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SUSlurkingaround
post Oct 14 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Oct 14 2025, 02:43 PM)
Guys -
I was watching TikTok video about this Dato Vince explaining how to make passive income..
The way he describe, you can buy a house and then sub it out for rental and then use the money to buy another house again ..

So if you have $$ .. should you invest in property or put in reliable stocks like PB or CIMB?

Your thoughts .. i will be receiving $$$ from US stock trading so dunno which should be good option as inflation will take place and amount in FD will become smaller in the future.

I am not expert in stocks or even crypto .. so afraid will lose instead.
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You liquidated your US stocks likely because you expected a Stock Crash coming soon - which usually comes once every decade or two, eg last US Stock Crash in 2008.

AFAIK, it's not wise to invest your money in property bc property prices in Malaysia have already peaked and is at market saturation (= prices unlikely to rise much further, eg no more 100% rise in 2-3 years time like in the mid-1990s), ... and bc property is an illiquid asset, eg cannot be immediately converted to cash for emergencies or urgencies.

So, better to invest in safer FD in major banks that give PIDM insurance of up to RM250k per bank account.
....... To account for inflation, use part of the annual interest income to topup your FD, eg if FD annual interest income is 3%, use 1.5% for the topup.
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Note that any trades in the market, eg stocks, cryptos, commodities, etc, can be manipulated by "gangsters" or co-conspirators, eg the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, cartels, etc.
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SUSlurkingaround
post Oct 14 2025, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Oct 14 2025, 04:38 PM)
Yeah . .looking for passive income.
What doesnt make sense to me is the ..spending RM400K, but rental is merely 2K/month .. take how long to get back the ROI, except the property is mine and hopefully appreciate in the future to offset the inflation.
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Passive income from property rental can be a BIG headache = stress, eg tenants from hell, property repairs, etc.
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SUSlurkingaround
post Oct 15 2025, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Oct 14 2025, 08:21 PM)
max_cavalera expert on rent-vesting ,  rent out 2 properties , sendiri live on renting , drive tesla
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Rent'vesting takes >20 years to mature or ROI. So far, he "belum kena, belum tahu", eg belum kena tenants from hell. Kena sekali, menangis oh.

Same lah if his Tesla kena fire while charging overnight at home = Tesla+home destroyed.

"Belum kena, belum tahu."

So, is rent'vesting high or low risk.?
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SUSlurkingaround
post Oct 16 2025, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Oct 16 2025, 02:48 PM)
general rule:

high risk high profit, low risk low profit, no risk no profit.

if an investment has guaranteed profit, then it is guarantee lose money or guarantee scam.

example, FD guarantee 3.5% interest, but with inflation, is guarantee lose money.
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Not necessarily true.
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Malaysia's inflation rate for Aug 2025 is about 1.5%. So, if we put FD at 3.5% interest for 1 year, we should topup the principal by about 1.5% at maturity to account for yearly inflation = treat FD interest income as 2.0% only, ie not 3.5%.

Eg RM100,000 in FD at 3.5% interest for 1 year. At the 1 year maturity, we get RM3,500 in interest income. From this RM3,500 amount, we should topup the renewed FD principal by RM1,500 = RM101,500, and use the remaining RM2,000 as passive income.
....... Bc our FD principal increases yearly by 1.5% of topups, our passive income will also increase yearly by 1.5% = guarantee no lose money to inflation.

If can, put our money in EPF to get higher yearly dividends/interests of >5% bc EPF is government-guaranteed = quite low risk.
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post Oct 16 2025, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Oct 16 2025, 04:03 PM)
inflation is 1.5% in one month. that is at least 15% per year
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No la. For 2024, Malaysia's inflation rate is 1.8%. .......

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+mal...sclient=gws-wiz
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post Oct 17 2025, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 17 2025, 09:51 AM)
All he said is purely marketing talk lah, lure u to join his class, after that teach u all the method which available online, sell u certain property which he has kickback, then renovation use his own company.

And u go and check www.istiadat.gov.my/, his datoship name is not in there, meaning he is using fake title. This type of guru better stay far far away lah.

How to create RM200k passive income nowadays? 3rd property already cap at 70% max loan. Unless you are cash rich and able to place 30% downpayment and create the so called "200k passive income"
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Also, why would a person who supposedly got very rich by knowing where to find a hidden treasure box, tell or teach others about it but charge them a hefty fee.? IOW, will the person get very rich by actually finding the hidden treasure or by charging gullible/greedy people the hefty fee.?
....... The latter way can be 500 gullible/greedy people X RM3,000 course fees = RM1.5 million, eg 10 classes of 50 people per class over 1 year. (RM500k as operating costs = profit RM1 million)
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SUSlurkingaround
post Oct 17 2025, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 17 2025, 03:24 PM)
Im not too sure which state you are in, but double storey shoplots cant be sold to foreigner, so you will lose a small % of prospective buyer in future.

but the benefit, its easier to rent out both ground and 1st, those 2nd n 3rd storey is a pain in the ass to rent, end up become hostel, also nightmare with the cleanliness
im not sure whats the trend at your side, but recently new shops, landlord will force tenant to take up the whole building, either you use it or you sublet, your pasal

nowadays developer also pandai, better access, better exposure units, they sell it higher, unless those days where 1st come 1st serve basis, all unit same price unless different built up

normally main road tenants bigger brands who are able to pay more rental for exposure

if compare to residential, should be much easier, just do your due diligence what biz they are doing, if extensive renovation needed, ask for more renovation deposit, after that technically own self settle sendiri unlike residential where aircon rosak, pipe rosak, toilet stuck
for commercial they do ownself aje

since yours is not a factory, the insurance premium should quite standard

as per all landlord, also depend on luck your type of tenant, you get a good one, good paymaster, then just keep it as it is, no need to hike too much on next tenancy agreement
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If you later become very rich, will you run teaching courses like Vincent Nee.? .......

QUOTE((KronenZerg @ Oct 14 2025, 09:28 PM)
Dato Vincent Nee ... property investor .. google and see ..
He did podcast in one of local stations and he explained his students makes money from rental .. even said one of his students has 200K per month passive income.
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QUOTE((yhtan @ Oct 17 2025, 09:51 AM)
All he said is purely marketing talk lah, lure u to join his class, after that teach u all the method which available online, sell u certain property which he has kickback, then renovation use his own company.

And u go and check www.istiadat.gov.my/, his datoship name is not in there, meaning he is using fake title. This type of guru better stay far far away lah.

How to create RM200k passive income nowadays? 3rd property already cap at 70% max loan. Unless you are cash rich and able to place 30% downpayment and create the so called "200k passive income"
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post Oct 18 2025, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Oct 18 2025, 10:07 AM)
is there any guide to buy ETF? This is something new to me and i am surprised the return is so much?
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Note that ETF investments are like stocks/shares and mutual funds/unit trusts whose prices can be manipulated or fixed by "gangsters" = can be high risk. If the present "being goreng" Stock Market crashes like during the 1929 Great Depression, it will take > a decade or two to recover back.

Eg Microsoft share price has likely been goreng to around US$500 today. If it is crashed to US$50 (= 90% loss for investors or shareholders) by Manipulators in a widespread Stock Market Crash, it may take a very long time for the investors to recover their 90% loss. Similarly for ETF investors. .......

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https://www.economicsuncovered.com/p/the-gr...auses-parallels - The Great Depression: timeline, causes and parallels to today
A stock market crash, waves of bank failures, a declining M2 money supply & massive deflation - all are hallmarks of the Great Depression. Some of these same hallmarks have reappeared today.
STEVEN ANASTASIOU
JUN 23, 2023

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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 18 2025, 02:48 PM

 

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