ETF .. does it give good dividends?
Buy Property or Good Stocks or FD Interest
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Oct 16 2025, 01:45 PM
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ETF .. does it give good dividends?
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Oct 16 2025, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Oct 16 2025, 01:45 PM) Nope. You have to sell off your asset to generate money. Unless you have like USD5m in it.But the amount sold should be able to sustain you until you die depend 1. How much you have inside it 2. When you started selling 3. How much are you selling 4. How is the market doing 5. How long you have been invested. ETF need like 20-30years to see the effect. Asian cannot get use to the idea need to sell things to generate income while this is the norm in western worldif you put into FD you are losing money to inflation. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 16 2025, 03:08 PM |
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Oct 16 2025, 02:48 PM
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general rule:
high risk high profit, low risk low profit, no risk no profit. if an investment has guaranteed profit, then it is guarantee lose money or guarantee scam. example, FD guarantee 3.5% interest, but with inflation, is guarantee lose money. |
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Oct 16 2025, 02:49 PM
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Oct 16 2025, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Oct 16 2025, 02:48 PM) general rule: .high risk high profit, low risk low profit, no risk no profit. if an investment has guaranteed profit, then it is guarantee lose money or guarantee scam. example, FD guarantee 3.5% interest, but with inflation, is guarantee lose money. Not necessarily true. . Malaysia's inflation rate for Aug 2025 is about 1.5%. So, if we put FD at 3.5% interest for 1 year, we should topup the principal by about 1.5% at maturity to account for yearly inflation = treat FD interest income as 2.0% only, ie not 3.5%. Eg RM100,000 in FD at 3.5% interest for 1 year. At the 1 year maturity, we get RM3,500 in interest income. From this RM3,500 amount, we should topup the renewed FD principal by RM1,500 = RM101,500, and use the remaining RM2,000 as passive income. ....... Bc our FD principal increases yearly by 1.5% of topups, our passive income will also increase yearly by 1.5% = guarantee no lose money to inflation. If can, put our money in EPF to get higher yearly dividends/interests of >5% bc EPF is government-guaranteed = quite low risk. . |
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Oct 16 2025, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 16 2025, 03:47 PM) . inflation is 1.5% in one month. that is at least 15% per yearNot necessarily true. . Malaysia's inflation rate for Aug 2025 is about 1.5%. So, if we put FD at 3.5% interest for 1 year, we should topup the principal by about 1.5% at maturity to account for yearly inflation = treat FD interest income as 2.0% only, ie not 3.5%. Eg RM100,000 in FD at 3.5% interest for 1 year. At the 1 year maturity, we get RM3,500 in interest income. From this RM3,500 amount, we should topup the renewed FD principal by RM1,500 = RM101,500, and use the remaining RM2,000 as passive income. ....... Bc our FD principal increases yearly by 1.5% of topups, our passive income will also increase yearly by 1.5% = guarantee no lose money to inflation. If can, put our money in EPF to get higher yearly dividends/interests of >5% bc EPF is government-guaranteed = quite low risk. . |
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Oct 16 2025, 04:24 PM
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Oct 16 2025, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Oct 16 2025, 04:03 PM) .No la. For 2024, Malaysia's inflation rate is 1.8%. ....... https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+mal...sclient=gws-wiz . |
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Oct 16 2025, 04:45 PM
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All in BTC during crash (Weekly RSI 30-35). HODL one cycle can easily hit 500% gains.
Even those who bought during last cycle's top (50-60K) and didn't sell is also up 100%. BTC's market cap is still relatively small compared to GOLD. Gold is basically adding BTC's entire market cap every 2 weeks. This post has been edited by Juggerballz: Oct 16 2025, 04:46 PM |
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Oct 16 2025, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(jpaul @ Oct 15 2025, 02:00 PM) I calculated, need to spend around 150k for downpayment + under construction interest + MOT. Monthly rental should able to cover bank installment (or top up around 1k monthly). I assume this is not ready then, shud be brand new units still under constructionMy plan is to hold around 5 years then can cash out for my kids education. Appreciate if you can share why you think 8k is not worth to invest? most ppl have this mindset rental cover installment, frankly if your rental pays for your interest , good enough, anything else is a bonus, rest monthly top up take it as saving 5 years later when you sell it, the saving goes back to you as well I have just recently purchase something about that pricing incl MOT and misc, rental is about 6k plus for now as mine is subsale, the total upfront is 2.5x of yours personally commercial has better chances as compare to residential/condo, just that the starting price much harder for most hopefully by the time its CCC, your rental may go upwards or stagnant If the value of property yield is higher than rental, then sell it, if not just collect rental as normal This post has been edited by rx330: Oct 16 2025, 04:53 PM |
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Oct 17 2025, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 16 2025, 04:53 PM) I assume this is not ready then, shud be brand new units still under construction Thanks for your sharing.most ppl have this mindset rental cover installment, frankly if your rental pays for your interest , good enough, anything else is a bonus, rest monthly top up take it as saving 5 years later when you sell it, the saving goes back to you as well I have just recently purchase something about that pricing incl MOT and misc, rental is about 6k plus for now as mine is subsale, the total upfront is 2.5x of yours personally commercial has better chances as compare to residential/condo, just that the starting price much harder for most hopefully by the time its CCC, your rental may go upwards or stagnant If the value of property yield is higher than rental, then sell it, if not just collect rental as normal Yes, the one I aiming is an under construction double storey shoplots. The unit is fronting main road with high traffic, hence the price is higher. Mind to share how your experience managing the tenants and unit maintenance? |
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Oct 17 2025, 09:38 AM
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Oct 17 2025, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Oct 14 2025, 09:28 PM) Dato Vincent Nee ... property investor .. google and see .. All he said is purely marketing talk lah, lure u to join his class, after that teach u all the method which available online, sell u certain property which he has kickback, then renovation use his own company. He did podcast in one of local stations and he explained his students makes money from rental .. even said one of his students has 200K per month passive income. No balls to play crypto lah .. Yes, thinking to buy stocks that has good dividend payouts .. Public Bank, CIMB .. any other suggestion from stocks gurus? I have the same thinking on property .. nowadays, it is hard to get back ROI and plus shitty tenants. I have friend who suggested buy a property and turn to Air BNB wor .. Sounds interesting but it is like rental too so if unlucky, shitty customer .. koyak but chances are lower compared to long term tenants. I am more of conservative person so i wouldnt dare to roll hard .. i know inflation will sure affect the % FD so best option is long term stocks. And u go and check www.istiadat.gov.my/, his datoship name is not in there, meaning he is using fake title. This type of guru better stay far far away lah. How to create RM200k passive income nowadays? 3rd property already cap at 70% max loan. Unless you are cash rich and able to place 30% downpayment and create the so called "200k passive income" arkasi and lurkingaround liked this post
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Oct 17 2025, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 17 2025, 09:38 AM) 1. what are your goals? financially and lifestyle 1- Debt-free (Now still paying a house loan) and simple lifestyle, which i am not into branded stuff. Priority would be the kids future.2. what is your risk appetite? 3. how much stress are you willing to handle? 4. have you read the "FIRE" thread? the way I see it, you have a lump sum coming in here is my suggestion, open a multi-currency account with a local bank I recommend RHB or CIMB receive the money in USD into the multi-currency account keep the money using Time Deposit, that's the FD for us meanwhile, figure things out before you put your money down current rates: >3.7% https://www.rhbgroup.com/treasury-rates/mul...osit/index.html https://www.cimb.com.my/en/personal/help-su...it-account.html 2- Low as i do not time to monitor. 3- Low stress so i dont want to think "shit .. why lose so much suddenly" .. 4- What or where can i read "FIRE" .. Yes, i heard of it .. think it is called FCFD .. rate is higher than local rates except loss would be currency changes. With regards to the Dato .. thanks .. i am just sharing and asking if it is doable or not. I am not property expert so just asking opinions so the value would not depreciate due to inflation. Yes, considering putting in EPF but downside is cannot take out until 55 .. then wont be able to use it .. |
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Oct 17 2025, 01:02 PM
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Oct 17 2025, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(jpaul @ Oct 17 2025, 08:57 AM) Thanks for your sharing. Im not too sure which state you are in, but double storey shoplots cant be sold to foreigner, so you will lose a small % of prospective buyer in future.Yes, the one I aiming is an under construction double storey shoplots. The unit is fronting main road with high traffic, hence the price is higher. Mind to share how your experience managing the tenants and unit maintenance? but the benefit, its easier to rent out both ground and 1st, those 2nd n 3rd storey is a pain in the ass to rent, end up become hostel, also nightmare with the cleanliness im not sure whats the trend at your side, but recently new shops, landlord will force tenant to take up the whole building, either you use it or you sublet, your pasal nowadays developer also pandai, better access, better exposure units, they sell it higher, unless those days where 1st come 1st serve basis, all unit same price unless different built up normally main road tenants bigger brands who are able to pay more rental for exposure if compare to residential, should be much easier, just do your due diligence what biz they are doing, if extensive renovation needed, ask for more renovation deposit, after that technically own self settle sendiri unlike residential where aircon rosak, pipe rosak, toilet stuck for commercial they do ownself aje since yours is not a factory, the insurance premium should quite standard as per all landlord, also depend on luck your type of tenant, you get a good one, good paymaster, then just keep it as it is, no need to hike too much on next tenancy agreement |
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Oct 17 2025, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 17 2025, 09:51 AM) All he said is purely marketing talk lah, lure u to join his class, after that teach u all the method which available online, sell u certain property which he has kickback, then renovation use his own company. +1.And u go and check www.istiadat.gov.my/, his datoship name is not in there, meaning he is using fake title. This type of guru better stay far far away lah. How to create RM200k passive income nowadays? 3rd property already cap at 70% max loan. Unless you are cash rich and able to place 30% downpayment and create the so called "200k passive income" . Also, why would a person who supposedly got very rich by knowing where to find a hidden treasure box, tell or teach others about it but charge them a hefty fee.? IOW, will the person get very rich by actually finding the hidden treasure or by charging gullible/greedy people the hefty fee.? ....... The latter way can be 500 gullible/greedy people X RM3,000 course fees = RM1.5 million, eg 10 classes of 50 people per class over 1 year. (RM500k as operating costs = profit RM1 million) . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 17 2025, 04:11 PM arkasi liked this post
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Oct 17 2025, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 17 2025, 03:24 PM) Im not too sure which state you are in, but double storey shoplots cant be sold to foreigner, so you will lose a small % of prospective buyer in future. .but the benefit, its easier to rent out both ground and 1st, those 2nd n 3rd storey is a pain in the ass to rent, end up become hostel, also nightmare with the cleanliness im not sure whats the trend at your side, but recently new shops, landlord will force tenant to take up the whole building, either you use it or you sublet, your pasal nowadays developer also pandai, better access, better exposure units, they sell it higher, unless those days where 1st come 1st serve basis, all unit same price unless different built up normally main road tenants bigger brands who are able to pay more rental for exposure if compare to residential, should be much easier, just do your due diligence what biz they are doing, if extensive renovation needed, ask for more renovation deposit, after that technically own self settle sendiri unlike residential where aircon rosak, pipe rosak, toilet stuck for commercial they do ownself aje since yours is not a factory, the insurance premium should quite standard as per all landlord, also depend on luck your type of tenant, you get a good one, good paymaster, then just keep it as it is, no need to hike too much on next tenancy agreement If you later become very rich, will you run teaching courses like Vincent Nee.? ....... QUOTE((KronenZerg @ Oct 14 2025, 09:28 PM) Dato Vincent Nee ... property investor .. google and see .. He did podcast in one of local stations and he explained his students makes money from rental .. even said one of his students has 200K per month passive income. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE((yhtan @ Oct 17 2025, 09:51 AM) All he said is purely marketing talk lah, lure u to join his class, after that teach u all the method which available online, sell u certain property which he has kickback, then renovation use his own company. .And u go and check www.istiadat.gov.my/, his datoship name is not in there, meaning he is using fake title. This type of guru better stay far far away lah. How to create RM200k passive income nowadays? 3rd property already cap at 70% max loan. Unless you are cash rich and able to place 30% downpayment and create the so called "200k passive income" |
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Oct 17 2025, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2025, 07:22 AM) Ask yourself reit pays you 90% of what they earn. Usually they will be asking asking some eveye few years. Do you want to be an ATM or do you want someone to become your ATM. Behind every stock is a business. See if you can understand the business and if you like it. If you are lazy, just buy ETF. No harm in buying ETF. IF they asking some money every few years, what will happened if i refuse to pay? I am not well verse in REIT. Why they ask money every few years? |
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