well, i've always adored david j. nightingale from www.chromasia.com since i was 18.

guess what camera did i use for this panning shot?

While for me Alex Majoli is awesome. He can easily whooped amateurs Mark 1Ds Mark III backsides with PnS.

no idea boss. i've checked the EXIF using http://regex.info/exif.cgi , no results returned.

mind telling me?

it was a sony cybershot p73 .... 4MP point and shoot

This post has been edited by soulfly: Jan 16 2008, 05:50 PM

Or Sony Ericssons P1i ?

Don't ever buy that phone if you are interested in taking photographs with it. It has a hardware problem where photographs turn out greenish on the right part of the photograph.

really ???
i show you some photo taken by P1i ( not mine, of course )





and i know one great photographer had exhibited his portrait photos taken by K850i

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Added on January 16, 2008, 9:02 pmforget to add, his name is Guido Karp

www.guidokarp.com



This post has been edited by vichio: Jan 16 2008, 09:02 PM

yup. you just take a look at the thread in LYN for P1i users under Phone section. of course, there are some lucky ones who don't have the prob.
but safe to say about more than 90% of units have that problem. so just becareful when you buy one.

Showing off panning yeah...Here is mine

this thread now becomes a panning war already, btw, different panning shot shown here produced different quality. I personally think the one from dgrebel is better. dgrebel, what type of camera are u using?

back to the apple and orange discussion, i've been following this thread right from start, as I'm also uncertain which camera should i buy: prosumer or a dslr? damn tough choice.

what I would advice people usually is:
Are you really really interested in photography?
If yes, then DSLR is the 'only' way to go.

Of course, it would certainly help if you join gatherings and have friends that have DSLRs to guide you and help one another.

why no one mention about shooting fireworks? i heard shooting fireworks is very difficult one. How if compare between DSLR & P&S?

just google bulb mode and continuous burst, i bet it'll poison u more.

edit: ahh forget it, i embed for u here,



This post has been edited by dgrebel: Jan 17 2008, 01:47 AM

shooting fireworks u need bulb mode thus DSLR, i dunno which PnS or prosumer gv bulb mode..

tripod setup, manual mode, manual focus to infinity, f8-f11, shutter release cable..shoot!

if u want multiple exposures, the bulb mode would be a help, but nowadays, even canon normal pns are equipped with shutter mode. but the dslr have a more aesthetical value. who needs shutter release cable when u can already set the timer.

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This post has been edited by dgrebel: Jan 17 2008, 01:52 AM

Got. My 7 years old Minolta S304 3MP 4x zoom got Bulb mode. Even got 800 ISO and manual
focus. Pawn all PnS now i think... LOL...and its 7 years old..omg!

Hi brother darthbaboon,

I have to disagree with you that non-SLR can do what the SLR advantages. Here are few points that I can think of... which advantages go to SLR, and in most likely non-SLR like prosumer cannot do;

+ BIG camera attract attention of models in events. The bigger is always better. If they do not look at you, there is no eyes contact in your pictures. Same thing happen if there are a few photographers in a any event, let say wedding group pictures. People will tends to look at those BIG camera as they are the official one.

+ BIG camera feel more pro and will also drive you to better compose, play with setting like compensation and white balance. End Results -> Much better pictures. I see lots of prosumer camera people simply point and shoot. Even got nice scenery, it senget...

+ SLR can go very wide or very tele. All SLR can easily go way below 24mm equivalent. On full frame + sigmal 12-24 zoom, you can reach 12mm ultra-wide!!! Try doing that with any non-SLR camera.

+ BIG sensor on SLR with large aperture primes can lead to beautiful background blur. This is a no-no to any non-SLR camera. Refer to the picture on http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/612019

+ Prosumer camera might offer high zoom range, but thier tele range image quality always sucks. I had seen from my ex-S2 IS and ex-S3 IS, there tele performance are suck compare to EF70-200 f2.8 or EF100-400 L. So in a way, prosumer paper spec might be good, but actual performance is another story.

+ Bigger sensor tends to have much better signal-to-noise ratio, which mean cleaner higher quality image. On my new 40D, I can easy shoot at ISO1600 and enjoy very low noise picture. Refer to http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/612019 on most of the ISO1600. Can you re-produce that clean result with your prosumer?

+ Spending more on SLR also boosting our economy, which will help everyone in a chain re-action.

+ Sometime with BIG camera, you are allowed to enter media section for some events. Without the right spot, it will be worthless on how good your camera is.

+ BIG camera plus some L lenses also make you happy and proud for some stupid reasons.

Hope my words make a sense or two...

This post has been edited by TheVoIP: Jan 17 2008, 11:48 AM

Why don't you use the auto mode on your SLR then?

There is a meter telling you whether you shot would be correctly exposed or not. RTFM. However, no meter on any camera is fool proof, and sometimes experience does come on.

If you are anal about image quality, yes. If not, just get one of those superzoom lens like the Nikkor 18-200 VR

Its not slow at all. It focuses better, has better response time, etc. I can adjust on the fly without having to look at it. Its all about getting some practice.

On paper yes. In practice less so. You wouldnt be able to blow out the background as much with a prosumer, the dynamic range is quite a bit lower, the high ISO performance is a lot poorer, it takes a helluva lot more time to actually access those *features* with all the menu driven systems nowadays...etc


I wouldnt call a minute all that long actually.



You will when you try to take pics of a moving object.

I think the conclusion that we can come to here is that you don't need a DSLR for the type of photography you are doing at the moment.

This post has been edited by BurgaFlippinMan: Jan 17 2008, 11:49 AM

I heard Canon got some lenses can reach all the way to f1.2!!!

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Added on January 17, 2008, 12:00 pmAgree. It is why I use mobile phone camera to capture where I pack my car in shoping complex, rather than use my SLR.

It looks pro in this way.
Anyway, the complicated setting also get me confuss sometime... and many mistake.. but dun care la... just frap-frap-frap...

Newer dSLR today all have liveview.. I do not see any noticable delay actually. Pretty usefull.

Fast frame rate sometime also can get wow from your surronding friends. The minimum to impress others are 5fps. In this area the Canon siao mark III 10fps is pretty impressive. I found lots of pro simply want to show off by shooting at that frame rate rather than nessasity. Anyway... I understand that. Prosumer will be rather weak in this area.

I used to have S3 IS... The autofocusing speed actually very geng liao...


This post has been edited by TheVoIP: Jan 17 2008, 12:00 PM