Sungai Wang. they're selling some instruments there including italians, last time I check they also carry some italians going for RM40k~RM60k, along with some other used violins for sale - some of them are actually consignments.
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Ahh..great. wub.gif Hopefully there is cellos.

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Other than that, I am seeking for a middle-range electric violin. Playing the same genre all the time are sick sometimes. One of my favourite band, Yellowcard features a violinist playing along with a rock band.

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I have been playing their music since 5 years ago on acoustic. Should get my hands on an electric violin. flex.gif

Anyone thinking of playing rock music with violin?

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post May 27 2008, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ May 27 2008, 10:35 PM)
Thanks, I'll prolly just replace the bridge for now, but its quite expensive to ask other to carve the bridge >< anyway i'll try to uh go for the audition then T.T try... I'm not a pro though, and no grade basically xD just started 1.5 years ago =D found that I like viola, its very unique n i love the sound. =)

Ah~ well, dunno much of china violin, but I heard that the sound quality aint tat good? don know much of italy violins but i know they are super expensive XD German ones aint bad though. hmm... I'm looking for a rm1k ++ step up, I prefer mild sound rather than a sharp and loud type. =/ hmm~ no idea =D
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Haha, go to the store and buy one. Since you have been playing for so long, why not go for an exam as well?

I think my shop have a few RM1k-RM2k violas, come by if you want..

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post May 27 2008, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ May 26 2008, 02:44 PM)
i think they also carry some cellos but i really doubt they carry good ones though (very rarely local dealers carry high range cellos). ohmy.gif

anyway you can pay a visit just to look at what they're selling. smile.gif
that's a Zeta violin, and here's the model:
http://www.zetamusic.com/products/display.asp?id=52

and check out ian cooper, australian violinist also play all kinds of music (he IS very good).

http://www.iancooper.com

just to inspire you, this is actually done on electric violin but not guitar.
http://www.iancooper.com/sounds/IanCooperNo.mp3
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Ahh..I was there yesterday, they only have like 10 cellos. Not really a big string instrument shop. sad.gif

Yes, I know that is a Zeta but Zeta is a high-end brand. At least RM10k for one. Acoustic violin is fine but for not electric, I have to manage my spending already, moreover I need an amplifier for it. sweat.gif

Ian Cooper, haha. Suprisingly, I met him before. smile.gif Electric violins can really do a lot of sounds that is near to guitar and Ian Cooper does it. I remember to went to his concert two times, he loves Jazz but not for me but still entertains me.
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QUOTE(jikolo @ May 26 2008, 10:29 PM)
is there any tips of playing slur? i cant play slur. i always lost tempo or the sound change every time i do slur. perhaps i suddenly bcome stiff/nervous when want to do slur?
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Slurs, just keep the bow moving and put the other finger over it. Well, it is easy if you play slurs one by one and slowly and then pick it up fast. Playing scales with slurs will help you.


Added on May 27, 2008, 11:07 pm
QUOTE(icypetals @ May 27 2008, 11:01 PM)
i use my piano n ear for other times.

Wat i meant was we are on9, so got pc, and can give him a free software ma.

i like using the digital tuner and play infront of it, so i can see whether how "IN-TUNE" i play.

So more laptop detectt sound faster than an electronic device, so faster response
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Just a little question. The electronic device tuner you mean is the guitar ones? Or the violin ones with E A D G on it?

And...have you try using tuning fork before?



Added on May 27, 2008, 11:09 pmlittle ice, are you a music teacher?

I have just came back from a Guild Australia examination board meeting. If you are a music teacher, I have something for you.
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post May 29 2008, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ May 28 2008, 01:42 AM)
yeah it's a small shop, at least they carry a bit of nice violins there. have you tried them? last time i tried an italian by marcello villa, smallish violin yet produce nice and big volume. but the price is also RM60k...er no thanks, absolutely beyond my reach...i still have a lot of gears to invest... shakehead.gif

budget wise you can always try yamaha electric violin. i don't like them though, they're around RM4k i think. you can also try the piezo pickup route, around RM1000 for the pickup (fishman is very good and no modification needed on your violin) + fishman preamp for piezo pickups. although not quite the sound of solid body electric violin but at least you have a clean sound to start with. you can directly jack up to the PA system directly since there's already a preamp, so you save a lot of money unless there's no PA system.

fyi, electric violins also use piezo pickup. it's just the design that's different (like Zeta Jazz series pickup there's 2 pickup for each strings, total of 8 pickups).

as for amps, there'll be endless purchase man. AER is really good for acoustic piezo pickup sound (not sure if solid body electric violin works). for others, well you're better off with multi-fx pedal or software ampsims. sweat.gif
he's brilliant. seldom i heard electric violinist can do such a guitar lead sound on violin. when i first heard the soundclip i thought it was electric guitar for a looooong time and i never believe it's a violin, until i got myself a good soundcard and speaker (for music production purpose), definitely it's a violin.
i used to teach a bit but no longer teaching now. i do play violin as my 2nd instrument (not profesionally though), my primary job is music production thing. smile.gif

BTW Cello, mind telling which italian maker made your (i assumed) violin? i've play one made by marcello villa (he's pretty famous), priced at RM60k at chamber music but it was quite some time ago. it's actually quite nice and feel quite different from other violins, smallish, yet big dynamics (very rare you can actually PRESS the strings, which will give you all back, press more, sound bigger).

however i don't quite trust the sound under ear. playing a violin in a big hall WITH other instruments (accompaniment such as piano/small ensemble) and it still stand out, then it really has a very good projection. ease of control/dynamic range/tone is also important though, but it's hard to find one that actually project. hmm.gif
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Yes, tried some of the violins, viola and cellos but I could not play the double bass, it is way too big and the fingerboard is hard to press when I try to. sweat.gif Not to forget, bowing hard as well, I have only try the double bass twice. I tried those Italian and German instruments there, not bad I would say. But the high-end violins they have is wonderful. shocking.gif But still, no good cellos. They have high-end cellos but below my expectation. I am thinking of getting that cello for myself while I am in Malaysia.

I have two violins, one viola and two cello from Andreas Baptista (the luthier's name). The AUD20k I mention is the cello, not the violin. Marcello Villa! Haha, I have tried that when I was there, the projection is unbelievable. thumbup.gif I am still dreaming that violin in my mind. tongue.gif

Haha, I think I like the solid body electric sound but money is the issue for me for buying instrument for rock music. sweat.gif Anyway, thank you so much for all of your explanation, I learned a lot from it. notworthy.gif Hmmm..why not Gibson makes the Les Paul humbuckers for violins? laugh.gif brows.gif I have bad experience with Yamaha electric, all of their violins is heavy. But my favourite cellist use their electric cello, so I am getting that one soon. thumbup.gif Once again, too many things to buy so depends on how picky I am. sweat.gif

Well, depends on the performer who likes ensemble or solo performance. Like violin concerto, you would pick a violin that is suitable for violin concerto or those maestro series. For ensemble or orchestral, you would want to play the concerto module series for it. This is just my opinion.


QUOTE(storm04 @ May 29 2008, 08:31 AM)
some useful info sites on strings and brands...
http://www.stringsmagazine.com/issues/Stri...overstory.shtml
http://www.violinist.com/wiki/violin-strings/

and thanks cello for fixing my string smile.gif
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Aww..you are welcome. smile.gif

QUOTE(onelove89 @ May 29 2008, 07:20 PM)
anyone has any useful tips on playing staccato? Esp jumping from strings to strings >< I seriously need to work on my techniques. I'm quite ok in reading notes. I've got a whole section on staccato in passacaglia that I can barely play well.  To do staccato which part of the bow should i use? End of bow or starting of bow? or mid of bow? ><
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Staccato are trained during grade 1, you probably should know it. blink.gif

To practice staccato, bow the string and stop with your bow still on the string, stop without going anywhere else. Make sure you stop with your bow still resting on the string. Do it slowly with scales and fast. And then continue playing your Passacaglia.

Good violinist use the end, middle and near the fork of the bow. Your bow will be shaking when you do staccato but you have to control that. It is better to start to play with the "near to the fork" part which is easier compare with the end and middle. But to be good, practice all.

I know a lot of students like to tighten their bow until the bow is straight to avoid the shaking problems. This is the incorrect way and also will damage the bow. The bow is always curve, never be straight.

And here is a little video with all the advance techniques:



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post Jun 11 2008, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ May 30 2008, 12:36 AM)
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Ahhh...alright, I am not familiar with Malaysia places yet. Where is Hartamas?

There will be another research for me about violin pickups before I buy any. I am guessing most violinist out there have to get used to the weight of the electric violins, no?

Unbelievable, there is Zeta for that price? I have not been to any store to check electric violins except their official product website. I have to shout around now..

Your violin is...weird? Or maybe the background loudness frequency "copes" the sound vibration in your violin to scream louder? Wow, this is weird. This is blasphemy, this is MADNESS!!


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QUOTE(gbonE @ May 30 2008, 02:04 AM)
i play cello..for keroncong
it needs no bow..pluck

and it use nylon strings
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Huh?? Nylon strings??? May I know how is the music goes?

QUOTE(onelove89 @ May 30 2008, 04:39 PM)
haha thanks cello, I'll try master it a bit better. ><
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You are welcome. smile.gif

QUOTE(franstormer @ Jun 3 2008, 11:01 AM)
But i cant seems to play my song smoothly >_<"
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Told you a lot of time, relax. Before putting the bow on the string, make sure you do not put it hard or else you will make the bow jump. Put it softly and play with confidence, all you need is focus and relaxation or else you cannot play smoothly not matter how.

QUOTE(kerazul @ Jun 8 2008, 09:33 PM)
yeah... noticed that too. My violin seems to sound brighter without the shoulder rest. But after a few minutes of practicing, my collar bone hurts like hell.
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Do not grip the violin.

QUOTE(jikolo @ Jun 9 2008, 08:24 AM)
im wondering. is there a standard place to clamp the shoulder rest?

and another question.

is there a website that i can find the score of classical music? some easy 1 for violin
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No rules about where to put, it is depends on the position that we are comfortable with.

QUOTE(justbee @ Jun 11 2008, 01:08 PM)
do u guys hang out to play your violins together?
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For me, none of my friends play music. They just say guitar is better and they also said orchestral, classical and modern songs with string instrument is uncool. sad.gif

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There is a promotion at my music school for those who wants to learn music. smile.gif

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post Feb 17 2009, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Feb 17 2009, 08:36 PM)
yes, in learning ANy instrument at all...a good teacher is essential. Be careful...there are TONS and TONS of beruk violin teachers who cant even play violin properly yet still dare to teach students.
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There is loads of good violin teachers who can teach very well and very good but they cannot perform well because they are focusing on teaching only.

QUOTE(LukesBelial @ Feb 17 2009, 09:33 PM)
Ooo.. Really r? I think it's better if I trust my PBE instead of any pseudo-violin-expert.. Since I'm capable to play Apocalyptica, Metallica songs by violin then I think I don't need teacher lol.. all i do is just listen to the music n follow with my instinct.. So far, I've done it successfully...  icon_rolleyes.gif

What d'you think?
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Hello there. Want to play in an orchestra with metal music? Think again, it is rare. If you choose to play music as your hobby, then it will not be a problem.
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post Feb 18 2009, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(LukesBelial @ Feb 17 2009, 11:51 PM)
It is rare, but still possible... I'm planning to show that, how it suits to metal music... not just violin. erhu also... Music should not bounded by any law.. and besides that, music is not my hobby.. it is my LIFE...
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Okay, let me know the outcome.
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post Aug 14 2009, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(ViolinOffBeat @ Aug 14 2009, 12:42 PM)
Since this forum have many good teachers and violinist, hope you can give me some good advices.  My first violin teacher whom taught me for a year stopped teaching at my previous school. Now I am taking lessons from another violin teacher  for 5 months. I have stated that I am learning for fun and be able to play the violin. I am not interested to take the exam but would consider it a bonus for me if allowed. The teacher expect me to follow strictly to the beat of the metronome which my first teacher don't and right now still can't get the hang of it. I feel that it is taking the fun out of learning violin and want to stop and look for another teacher. Put it this way, I looked forward to attending classes with my first violin teacher but don't for the second.

Regards
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Tell your current teacher you would like to play like the way you want it. If not, you tell him/her that you wanted to stop. If I am your teacher, I will follow your request.
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post Oct 29 2009, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 29 2009, 10:32 PM)
the smaller "paganini" brand in rectangle shape red plastic case (made in germany) is good, RM9.90. suitable for all range of student violins/bows. if you have better instrument consider something else like "Jade", "dominant" (that goes well with dominant strings), and some of those pirastro lines. they vary from RM30~RM40 that will last you for loooooooong time (as much as 10 years and above).
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Paganini rosin? I have never heard of it before. Where is the store in Malaysia to get one?

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post Oct 29 2009, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 29 2009, 10:42 PM)
euro music @ jalan imbi got sell. practically cheapest rosin in the acceptable range. looks exactly like this:
http://www.synwin.com.sg/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=526

but above was labeled as synwin instead of paganini (the rest of the pictures are all same), i think it's the same rosin just different branding.
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I see. Any difference with Pirastro and Dominant rosins?

Oh ya, I forgot to mention about cello rosin. sweat.gif So all of these you guys were talking about are for violin only?


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