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 Dog died in one week...help please, distemper virus is the cause

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post Dec 3 2007, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(nicwise @ Dec 3 2007, 05:40 PM)
Thanks everyone for their concern and kind feedback.

After going with my friend to talk to the ladyboss, she only said she will give my friend a huge discount the next dog she buy from her. (But who is gonna buy from her again?)

And since my friend is those type that don't wanna make things very big and complicated, just accepted her apology and offer. The ladyboss said most probably it was infected during transit here to Malaysia. God knows how many of her other dogs are infected too.

Since the ladyboss's husband is a gangster with lots of tattoos and there are alot of thugs in that shop too. We feel that its best to let matter rest but I guess my friend learned her lesson this time round.

For the time being she will be contented to just play with my dogs smile.gif Its quite sad since she had been waiting for a long time to finally get a dog. All I can say its a very traumatic first time experience. My first dog was bought from the same petshop and I never went back there again. I am thankful my dog did not suffer the same fate, if not I would be very discouraged to buy another dog.

She also did not consult me before buying the dog, if not I would have asked her to avoid that shop. I guess alot of us just buy our dogs on impulse, but at the end of the day, I guessed we all learned our lesson.


Added on December 3, 2007, 5:45 pm

Thanks pennywise for your information on dogs being imported from Thailand. When I bought my first dog, a corgi from her, she told me that alot of her dogs in her shop were brought in through Thailand. Then when I asked her if they were from puppymills, she said no. She said the dogs were bred by rich hobby breeders in Thailand. They live in big houses and breed nice dogs for sale. Maybe should not take her word for it. Anyway glad my dog turned out fine.
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Hi, sorry to hear about your friend's puppy. Reading this brought back memories to my 1st puppy which pass away 4 days staying with me and my 2nd puppy pass away within 1 mth, both puppies bought from the same guy from mainland, penang..
When the 1st puppy has symptoms, we brought to the VET n he confirm the puppy was sick and has virus so we got a letter from the Vet to ask for the guy for refund but instead he offer us older puppy for a small amount of fee. We took another chance but mana tahu the puppy got like sudden heart attack after 1 mth staying with me..the whole body just stiffens up..since then i learn my lesson buying from petshop and got to look out for some signs of the puppies health when u planning to buy one..
The Vet claim most of these puppies are from Thailand cos there has a lot of puppy mills..
So i do understand ur friend's feeling, no matter how long the puppy was with u even if its only 4 days or 1 week, u already build that special bond with the puppy and suddenly it pass away without much explanation or cause, u will feel very sad one lor..it took me a while to get over it and buying another puppy..and as of today, I'm proud to own 2 female noty cheeky dogs..one poodle and one MS. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 3 2007, 10:12 PM

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A slight correction about Thai dogs. Like how my friends would put it, they are not called puppy mills, but rather puppy whore house.

When you see the puppy transported there, you will know what I mean. 1 lorry, 300 dogs, chicken size cages, all squat and lay down for trips which covers 200 - 500km, no drink, some have not eaten for days, some re-eat their shit so many times just to survive, blood, dirt, rust, hot sun, some dead bodies inside, some disease, some debark, some distemper, some virus, some rotten - all sent to Bangkok.

I am sure you can imagine. Their number of puppies are a lot and they target Malaysia market because Malaysian willing to pay RM2 - 5k for a dog depends on rarity.

1. Do you know a Pug in Bangkok is only RM100?
2. Do you know that the same dog (whatever breed), sold for 12,000 baht can get as cheap as 2,000 baht in the evening?
3. Why the massive price drop? Because tomorrow got new stock, always got new stock. Just want to get rid of stock to bring in new ones.
4. Do you also know there is a fake-cert service in Bangkok?

Thailand dog breeder / keeper / etc are just to MAKE MONEY la, you think they truly love dogs and breed for the genes? Live in big house? Rich people? Good food? If they live in a bungalow with a rare good breed, why would they wanna sell?

If you guys got chance to see, you will know what I mean. I forgot the name of the street but they have a road like Petaling Street, selling all the dogs wan. You stay at the street until evening, they will all close shop and tell you to go off - why? Time to restock. I've seen cause I was at my friend's wife shop. (Actually not her shop but her uncle shop, she has a Pom)
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post Dec 3 2007, 11:01 PM

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whoa whoa....not ALL Thai breeders are as what you describe pennywise.

i know my westie breeder personally and have been to her house and it is not a mill. she is a flight attendant by day and breed westies as a hobby.

there are cheap dogs available at chatuchak for less than RM400 which you SHOULD NOT BUY. my advice is to always visit the breeder's facilities and NEVER BUY from a pet shop unless absolutely necessary. always buy with eyes opened and if it is too good a deal, chances are, it is too good to be true.

my 2 cents...

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post Dec 3 2007, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(ihawk98 @ Dec 3 2007, 11:01 PM)
whoa whoa....not ALL Thai breeders are as what you describe pennywise.

i know my westie breeder personally and have been to her house and it is not a mill.  she is a flight attendant by day and breed westies as a hobby. 

there are cheap dogs available at chatuchak for less than RM400 which you SHOULD NOT BUY.  my advice is to always visit the breeder's facilities and NEVER BUY from a pet shop unless absolutely necessary.  always buy with eyes opened and if it is too good a deal, chances are, it is too good to be true.

my 2 cents...
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Same like the rest of this world. Got good people and bad people but often you meet bad ones more than good. What I'm trying to say is that more often than not, people will try to cheat you regardless of what industry / field / hobby we spoke off. Just be careful. And just to share my views on the dog millers in Thailand, not an easy sight to forget even if we try to imagine those on the trucks are chickens rather than dogs.

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post Dec 3 2007, 11:24 PM

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I apologise for going off topic but I need to clarify some accusations made.

QUOTE(stupidbump @ Dec 3 2007, 12:54 PM)
vaccination got provide medic cards? As far as i know, i only got an MKA Cert when i bought my MS last week.
that also haven't ready and the shop claimed it will post to my address..

If really there is a vaccination card, i am going to meet the shop owner to demand for one also...
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I am certain you were given a vaccination card. Please do double check as the girl who bought the dog was also briefed on when the next vaccination is based on the card. In fact, the dog was scanned with a microchip reader to show the microchip number and this number was verified against the sticker on the vaccination card.

As for the MKA cert, it has been informed that the cert will only be ready after the dog is 4 months and above.

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post Dec 4 2007, 12:42 AM

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OMG....I am in JB too pls pm me the petshop name....I dun want to kena....I am getting a TOY POODLE this month too.....Also from CHINA de.....Walao.....dunno dangerous anot......Pls give me some advice....But the seller say got GURANTEE within 1week if pups got any problem...

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post Dec 4 2007, 01:01 AM

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as far as I concern, 1 week is not enough to determine whether the pup is healthy or not, as some virus will only shows after 14 days of infection wor... this is what my vet told me... even you spend money to do test, like pennywise did for her Moonie, you will still be sure that it is not infected weeks back, but no one can guarantee it is not infected, say yesterday =( ... That's a bad thing... I once pondering whether or not to buy one puppy because i know it is sick, the vet told me it is like a gamble since a week is not really enough to determine whether the pup is totally healthy or not.
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Just beware. A lot of "imported" dogs are never imported into the country in the proper way. Alot of "under the table" money gets passed around. China, Thailand..... these 2 countries are popular with such importation. Do not be fooled.

If you want an imported line, then go and import yourself. Many show breeders in Malaysia and breed hobbyist actually search for their dogs overseas themselves than ask an agent or petshop to find for them. But when a petshop brings in dogs from other countries.... normally not 100% healthy, expecially Thailand and China. They got very very few good breeders and extremely MANY puppy agents, puppy farms, puppy mills.... Puppy Fields!


Added on December 4, 2007, 1:04 am
QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Dec 4 2007, 01:01 AM)
as far as I concern, 1 week is not enough to determine whether the pup is healthy or not, as some virus will only shows after 14 days of infection wor... this is what my vet told me... even you spend money to do test, like pennywise did for her Moonie, you will still be sure that it is not infected weeks back, but no one can guarantee it is not infected, say yesterday =( ... That's a bad thing... I once pondering whether or not to buy one puppy because i know it is sick, the vet told me it is like a gamble since a week is not really enough to determine whether the pup is totally healthy or not.
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Yups, agree! 1 week is never enough. Getting a pup through such petshops that do not practice ethical breeding and selling.... very risky. I will always stand firm at "Buy from the right breeder".

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post Dec 4 2007, 01:14 AM

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Actually the breeder is in LOWYAT too.....So how ah????I dun wan to get unhealthy pups plssss.......
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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Dec 3 2007, 02:01 AM)
Hah, Japan also so easy meh?? I heard from here Peninsular bring dog back Sabah/Sarawak also need 6 weeks quarantine leh.... tongue.gif
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it takes a long time for the pre-arriving procedural few months for that...i dont reli remember exactly time...you'll need to stay in quarantine only if you dont have proper documents and didnt do things correctly or your dog suspected to have illness, mostly they are just worry about rabies thingy...my dog got skin problem, but doesnt make any trouble for that...you will need to bring doggie go to do many things after microchip transplanted...otherwise, those things you did before that, they dont count....i remember after the last thing...i think injection...u will need to stay at departure country for about 3 months or 6 months...after that only can go...If one of your document less, your dog might need to stay in quarantine, but it's extremely expensive cuz the count per day of stay..After all, you will need a letter from your pet doctor to guarantee the dog's health...many many things, but if you done all...Like my dog, go to quarantine check microchip then come out...much earlier than expected...
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QUOTE(nicwise @ Dec 2 2007, 09:43 PM)
Hi guys,
my friend just bought a chow chow from a local petshop, but after one week the dog died.

It is very sad because this is my friend's first dog and she loved it alot. It is very cute and I even bought alot of treats for it but now its gone.

This all happened on the 4th-5th day after my friend bought the dog, the dog started to have no appetite, lethargic, vomit and have diarrhoea. She is very scared so bring it to see vet immediately. The vet later confirmed the dog as contracted distemper and after staying with the vet for 2 days, the dog cant fight the disease and died. According to the ladyboss, the dog had already had one injection prior to being imported from china but she doesnt have the vaccination card but she told my friend that the dog is healthy.

According to the vet and sources from the internet, it seems there is a period of 14-18days after infection when symptoms of the disease starts to appear. This highly seem to suggest that the dog already had the virus before my friend bought it.

I want to know if the petshop is responsible for this or not? and what action should we take now?

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my bf's colleague bought a pomeranian recently and the poor dog died within a week too. complained to the pet shop, and they accused him of not feeding the dog rclxub.gif not sure which pet shop but he lives in puchong
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QUOTE(babymiki @ Dec 4 2007, 05:14 AM)
my bf's colleague bought a pomeranian recently and the poor dog died within a week too. complained to the pet shop, and they accused him of not feeding the dog  rclxub.gif not sure which pet shop but he lives in puchong
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shocking.gif din feed? then wat was the cause of death?disease?
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QUOTE(pitinn @ Dec 4 2007, 12:42 AM)
OMG....I am in JB too pls pm me the petshop name....I dun want to kena....I am getting a TOY POODLE this month too.....Also from CHINA de.....Walao.....dunno dangerous anot......Pls give me some advice....But the seller say got GURANTEE within 1week if pups got any problem...
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If I want to sell you things, anything also I can say. If anything happen, anything also can deny maaa...

QUOTE(pitinn @ Dec 4 2007, 01:14 AM)
Actually the breeder is in LOWYAT too.....So how ah????I dun wan to get unhealthy pups plssss.......
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What's the breeder name?

QUOTE(babymiki @ Dec 4 2007, 05:14 AM)
my bf's colleague bought a pomeranian recently and the poor dog died within a week too. complained to the pet shop, and they accused him of not feeding the dog  rclxub.gif not sure which pet shop but he lives in puchong
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Is it really didnt feed? Or something else?
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it's something else which he dunno what disease. not sure got bring to vet or not ler actually. the guy went back to the shop to ask why is the dog sick, the shop dun wanna admit is their fault, thats why accused my bf's colleague of not feeding the pup
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QUOTE(babymiki @ Dec 4 2007, 09:51 AM)
it's something else which he dunno what disease. not sure got bring to vet or not ler actually. the guy went back to the shop to ask why is the dog sick, the shop dun wanna admit is their fault, thats why accused my bf's colleague of not feeding the pup
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not feeding the pup, this the worst lame excuse i've ever heard.......
ASk them use brain lah.......how can v buy the dog home but not feeding them ah.
Next time use better excuse like, got sick or catch cold at ur place, then mati lah.
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If you don't bring a sick puppy to a vet, and it dies, i believe you have no ground t stand on anymore unfortunately, the petstore can say whatever they want and you'd have no rebuke.

I'm not flaming anyone nor making accusations here BUT:

1) Why are so many people reluctant to bring sick pets to the vet? Money factor? Well, honestly, the cost of vet trips should already been included when deciding to buy/adopt a pet dog.
2) If you are ill would you go to the vet? Likewise, if your daughter/son is ill, would you let him/her suffer at home? Home remedies? Why the difference? Is your dog not part of your family too?

Or does a pet stay a pet - a lower 'lifeform' and not as precious as a son or a daughter? If so, why bother calling your dog a pet? Just call it a plaything then.

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QUOTE(joanalooidog @ Dec 4 2007, 11:37 AM)
not feeding the pup, this the worst lame excuse i've ever heard.......
ASk them use brain lah.......how can v buy the dog home but not feeding them ah.
Next time use better excuse like, got sick or catch cold at ur place, then mati lah.
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the guy asked back the shop fella...'if i dun feed the pup..i keep the dog kibbles to eat myself isit?'

madmoz, not sure got go vet or not. will ask my bf to ask him later. chill thumbup.gif
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This is wat she reply me....I dun want to say the name.....

i got agent help me to import all the pups from china..confirm healthy already only bring here 1..cos we 'll quarantine in china n reach malaysia liao also will quarantine for 1 week only send to customer ..dun worry ..i'll call u when the pups reach..dun hestitate to ask question..i'm willing to tell u all i know..thanks..
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pitinn...she giving u any guarantee?
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QUOTE(babymiki @ Dec 4 2007, 02:14 PM)
pitinn...she giving u any guarantee?
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ya....She is giving me 1week....If anything happen she will change or something....ANd also gurantee for the dog....If the dog grow up not toy poodle size she will change 4 me too.....She got confidence with the quality of her dogs....

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