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 The Quad Core "Advantage"?, Quad vs Dual core in the REAL world

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post May 15 2008, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(xen0 @ May 14 2008, 11:17 AM)
that tech guy, coming from where? from the future? year 3910?
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just 2 c how technology is by dat time........ha ha ha laugh.gif


Added on May 15, 2008, 12:33 am
QUOTE(tkh_1001 @ May 15 2008, 01:30 AM)
ah bro ar.... u compare highest end dual vs lowest end quad where got fair leh?

n then do u know lowest end e2140 G0 stepping can OC from stock 1.6ghz to 3.8ghz? smile.gif

i guess those how many percent already ya?

visit overclockers united e2xx OCing thread if u dont believe thumbup.gif
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i know, dats y i'd mention i compared similar performance processor.................

bt it is true, quad totally kick ass wen it is OC.........

go quad!!! thumbup.gif

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post May 15 2008, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 14 2008, 11:26 PM)
quad is generally clocked @ lower speed den dual........
by comparison, it can reach higher oc percentage compared 2 n already high clock speed dual core..........

generally speaking also, quad tend 2 kick dual core ass wen both r OC 2 da max.......
Stop talking crap already.
Dude, i don't want to say this but, you don't know anything. So stop acting like you know everything already.

Have you ever looked at the highest overclocked e6600?

Someone managed to overclock an E6600 to 4.5GHz, but the maximum a Q6600 can do is only 4GHz, and that's very rare.
While there are a lot of E6600 that can do 4GHz.

E6600 & Q6600 is on the same clock speed and they has the same number of multiplier and they have the same FSB and bus speed.
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post May 15 2008, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ May 15 2008, 01:39 AM)
Stop talking crap already.
Dude, i don't want to say this but, you don't know anything. So stop acting like you know everything already.

Have you ever looked at the highest overclocked e6600?

Someone managed to overclock an E6600 to 4.5GHz, but the maximum a Q6600 can do is only 4GHz, and that's very rare.
While there are a lot of E6600 that can do 4GHz.

E6600 & Q6600 is on the same clock speed and they has the same number of multiplier and they have the same FSB and bus speed.
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i said generally...........
i accept criticism, cause i'm in good mood 2day...ha ha ha laugh.gif

anyway, i'm talking bout max on air cooled..............

bt 1 fact u cannot deny is quad kick ass........ notworthy.gif

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post May 15 2008, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 12:43 AM)
i said generally...........
i accept criticism, cause i'm in good mood 2day...ha ha ha laugh.gif 

anyway, i'm talking bout max on air cooled..............

bt 1 fact u cannot deny is quad kick ass........ notworthy.gif
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mostly u talking everything is Quad's kick ass ... because u're using Q6600 ?? .. i bet there still other Processor than can beat urz .. and even a dual-core ... I admit that i did not know anything about OC .. but at least i did not pretend like i know it ~ ~ perhaps i nid to learn more before making any assumptions tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 12:43 AM)
i said generally...........
i accept criticism, cause i'm in good mood 2day...ha ha ha laugh.gif 

anyway, i'm talking bout max on air cooled..............

bt 1 fact u cannot deny is quad kick ass........ notworthy.gif
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omg, i really can't believe this guy rclxub.gif doh.gif

so now its "i said generally..." la pulak to save ur arse? doh.gif

please la stop posting Shit.Pointless.Annoying.Message.

please la, i'm begging ya, u disgrace this forum

maybe next time its good to report ur post if its a SPAM rolleyes.gif
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post May 15 2008, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(Melfice @ May 15 2008, 01:49 AM)
mostly u talking everything is Quad's kick ass ... because u're using Q6600 ?? .. i bet there still other Processor than can beat urz .. and even a dual-core ... I admit that i did not know anything about OC .. but at least i did not pretend like i know it ~ ~ perhaps i nid to learn more before making any assumptions  tongue.gif
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yeah, there is some dual core is better den quad in stock speed.............
but quad tek bck da lead wen oc till max...................

seriously, i do recommend quad, great value.......
after all, the topic here is quad advantage........... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 01:01 AM)
yeah, there is some dual core is better den quad in stock speed.............
but quad tek bck da lead wen oc till max...................

seriously, i do recommend quad, great value.......
after all, the topic here is quad advantage........... icon_rolleyes.gif
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wow , okay ~ great value is for someone with money la .. tongue.gif
okok , just stop posting pointless thing okay biggrin.gif
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post May 15 2008, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(Melfice @ May 15 2008, 02:04 AM)
wow , okay ~ great value is for someone with money la ..  tongue.gif
okok , just stop posting pointless thing okay  biggrin.gif
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k k, bt quad nowadays also quite cheap edi.........
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post May 15 2008, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 01:01 AM)
yeah, there is some dual core is better den quad in stock speed.............
but quad tek bck da lead wen oc till max...................

seriously, i do recommend quad, great value.......
after all, the topic here is quad advantage........... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Seem like you know nothing about oc.Do you know how hard is it to oc a quad??Do you know dual die(intel quads) need more power,usually the mofset design is 180W, that is for the average board?Do you know how hard is it to get a quad to run at 500FSB laugh.gif

Go Here

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post May 15 2008, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 12:28 AM)
ie.

c2d 3.0 can OC till 4ghz = 33.33% improvement compared 2 original 3.0

c2q 2.4 can oc till 3.6ghz = 50% improvement compared 2 original 3.0

dun get me wrong, wad i'm saying is quad achieve better ratio not highest speed.........

ya, i compared using similar performing processor.........

b cause dual core originally clock @ such high speed, it cannot go higher due 2 heat..........
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to get 3.6ghz, not many can be done, either due to heat, or wall. and in malaysian weather, non aircond, water is only barely enough, and that is water with a custom loop.

try it and you will know. smile.gif


QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 12:43 AM)
i said generally...........
i accept criticism, cause i'm in good mood 2day...ha ha ha laugh.gif 

anyway, i'm talking bout max on air cooled..............

bt 1 fact u cannot deny is quad kick ass........ notworthy.gif
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max on air is not 3.6ghz, in malaysian weather using TRUE 120 ex with a nmb screamer, temps touched 68c at 3.4ghz, and i decided to called it quits, time to slap some water. dont believe? ask the Q6600 oc thread smile.gif

unless ofc you run aircond@ 20c , which is pretty much not fair laugh.gif


Added on May 15, 2008, 1:14 am
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 01:06 AM)
k k, bt quad nowadays also quite cheap edi.........
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that is true, but only if you multi task that is, and multi task on multi threaded apps smile.gif



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post May 15 2008, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 12:28 AM)
dun get me wrong, wad i'm saying is quad achieve better ratio not highest speed.........


E2140 @ 100% easily. already proves your statement wrong.

your justification so far does not hold water.

judging by your posts so far, you're posting a bunch of nonsense. and i can see the hostility towards you, all because of the crap you posted.

so now, here's what i think

1. you better stop posting crap before i issue you a 10% warn
2. as to the rest - ignore the fella............NOT. if you see wrong information, kindly CORRECT IT. just do it in a polite way. simple as that.
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post May 15 2008, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 01:01 AM)
yeah, there is some dual core is better den quad in stock speed.............
but quad tek bck da lead wen oc till max...................

seriously, i do recommend quad, great value.......
after all, the topic here is quad advantage........... icon_rolleyes.gif
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it depends, if you run multi threaded programs, then of course there is an advantage, but there is not that many programs that run multi thread at the moment smile.gif

what is max oc? for daily 24/7? i would give LYN forumers about say 3.4ghz max? its either due to heat or wall that they do not go higher


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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 15 2008, 01:15 AM)
E2140 @ 100% easily. already proves your statement wrong.

your justification so far does not hold water.

judging by your posts so far, you're posting a bunch of nonsense. and i can see the hostility towards you, all because of the crap you posted.

so now, here's what i think

1. you better stop posting crap before i issue you a 10% warn
2. as to the rest - ignore the fella............NOT. if you see wrong information, kindly CORRECT IT. just do it in a polite way. simple as that.
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yes boss notworthy.gif

respect the red tagged people, they usually whoop ass tongue.gif

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post May 15 2008, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ May 15 2008, 02:16 AM)
it depends, if you run multi threaded programs, then of course there is an advantage, but there is not that many programs that run multi thread at the moment smile.gif

what is max oc? for daily 24/7? i would give LYN forumers about say 3.4ghz max? its either due to heat or wall that they do not go higher


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yes boss  notworthy.gif

respect the red tagged people, they usually whoop ass tongue.gif
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i dun OC 24/7...........
u shud b able 2 reach 3.6 in n air con room.........
after all, q6600 can reach 90+ degree.............
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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 01:19 AM)
i dun OC 24/7...........
u shud b able 2 reach 3.6 in n air con room.........
after all, q6600 can reach 90+ degree.............
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3.6ghz cannot be done on stock hsf,at least for 24/7.3.4ghz and above need liquid cooler or else temp sure sky rocket to 80+ C even use IFX14 whistling.gif
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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 01:19 AM)
i dun OC 24/7...........
u shud b able 2 reach 3.6 in n air con room.........
after all, q6600 can reach 90+ degree.............
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yea, i did reach 3.6ghz on a air cooler, xigmatek s1283 with nmb screamer to be exact.

volts were 1.375v, measured with a DMM,

guess the temps?


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Throttle starts at about 75~85c
Intel max specified temp for G0 is 71c
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3.6ghz cannot be done on stock hsf,at least for 24/7.3.4ghz and above need liquid cooler if you value your cpu.3.4ghz is pretty much the max on air without sky rocket temperature as bryanyeo87 show. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 15 2008, 01:19 AM)
i dun OC 24/7...........
u shud b able 2 reach 3.6 in n air con room.........
after all, q6600 can reach 90+ degree.............
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my god@!!
now he thinks " tjmax = intel recommended temps. for processor!!!?!?!?!?!?!! "

i'm pretty sure he got alot more craps to post in this thread later.
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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ May 14 2008, 01:25 PM)
yea, i did reach 3.6ghz on a air cooler, xigmatek s1283 with nmb screamer to be exact.

volts were 1.375v, measured with a DMM,

guess the temps?
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Throttle starts at about 75~85c
Intel max specified temp for G0 is 71c
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Did you check whether any throttling is happening? Pretty sure core1 is already throttling at that temp, since you're measuring the external temperature. Where exactly is the thermometer placed?
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Assume you have the NVIDIA 8800 Ultra and cranking up the resolution up to 1280X1024 in Crysis will be extremely GPU bound, doesn't matter if you have a quad-core and dual ones. In other words, the CPU is powerful enough to churn out those video data to your GPU very rapidly; the GPU on the other hand can't keep up with the CPU.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scaling-...re-processors/1

Speaking 'bout cores in a CPU, http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
...this goes to show that core solo ownzzz. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ May 15 2008, 01:23 AM)
3.6ghz cannot be done on stock hsf,at least for 24/7.3.4ghz and above need liquid cooler or else temp sure sky rocket to 80+ C even use IFX14  whistling.gif
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Well to his credit he didn't say stock cooling to 3.6 smile.gif

As for needing water, your mileage will vary depending on individual processor. I think it's fair to say that few here have extensive experience with many different Quads to accurately represent a generalised result of how high a Quad can go on air.

I've done it with a TRUE in an enclosed CM Stacker without air cond, but then again I have four 12cm (65cfm) fans blowing in from the side, plus a 12cm (110cfm) fan exhausting from the rear. Two FM-121s were doing a push-pull on the TRUE. Noise levels? Walau-eh smile.gif

The only reason I switched to water is to reduce the noise pollution for watching movies smile.gif

Anyway, my point is, if someone can't achieve 3.6 on air, doesn't mean *all* Quads aren't able to do so. By that same token I can't say all Quads can run 3.6 on air based on my own experience.


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