sorry sorry to all cos i m using those

but i see new HDMI range is so far beyong my affordability now

Same here, my Yammy 1800 was barely in the affordable range for me. Cannot go any more expensive than that.

frankly speaking

why opto 70 win 65 wor?

why all people selling their BDs? bro aiman 3:10 not nice?? tot u ar collector

This post has been edited by PrinceOfPersia: Feb 25 2008, 11:08 AM

avbody jumping to HD dvd wagon

Nice, but needs money urgently. 3:10 got 7.1 PCM audio, so sayang to let go... Maybe I'll buy again someday.

Look at the Prince la...

yesterday go speedy... 4 titles on bluray nia.. i ask him wat abt hd dvd tiles, he went "huh"? i repeat agian, he went "har"

yeah, all amp has those chips.

but in onkyo 605, it cant process anything on PCM sources (as output by our beloved PS3). It accept the pcm signal, and convert it to analouge (to speakers). thats it. (i think onk 705 an above can process PCM)

Thats y a lot of people going for amps that could process PCM sources. (eg yam 661 n above, n of course upcoming 663, damn!).

for example my 661: Playing TrueHD on PS3, PS3 output it as MPCM (multichannel PCM). 661 accept the signal (PCM icon lights up), i add equalizer, speaker settings, LFE crossover, bla bla, and importantly i added Prologic IIx because to matrix the MPCM sources to my 6.1 speaker settings. And walla! im watching celine dion like im in the theater!



DD/DTS is max 1.5mbps. While PCM/TrueHD/DTS MA is exact replication of studio master. (except TrueHD/DTS MA using compression to save a heck of spaces in BDs and uncompress it back in the receiver, bitstream ofcourse)

in my opinion, technically, PCM is far more superior than legacy DD/DTS.

in my experience, definitely PCM is far more kick-ass than legacy DD/DTS.


This post has been edited by apisgogo: Feb 25 2008, 11:31 AM

Agreed. PCM kicks more ass, big asses. It's from the movie's mixing studio, what to expect?

DTS-HD MA / Dolby TrueHD uses the same source, only some tweakings here and there (maybe more complicated than that, ), to get it to their standards.

RX's problem could possibly be the 605, not the source.

This post has been edited by aiman04: Feb 25 2008, 11:45 AM

end of the day... just repeating general knowledge... still no naswer to my problems

personally i dun like matrixing, i prefer original source, if the show has 7.1 , then play as 7.1 , if not keep it as its 5.1

actually the problem is not on onk 605 (605 is 1 of best valued receiver).

it is PS3! hahaha

because of our beloved PS3 cant internally decode DTS MA yet or bitstream both HD audio yet. So if onk paired with a bitstream capable player (ie pana BD30), then its gonna be a kick-ass experience as well.

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Added on February 25, 2008, 11:59 amok, i'll try to help.

ur problem is the volume level seems lower when playing PCM sources on your 605 rite?

like i said many times, Onkyo 605 cant process PCM sources (even amplify). So its having 'pure direct' mode from your player to your speakers. Thus this is the reason y the level sounded low. While DD/DTS is being processed by ur 605 (EQ, Speaker Settings, LFE bla bla) to match your preference.

hm, cant you apply any settings on the PCM? like, adjust each channel levels independently?

as for 7.1/5.1 original source, it entirely depends on your players. Bitstream player will definitely solve your problems.

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Feb 25 2008, 11:59 AM

I meant RX's problem. He decodes internally using PS3, but his DTS/DD is louder than his PCM source. That means his 605 doesn't do any enhancement to PCM I think (not talking about doing 7.1 matrix process, but the sound quality itself).

PS3 internally decodes (been waiting for DTS-HD MA update since forever), send to receiver as PCM is fine enough for me. The jittery effect is negligible.

At least until my PS3 broken beyond repair, then I will get a bitstream capable standalone player.

(Deja vu, I think I've already posted this before! )

Agreed!

PS3 decodes DTS-HD MA internally and send it as PCM, then i'll be happy.

aiks... 1st of all , ps3 decode avthin internally, rite
so wat odes my amp do? just output the sound mar, no?

correct, but not anything. PS3 decodes internally as follows:

1) Dolby TrueHD - PS3 Decodes internally and send it as MPCM
2) DTS HD MA - PS3 only extract core from it. so it became 1.5mbps DTS.
3) PCM - PS3 pass the signal as it is to receivers.

so your 605 just pass the signal to your speakers. thats it

Not sure la RX, it's an amplifier, it has to do something. Not just doing the DAC analogue converting and output to speakers.

Your case:

PCM --> PCM ---> Amp .... soft

DD/DTS --> PCM --> Amp .... louder

By right the amp is receiving PCM from both source.

Yeah, that's weird.

Better ask the gurus in the audiophiles la methinks.

rx,

when u playing DD/DTS, is DD/DTS lights-up on ur receiver?

u using PS3? u set it to output audio in PCM or Bitstream?

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This post has been edited by aiman04: Feb 25 2008, 01:24 PM

DD/DTS is max 1.5mbps. While PCM/TrueHD/DTS MA is exact replication of studio master. (except TrueHD/DTS MA using compression to save a heck of spaces in BDs and uncompress it back in the receiver, bitstream ofcourse)

in my opinion, technically, PCM is far more superior than legacy DD/DTS.

in my experience, definitely PCM is far more kick-ass than legacy DD/DTS.

if the PCM is not process ?? mean more worst than DD/DTS?