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post Oct 7 2025, 08:59 AM, updated 2 months ago

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#1. Did you know that Malaysian passports effectively forbid travel to Israel except with special permission? Yes or no. No euphemisms.

#2. If you knew, did you choose to break that law anyway or were you simply careless with your travel documents? Either answer will do – but own it.

#3. When exactly did you plan this trip and who briefed you first? A WhatsApp group, an NGO, a political cell or a weekend pub chat? Names and dates please.

#4. Did any of you study geography? Because Gaza has no usable commercial port. How exactly were you planning to unload “aid” – by magic? By raft? By very enthusiastic handover to whom?

#5. Were you employed? Who approved two months off for this sudden seafaring pilgrimage? If your boss signed the leave, do tell us which boss – or was your employer conveniently unavailable?

#6. How did you afford this expedition? Did wealthy patrons fund your holiday or did you crowdfund the voyage from people who thought they were buying food, not PR (public relations exercise)? Please list donors or the crowdfunding link.

#7. How much food did you actually pack? A humanitarian load or a picnic or for a movie? Exact quantities or at least whether you planned for three meals a day for a month or two.

#8. Did you pack enough food for the return? Or were you counting on being airlifted home with a media conference framed as “victimhood”?

#9. Your detention video was suspiciously steady for open sea footage – who filmed it and when? Was the clip prepared beforehand or posted live as events unfolded?

#10. Finally: who wrote the script? You all recited the same lines with unnerving synchronicity. Is there a speechwriter? A PR agency? An organisational handbook on how to behave dramatically on camera?


If you were honest humanitarians, answer clearly and publicly.

If someone else financed, scripted or briefed you, name them now –

the people who funded your trip owe an explanation to the donors who believed they were buying food, not optics.

If you wish to clear your names, a simple, unvarnished reply will do. Post it where we can all read it.

Say who paid for the boat.

Say who told you Gaza had a functioning port.

Say whether you knew you were breaking Malaysian law when you got on that boat.
No speeches.
No camera-ready pauses.

Just facts.

The rakyat is ready to plan a second attempt – but we will not be financing publicity stunts dressed up as humanitarianism.

If you were genuine, show us. If you were complicit in anything else, now is the time to be honest: either with your fellow citizens or with your conscience.




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post Oct 7 2025, 09:03 AM

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post Oct 7 2025, 09:07 AM

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i think somebody answered this, by siding the flotilla. let me see can find it or not.
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:08 AM

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1 and 2 can be applied both ways
i know several christians malaysians that visited jerusalem
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:08 AM

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Malaysian citizens can enter Israel through Jordan by arranging a special travel package through a licensed Jordanian travel agency. Malaysians cannot use their passports to enter Israel due to the lack of diplomatic relations, but the Ministry of Home Affairs (MOHA) allows religious pilgrims to apply for a single-journey restricted endorsement. The process involves obtaining approval from MOHA, which provides a paper endorsement instead of a passport stamp, and then applying for a visa to Israel through the approved travel agency in Amman

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post Oct 7 2025, 09:09 AM

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Kampung ppl dgaf. They just believe whatever narrative these ppl push to them.
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Jangan Tanya soalan Susah, Yang pending ialah niat dia.

Barang tak sampai itu Bukti kezaliman Israel!

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post Oct 7 2025, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(ThirdSon @ Oct 7 2025, 08:59 AM)
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If you were genuine, show us. If you were complicit in anything else, now is the time to be honest: either with your fellow citizens or with your conscience.

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Dear “Sceptical Malaysian”,

You asked ten questions in the name of accountability.

Fair enough.

But fairness also means knowing the facts before you accuse.

So let’s go through them one by one.

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𝐐𝟏: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐌𝐚𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐬𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐩𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐬 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐛𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐞𝐱𝐜𝐞𝐩𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧? 𝐘𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐨. 𝐍𝐨 𝐞𝐮𝐩𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐦𝐬.

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𝐐𝟐: 𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐞𝐰, 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐤 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐰𝐚𝐲, 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐥 𝐝𝐨𝐜𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬? 𝐄𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐝𝐨, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐢𝐭.

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𝐐𝟑: 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐩? 𝐀 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐬𝐀𝐩𝐩 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐩, 𝐚𝐧 𝐍𝐆𝐎, 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐞𝐥𝐥?

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𝐐𝟒: 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐆𝐚𝐳𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐮𝐬𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭. 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐨𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐢𝐝?

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𝐐𝟓: 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐨? 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐛𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞?

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𝐐𝟔: 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬? 𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐰𝐝𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠? 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐫𝐬? 𝐇𝐢𝐝𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐬??

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𝐐𝟕: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐝? 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐧𝐭?

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𝐐𝟖: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐡𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐩𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐲?

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𝐐𝟗: 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐨𝐬 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐦. 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝?

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𝐐𝟏𝟎: 𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐚𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬? 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐩𝐭𝐞𝐝?

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To the "Sceptical Malaysian"

You are right about one thing.

Malaysians have a right to know whether this was a sincere humanitarian effort or awell-orchestrated show.

Scepticism is fair, but only if it comes with curiosity, not cynicism.

It is easy to call it naïve if you did not know what you were looking at. Because the truth is, this was never a small local mission.

It was part of a global humanitarian network that has existed for over a decade, spanning forty countries and thirty-eight flotillas.

Doctors, journalists, lawmakers, and faith leaders have sailed before and some never made it back.

So if you thought these Malaysians acted alone or stumbled into politics by accident, that misunderstanding is understandable.

We live in a time where activism is often performative, so genuine courage looks unfamiliar. But ignorance of history does not make those who act naïve(as what you have written).

There was no hidden script, no media choreography, no profit to be made.

The accounts were published, the NGOs registered, the cargo documented.
If sincerity is proven by sacrifice, then these people have already given enough.

So yes, Malaysians have a right to ask.

And they have been answered not through press conferences, but through 48 hours of captivity, through calm faces behind metal bars, through voices that refused to break even when the world doubted them.

Call it naïve if you wish, but remember this: the only reason it looks naïve is because faith in humanity has become rare enough to look unrealistic.

And let’s flip the Question

Instead of asking who paid for the boat,
ask why aid to Gaza still needs boats in 2025.

Instead of mocking those who sailed,
ask why armed soldiers board civilian vessels in open sea.

Instead of doubting their sincerity,
ask why our silence always sounds louder than their courage.

You wanted accountability. Fair.

But accountability cuts both ways, between those who act and those who scoff from safety.

Maybe the real awkward question is not for them at all.

Maybe it is for us. Yes You and Me.

When did compassion become something we had to apologise for?

Signed,
A Malaysian Who Still Believes in Humanity
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:25 AM

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it doesn't matter, niat itu lagi penting.

keikhlasan itu penting and most importantly yang atas tahu.
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(kons @ Oct 7 2025, 09:08 AM)

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But these ppl ain’t going thru Jordan nor did they obtained such permit…
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:28 AM

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Banyak soalan! Pening nak jawab!
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:31 AM

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Honestly I like to know what these activists were doing when we have the great flood some time back? Were they so active going around helping out the victims consisting of helpless MALAYSIANS then…. Anyone knows if they were involved in the big flood activities then? Can share details?
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 09:28 AM)
Banyak soalan!  Pening nak jawab!
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Ha ha ha ha ha... Inb4...
Lu jgn tanya soalan yg susah ya!
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:32 AM

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TL;DR: OP sauce is weak. Obvious bias from the get go and was too lazy to do their own read and research.

Not acceptable in this time and age where information is readily available at the tip of one's fingers.
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Ha ha ha ha ha... Inb4...
Lu jgn tanya soalan yg susah ya!
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First two questions, Malaysia passport can't enter Israel but can enter Palestine icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:34 AM

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let them be lar, they want help let them help, not like they disturb yr life also...
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 09:31 AM)
Honestly I like to know what these activists were doing when we have the great flood some time back?  Were they so active going around helping out the victims consisting of helpless MALAYSIANS then…. Anyone knows if they were involved in the big flood activities then?  Can share details?
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DID you do anything?

Got internet, DYOR.
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:35 AM

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But these ppl ain’t going thru Jordan nor did they obtained such permit…
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They not entering Israel, they entering Palestine whistling.gif
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would this group of people be allow to enter angmoh countries again?
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:40 AM

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A bunch of loaded questions.
Pretty obvious the malicious intents of the interrogations.
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post Oct 7 2025, 09:41 AM

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DID you do anything?

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Well, I am consistent that I am not supporting anyone in the Middle East conflicts at all cos they are too far for me to worry plus the two opposing parties are not interested in peace. If they cannot agree to disagree, why waste time helping anyone there. The people chose their leaders and obviously they chose violence over peace from their choice of leaders! No?

And I did donate to the great flood victims funds then. At least I help our Malaysians and Not outsider thousand miles away cos I believe charity really BEGINS at home and nowhere else.

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Copy and paste these questions to chatgpt also can get the answer already🤦🏻‍♂️
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 09:41 AM)
Well, I am consistent that I am not supporting anyone in the Middle East conflicts at all cos they are too far for me to worry plus the two opposing parties are not interested in peace.  If they cannot agree to disagree, why waste time helping anyone there.  The people chose their leaders and obviously they chose violence over peace from their choice of leaders!  No? 

And I did donate to the great flood victims funds then.  At least I help our Malaysians and Not outsider thousand miles away cos I believe charity really BEGINS at home and nowhere else.
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Good for you then. We live in a free country. U are free to help whoever you want to help right? Keep up the good work.
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QUOTE(croco_2002 @ Oct 7 2025, 09:56 AM)
Good for you then. We live in a free country. U are free to help whoever you want to help right? Keep up the good work.
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Yes, I prefer to focus on what I can influence instead of go thousands of miles trying to solve things that I cannot influence. The plights of my fellow citizens take priority over what happens thousand miles away which does not affect me at all.
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post Oct 7 2025, 10:24 AM

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Budget 2026 expect more expansion of SST and increasing rate to 8 percent for some.

Lepas tu every 3 bulan hantar 100 juta ke Gaza lesap.

Join sampan kena tangkap. rakyat bayar.

Susah sangat nak faham ke, tindakan kau ada banyak effect lain kepada semua orang , termasuk yang kau tak ingin mengganggu?

You all think 100 million semuanyang duduk parlimen keluar poket sendiri?

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Oct 7 2025, 09:08 AM)
1 and 2 can be applied both ways
i know several christians malaysians that visited jerusalem
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This is very normal in the Christian community. A lot of churches apply for special approval as a group to visit Jerusalem. I know a whole bunch of people who's been there before.

But if u ask me whether they got special approval for this? You know, I know la.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 09:41 AM)
Well, I am consistent that I am not supporting anyone in the Middle East conflicts at all cos they are too far for me to worry plus the two opposing parties are not interested in peace.  If they cannot agree to disagree, why waste time helping anyone there.  The people chose their leaders and obviously they chose violence over peace from their choice of leaders!  No? 

And I did donate to the great flood victims funds then.  At least I help our Malaysians and Not outsider thousand miles away cos I believe charity really BEGINS at home and nowhere else.
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The saying that charity begins at home doesn't mean that it ended at home as well but hey, you do you.
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QUOTE(RS42 @ Oct 7 2025, 10:28 AM)
This is very normal in the Christian community. A lot of churches apply for special approval as a group to visit Jerusalem. I know a whole bunch of people who's been there before.

But if u ask me whether they got special approval for this? You know, I know la.
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You know what, those flotilla didn't want to go to israel, they want to go to Gaza. Big difference.
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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 7 2025, 10:29 AM)
The saying that charity begins at home doesn't mean that it ended at home as well but hey, you do you.
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Agree but if I have to choose, my priorities are Malaysians first. God knows how many Malaysians need our attention rather than overseas. Heck, even those in ASEAN countries deserves our attention since they are closer to home, no? Why choose a conflict that are thousands of miles away that have both parties fighting and refuse peace? Anyway, I shall continue to prioritize domestic and regional ASEAN rather than that area which has not seen any meaningful peace since time existed. Is it even a wonder why so many prophets comes from there to try to implement peace! Ok, enough said or else nanti kena akta sakit hati. 😂
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Just let them do whatever they like. Why would you want stop them, anyway..
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>i dgaf about gsf and gaza
>open another thread about gsf and gaza

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Oct 7 2025, 10:08 AM)
1 and 2 can be applied both ways
i know several christians malaysians that visited jerusalem
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Also it's not like an extremely contested territory like Gaza has universally agreed ownership anyway. 1 side says it's Palestine's, 1 side says it's Israel's.
Malaysian passport excluded Israel because our country do not acknowledge the existence of Israel. So it's not forbidden per se, but non-recognition.

A tad more nuanced than say, South Korea-North Korea, heck even Jammu & Kashmir.
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QUOTE(zeese @ Oct 7 2025, 10:37 AM)
Just let them do whatever they like. Why would you want stop them, anyway..
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because you are paying the literal cost of their rescue.

If Trump decides to increase sanctions because of our participation, your company less business no increment no bonus. Then PMX budget 2026 increase more SST but give 100 million donation

Is Israel dulan send Mossad here to rule up some trouble, couple bombs here and there , while you bad luck or family bad luck at that place , KaBOOM?

All for what,? the group who WE paid to fly in to Malaysia on humanitarian and the thanks is merusuh baling kerusi nak balik Gaza lagi baik dari duduk sini.


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2 months passage on a sailboat doesn’t leave much space for cargo after you stuff it full of provisions.
I doubt there was much relief cargo just lots of insta and tiktok accounts
And post arrest, what makes them so special that tehir release was secured so quick from a country we are proud to say we have no diplomatic ties with?
Malaysians wanting to get home from Egypt during the Egypt Arab spring also didn’t get back so quick.

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Agree but if I have to choose, my priorities are Malaysians first.  God knows how many Malaysians need our attention rather than overseas.  Heck, even those in ASEAN countries deserves our attention since they are closer to home, no?  Why choose a conflict that are thousands of miles away that have both parties fighting and refuse peace?  Anyway, I shall continue to prioritize domestic and regional ASEAN rather than that area which has not seen any meaningful peace since time existed.  Is it even a wonder why so many prophets comes from there to try to implement peace!  Ok, enough said or else nanti kena akta sakit hati.  😂
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Mat gaza: coz it’s about “humanity”, bro
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So the poor Malaysians and orang also are not humans? 🧐
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2 months passage on a sailboat doesn’t leave much space for cargo after you stuff it full of provisions.
I doubt there was much relief cargo just lots of insta and tiktok accounts
And post arrest, what makes them so special that tehir release was secured so quick from a country we are proud to say we have no diplomatic ties with?
Malaysians wanting to get home from Egypt during the Egypt Arab spring also didn’t get back so quick.
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As long its done for their own, sure ok.

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Else plenty of other humanitarian efforts needed in past & present but only those didnt meet a specific criteria so.....
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For those who talipon here and there to spin … read these articles !  Hero is Vietnam!
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Doesn't it make the participants feel so stupid that everyone else is taking advantage to hijack the news for personal , poiticial reasons while guess what Gaza is still Gaza, for them , huh , what boat? what?
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So the poor Malaysians and orang also are not humans?  🧐
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usually puak pro telurlist will tell u tht malaysia in war meh?
its ok they can just lose their jobs n find another job, but palestinian is facing GENOCIDE u paham tak? huh?? huh?????
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usually puak pro telurlist will tell u tht malaysia in war meh?
its ok they can just lose their jobs n find another job, but palestinian is facing GENOCIDE u paham tak? huh?? huh?????
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Why don’t they discuss peace then? Then no genocide lor.
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would this group of people be allow to enter angmoh countries again?
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 10:58 AM)
Why don’t they discuss peace then?  Then no genocide lor.
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puak pro telurlist: peace was never the option bcoz baby killer started it!
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Doesn't it make the participants feel so stupid that everyone else is taking advantage to hijack the news for personal , poiticial reasons while guess what Gaza is still Gaza, for them , huh , what boat?  what?
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Sigh…. There is a saying that stupidity has not cure or something like that? I recently read an X article by this lady FA Abdul about why go with flotilla when there are better and more effective way to deal with the conflict from Malaysia viewpoint…. She had a good view. FA Abdul was formerly a columnist for free Malaysia and some other NGO, I think. Used to read her article as it was done with a lot of useful tots and critical thinking. Cannot say I agreed with her columns at all times but I like her way to think critically about any issues.
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Sigh…. There is a saying that stupidity has not cure or something like that?  I recently read an X article by this lady FA Abdul about why go with flotilla when there are better and more effective way to deal with the conflict from Malaysia viewpoint…. She had a good view.  FA Abdul was formerly a columnist for free Malaysia and some other NGO, I think.  Used to read her article as it was done with a lot of useful tots and critical thinking.  Cannot say I agreed with her columns at all times but I like her way to think critically about any issues.
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Organized by yours truly BMX

But had zero effect on lifting the blockade, whilst could've jeopardized the trump peace talks if it went south
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puak pro telurlist: peace was never the option bcoz baby killer started it!
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Then Both parties in the conflict deserve their fate. Nothing to do with us, I think as they do not want peace. Malay saying ‘ if a cow does not want to drink, no matter how u push its head to drink water, it will not budge!’ Holds true!
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So the poor Malaysians and orang also are not humans?  🧐
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Not to them, Gazans more important, poor Malaysians not oppressed and dying enough
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Not to them, Gazans more important, poor Malaysians not oppressed and dying enough
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Ok. I go lunch. Enough diggin hole for myself to go in, by typing more. For all we know, this forum is under huge scrutiny by the posmen fella who rides his posmen bike in opis, because of its views on the conflicts. Matter of time before someone kena… 😉

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1 and 2 can be applied both ways
i know several christians malaysians that visited jerusalem
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Muslims also can
They can do umrah there and have to transit in Tel Aviv.
So: friend of mine did it.
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For those who talipon here and there to spin … read these articles !  Hero is Vietnam!
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But Singapore also have diplomatic ties with Israel, so near why not ask them to help? This kind of thing doesn’t need ASEAN Chair to do, not that ASEAN chair does much anyways.

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I still don't understand why they are treated as national heroes.
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Why don’t they discuss peace then?  Then no genocide lor.
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For them it is zero sum game, for Palestine to be free, Israel must go, but Israel isn’t going anywhere. So how to chat? Can’t even put down guns to sit down and have a coffee.
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well, im sure their zionist bosses approved of their psyops campaign

doesnt sound Malaysian at all

and those questions get repeated under a variety of online names

so, yeah
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what ever who ever right or left of wrong

remember this

charity begins at home

go into the kampong and there are thousands that needed help much more than those non-Malaysians [ which those rich middle eastern countries wont want to help ] which even our ADUN wont want to help
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I still don't understand why they are treated as national heroes.
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But Singapore also have diplomatic ties with Israel, so near why not ask them to help? This kind of thing doesn’t need ASEAN Chair to do, not that ASEAN chair does much anyways.
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Spore DNGAF about these issues cos they don’t want to get involved. What do they gain? Nothing cos personally their try to distance themselves from this conflicts by showing support for any parties. They just donate to the international aid agency and kept their mouth shut. They believe it is best to keep mouth shut if you have nothing good to say. This is the best policy, especially for this NEVERENDING conflict. This conflict is like the Arabian nights… 1000 years from now, they will still kill each other !
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 7 2025, 09:25 AM)
Dear “Sceptical Malaysian”,

You asked ten questions in the name of accountability.

Fair enough.

But fairness also means knowing the facts before you accuse.

So let’s go through them one by one.

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𝐐𝟏: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐌𝐚𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐬𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐩𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐬 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐛𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐞𝐱𝐜𝐞𝐩𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧? 𝐘𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐨. 𝐍𝐨 𝐞𝐮𝐩𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐦𝐬.

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𝐐𝟐: 𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐞𝐰, 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐤 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐰𝐚𝐲, 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐥 𝐝𝐨𝐜𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬? 𝐄𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐝𝐨, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐢𝐭.

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𝐐𝟑: 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐩? 𝐀 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐬𝐀𝐩𝐩 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐩, 𝐚𝐧 𝐍𝐆𝐎, 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐞𝐥𝐥?

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𝐐𝟒: 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐆𝐚𝐳𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐮𝐬𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭. 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐨𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐢𝐝?

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𝐐𝟓: 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐨? 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐛𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞?

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𝐐𝟔: 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬? 𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐰𝐝𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠? 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐫𝐬? 𝐇𝐢𝐝𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐬??

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𝐐𝟕: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐝? 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐧𝐭?

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𝐐𝟖: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐡𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐩𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐲?

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𝐐𝟗: 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐨𝐬 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐦. 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝?

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𝐐𝟏𝟎: 𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐚𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬? 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐩𝐭𝐞𝐝?

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To the "Sceptical Malaysian"

You are right about one thing.

Malaysians have a right to know whether this was a sincere humanitarian effort or awell-orchestrated show.

Scepticism is fair, but only if it comes with curiosity, not cynicism.

It is easy to call it naïve if you did not know what you were looking at. Because the truth is, this was never a small local mission.

It was part of a global humanitarian network that has existed for over a decade, spanning forty countries and thirty-eight flotillas.

Doctors, journalists, lawmakers, and faith leaders have sailed before and some never made it back.

So if you thought these Malaysians acted alone or stumbled into politics by accident, that misunderstanding is understandable.

We live in a time where activism is often performative, so genuine courage looks unfamiliar. But ignorance of history does not make those who act naïve(as what you have written).

There was no hidden script, no media choreography, no profit to be made.

The accounts were published, the NGOs registered, the cargo documented.
If sincerity is proven by sacrifice, then these people have already given enough.

So yes, Malaysians have a right to ask.

And they have been answered not through press conferences, but through 48 hours of captivity, through calm faces behind metal bars, through voices that refused to break even when the world doubted them.

Call it naïve if you wish, but remember this: the only reason it looks naïve is because faith in humanity has become rare enough to look unrealistic.

And let’s flip the Question

Instead of asking who paid for the boat,
ask why aid to Gaza still needs boats in 2025.

Instead of mocking those who sailed,
ask why armed soldiers board civilian vessels in open sea.

Instead of doubting their sincerity,
ask why our silence always sounds louder than their courage.

You wanted accountability. Fair.

But accountability cuts both ways, between those who act and those who scoff from safety.

Maybe the real awkward question is not for them at all.

Maybe it is for us. Yes You and Me.

When did compassion become something we had to apologise for?

Signed,
A Malaysian Who Still Believes in Humanity
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Thanks, good info for those unaware of this initiative/mission
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Spore DNGAF about these issues cos they don’t want to get involved.  What do they gain?  Nothing cos personally their try to distance themselves from this conflicts by showing support for any parties.  They just donate to the international aid agency and kept their mouth shut.  They believe it is best to keep mouth shut if you have nothing good to say.  This is the best policy, especially for this NEVERENDING conflict. This conflict is like the Arabian nights… 1000 years from now, they will still kill each other !
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Singapore did more than malaysia with regards to gaza, they frequently air drop humanitarian supplies there

At least better than malaysia tokkoksingsong till cows come home

Trump peace plan never mentioned malaysia or anwar at all, indonesia got mentioned many times

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 7 2025, 11:21 AM)
Singapore did more than malaysia with regards to gaza, they frequently air drop humanitarian supplies there

At least better than malaysia tokkoksingsong till cows come home

Trump peace plan never mentioned malaysia or anwar at all, indonesia got mentioned many times
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Yes, they donated more than us based on latest information. We said we donated MYR 200 millions but information provided by those who receive, only like 30 MM usd were received since 2025! Last I know, MYR 200 MM is like USD 50MM. Wonder where the missing 20MM leaked to, domestically or internationally! 😉
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Thanks, good info for those unaware of this initiative/mission
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yup, actually most of the reply by this fellow on point.

Except Sumud wasnt really cooperative with Israel on 2 points:

1) The blockade legal or not doesnt matter cause everyone is saying different things. What matter is as the belligerent nation in the conflict, as a conduct of war, limiting access of unrelated party to armed conflict region is reasonable. You dont walk like your house and expect no injury. Bullet has no eyes.

2) The aid distribution - Israel wants them to use the same crossing that limit access. Sumud wants unfiltered access or port under UN supervision. (Frankly, then they should just give the aids to UN, why bother to deliver personally)


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As long its done for their own, sure ok.

You know
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Else plenty of other humanitarian efforts needed in past & present but only those didnt meet a specific criteria so.....
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Public perception is a of part of war, always has been. 1sra3l have their apparatus, so does its enemies. Complaining about legality of an action is also part of the fight for public perception. In conclusion, TS is part of Zionists pr campaign.
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1 and 2 can be applied both ways
i know several christians malaysians that visited jerusalem
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Is it possible though? Or with some "travel guide"?
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Bapak ah ada lagi zionist simp dlm /k ni
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When I read just few of those questions, I think the person thought he was smart but he made himself look dumb.
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QUOTE(ThirdSon @ Oct 7 2025, 08:59 AM)
#1. Did you know that Malaysian passports effectively forbid travel to Israel except with special permission? Yes or no. No euphemisms.

#2. If you knew, did you choose to break that law anyway or were you simply careless with your travel documents? Either answer will do – but own it.

#3. When exactly did you plan this trip and who briefed you first? A WhatsApp group, an NGO, a political cell or a weekend pub chat? Names and dates please.

#4. Did any of you study geography? Because Gaza has no usable commercial port. How exactly were you planning to unload “aid” – by magic? By raft? By very enthusiastic handover to whom?

#5. Were you employed? Who approved two months off for this sudden seafaring pilgrimage? If your boss signed the leave, do tell us which boss – or was your employer conveniently unavailable?

#6. How did you afford this expedition? Did wealthy patrons fund your holiday or did you crowdfund the voyage from people who thought they were buying food, not PR (public relations exercise)? Please list donors or the crowdfunding link.

#7. How much food did you actually pack? A humanitarian load or a picnic or for a movie? Exact quantities or at least whether you planned for three meals a day for a month or two.

#8. Did you pack enough food for the return? Or were you counting on being airlifted home with a media conference framed as “victimhood”?

#9. Your detention video was suspiciously steady for open sea footage – who filmed it and when? Was the clip prepared beforehand or posted live as events unfolded?

#10. Finally: who wrote the script? You all recited the same lines with unnerving synchronicity. Is there a speechwriter? A PR agency? An organisational handbook on how to behave dramatically on camera?
If you were honest humanitarians, answer clearly and publicly.

If someone else financed, scripted or briefed you, name them now –

the people who funded your trip owe an explanation to the donors who believed they were buying food, not optics.

If you wish to clear your names, a simple, unvarnished reply will do. Post it where we can all read it.

Say who paid for the boat.

Say who told you Gaza had a functioning port.

Say whether you knew you were breaking Malaysian law when you got on that boat.
No speeches.
No camera-ready pauses.

Just facts.

The rakyat is ready to plan a second attempt – but we will not be financing publicity stunts dressed up as humanitarianism.

If you were genuine, show us. If you were complicit in anything else, now is the time to be honest: either with your fellow citizens or with your conscience.

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it's super obvious this flotilla bullshit is a bloody political show funded by our madani government with support from hamas behind the scene. all to achieve the goal for anwar to gather votes for coming GE & at the same time demonizing israel so that a lot more uneducated useful idiots can be manipulated by hamas narratives that claiming israel is the devil when in factual reality it's hamas who started the war by invading israel & mercilessly massacre over 1200 people & kidnapped over 200 hostages & raped many women & killed many babies.

the whole conflict is not actually about the oppression & occupation of gaza but it's about denying the rights of existence of a jewish state of israel. the goal of establishment of hamas is to eliminate israel & kill all jews. the issues of gaza & palestine are fabricated narratives by hamas as propaganda to fool all those useful idiots around the world.

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Oct 7 2025, 09:08 AM)
1 and 2 can be applied both ways
i know several christians malaysians that visited jerusalem
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How to join those tour groups?
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 7 2025, 09:25 AM)


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𝐐𝟑: 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐩? 𝐀 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐬𝐀𝐩𝐩 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐩, 𝐚𝐧 𝐍𝐆𝐎, 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐞𝐥𝐥?

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who are the people leading in those so called NGO? are they really there for the sole purpose of humanitarian aid or hidden political motives? what are their background & political views about this conflict? are they politically biased or religiously biased? which or what are they showing support in private?

stop thinking these so called NGO are truly as holy & noble as you fantasized.
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i hav close family member to went to Jerusalem before, i can more or less answer some of your questions.

MY doesn't recognize Israel as a state, but recognize palestitne as a state.
so u basically say u go visit palestine, not israel, problem averted on paper?

secondly, the restriction less about not letting m'sia passport holder travel there, rather more on to stop israelis from entering MY.

that's all on paper only, in actual practice, thr loophole into Jerusalem is to land on ajacent country, then enter via land route, like open smuggling.
for religious purposes, they will let u in, but u hav to proof u are from that religion.

once in there, u do what the tour guide says, dont step out of line.
coz if u get in trouble, no no MY embassy to save u.

of coz got risk involve.
if a war broke out while u're in there, border closed, u're in for trouble.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 09:31 AM)
Honestly I like to know what these activists were doing when we have the great flood some time back?  Were they so active going around helping out the victims consisting of helpless MALAYSIANS then…. Anyone knows if they were involved in the big flood activities then?  Can share details?
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we also dont see they take any actions when ukraine got invaded & attacked by russia. we dont see them shouting solidarity with ukraine or protesting against russia.

there are real genocide in some places in africa but we dont see these so called activists show any support to those being killed in africa.

for the past few decades tens of thousands of Yemen & Syria muslims murdered by islamic terrorists groups but we dont see these activists take any actions or even condemning the killing of muslims in Yemen & Syria.

so it's clear & obvious this flotilla bullshit is not really about helping gaza but to create a narrative to trap israel to further demonize israel to match the propaganda of hamas terrorists.
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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 03:22 PM)
we also dont see they take any actions when ukraine got invaded & attacked by russia. we dont see them shouting solidarity with ukraine or protesting against russia.

there are real genocide in some places in africa but we dont see these so called activists show any support to those being killed in africa.

for the past few decades tens of thousands of Yemen & Syria muslims murdered by islamic terrorists groups but we dont see these activists take any actions or even condemning the killing of muslims in Yemen & Syria.

so it's clear & obvious this flotilla bullshit is not really about helping gaza but to create a narrative to trap israel to further demonize israel to match the propaganda of hamas terrorists.
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>Demonize Israel
>Hamas propaganda
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Oct 7 2025, 10:24 AM)
Budget 2026 expect more expansion of SST and increasing rate to 8 percent for some.

Lepas tu every 3 bulan hantar 100 juta ke Gaza lesap.

Join sampan kena tangkap. rakyat bayar.

Susah sangat nak faham ke, tindakan kau ada banyak effect lain kepada semua orang , termasuk yang kau tak ingin mengganggu?

You all think 100 million semuanyang duduk parlimen keluar poket sendiri?
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you think that 100M can reach the hands of gaza citizen?

99.999% all go into personal bank acc of hamas leaders to support their 7 star lifestyle in Qatar.
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Oct 7 2025, 10:42 AM)
Also it's not like an extremely contested territory like Gaza has universally agreed ownership anyway. 1 side says it's Palestine's, 1 side says it's Israel's.
Malaysian passport excluded Israel because our country do not acknowledge the existence of Israel. So it's not forbidden per se, but non-recognition.

A tad more nuanced than say, South Korea-North Korea, heck even Jammu & Kashmir.
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the whole conflict is about this matter. the establishment of hamas & the goal of hamas is about this matter.

the land occupation is just a spin off to cover up the true motive.
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Send these tortilla terrorist back to where they want to go.

Let them stay Gaza few years. Hamas need more cannon fodder
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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 03:27 PM)
you think that 100M can reach the hands of gaza citizen?

99.999% all go into personal bank acc of hamas leaders to support their 7 star lifestyle in Qatar.
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lol then the effort becomes more worthless if you put it like that
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 7 2025, 10:47 AM)
2 months passage on a sailboat doesn’t leave much space for cargo after you stuff it full of provisions.
I doubt there was much relief cargo just lots of insta and tiktok accounts
And post arrest, what makes them so special that tehir release was secured so quick from a country we are proud to say we have no diplomatic ties with?
Malaysians wanting to get home from Egypt during the Egypt Arab spring also didn’t get back so quick.
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there are more humans than aid cargo in those ships. if you are honestly wanting to deliver aid, why you bring so little cargo with you?

it's a political stunt by anwar for the coming GE votes & complying with hamas narratives. it was never to deliver cargo or aid in the first place.

the purpose & goal is to create a trap for israel so that can further demonize israel more.
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most probably based on first question, the ppl who asked this question in the first place does not what is happening... they are travelling to gaza to help gaza... half way they kena capture by israel... den the israel bring them back to israel.. they do not sail out to israel... they hate israel so much, why would they go to israel in the first place?
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QUOTE(chinti @ Oct 7 2025, 11:01 AM)
puak pro telurlist: peace was never the option bcoz baby killer started it!
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as if hamas terrorists are bloody holy & sacred & had never killed & massacre anyone before.

proved extreme & radical religious indoctrination & religious biasedness are very dangerous & evil.
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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 03:22 PM)
we also dont see they take any actions when ukraine got invaded & attacked by russia. we dont see them shouting solidarity with ukraine or protesting against russia.

there are real genocide in some places in africa but we dont see these so called activists show any support to those being killed in africa.

for the past few decades tens of thousands of Yemen & Syria muslims murdered by islamic terrorists groups but we dont see these activists take any actions or even condemning the killing of muslims in Yemen & Syria.

so it's clear & obvious this flotilla bullshit is not really about helping gaza but to create a narrative to trap israel to further demonize israel to match the propaganda of hamas terrorists.
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I will not go into Ukraine stuff as again it is too far away from here. I pick local issues which is more relevant to me and the country.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 11:03 AM)
Then Both parties in the conflict deserve their fate.  Nothing to do with us, I think as they do not want peace.  Malay saying ‘ if a cow does not want to drink, no matter how u push its head to drink water, it will not budge!’ Holds true!
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palestine people never wanted peace. they elected hamas to be their government. you really think this group of people who willingly choose a terrorists group to dictate their own fate would want any true peace in that region?
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 7 2025, 09:25 AM)
Dear “Sceptical Malaysian”,

You asked ten questions in the name of accountability.

Fair enough.

But fairness also means knowing the facts before you accuse.

So let’s go through them one by one.

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𝐐𝟏: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐌𝐚𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐬𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐩𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐬 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐛𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐞𝐱𝐜𝐞𝐩𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧? 𝐘𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐧𝐨. 𝐍𝐨 𝐞𝐮𝐩𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐦𝐬.

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𝐐𝟐: 𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐞𝐰, 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐤 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐰𝐚𝐲, 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐥 𝐝𝐨𝐜𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬? 𝐄𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐝𝐨, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐢𝐭.

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𝐐𝟑: 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐩? 𝐀 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐬𝐀𝐩𝐩 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐩, 𝐚𝐧 𝐍𝐆𝐎, 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐞𝐥𝐥?

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𝐐𝟒: 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐆𝐚𝐳𝐚 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐮𝐬𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭. 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐨𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐢𝐝?

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𝐐𝟓: 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐨? 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐛𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞?

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𝐐𝟔: 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬? 𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐰𝐝𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠? 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐫𝐬? 𝐇𝐢𝐝𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐬??

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𝐐𝟕: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐝? 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐧𝐭?

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𝐐𝟖: 𝐃𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐡𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐩𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐲?

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𝐐𝟗: 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐨𝐬 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐦. 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝?

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𝐐𝟏𝟎: 𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐚𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬? 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐩𝐭𝐞𝐝?

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To the "Sceptical Malaysian"

You are right about one thing.

Malaysians have a right to know whether this was a sincere humanitarian effort or awell-orchestrated show.

Scepticism is fair, but only if it comes with curiosity, not cynicism.

It is easy to call it naïve if you did not know what you were looking at. Because the truth is, this was never a small local mission.

It was part of a global humanitarian network that has existed for over a decade, spanning forty countries and thirty-eight flotillas.

Doctors, journalists, lawmakers, and faith leaders have sailed before and some never made it back.

So if you thought these Malaysians acted alone or stumbled into politics by accident, that misunderstanding is understandable.

We live in a time where activism is often performative, so genuine courage looks unfamiliar. But ignorance of history does not make those who act naïve(as what you have written).

There was no hidden script, no media choreography, no profit to be made.

The accounts were published, the NGOs registered, the cargo documented.
If sincerity is proven by sacrifice, then these people have already given enough.

So yes, Malaysians have a right to ask.

And they have been answered not through press conferences, but through 48 hours of captivity, through calm faces behind metal bars, through voices that refused to break even when the world doubted them.

Call it naïve if you wish, but remember this: the only reason it looks naïve is because faith in humanity has become rare enough to look unrealistic.

And let’s flip the Question

Instead of asking who paid for the boat,
ask why aid to Gaza still needs boats in 2025.

Instead of mocking those who sailed,
ask why armed soldiers board civilian vessels in open sea.

Instead of doubting their sincerity,
ask why our silence always sounds louder than their courage.

You wanted accountability. Fair.

But accountability cuts both ways, between those who act and those who scoff from safety.

Maybe the real awkward question is not for them at all.

Maybe it is for us. Yes You and Me.

When did compassion become something we had to apologise for?

Signed,
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Spore DNGAF about these issues cos they don’t want to get involved.  What do they gain?  Nothing cos personally their try to distance themselves from this conflicts by showing support for any parties.  They just donate to the international aid agency and kept their mouth shut.  They believe it is best to keep mouth shut if you have nothing good to say.  This is the best policy, especially for this NEVERENDING conflict. This conflict is like the Arabian nights… 1000 years from now, they will still kill each other !
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they dont kill each other now simply because they have israel as their common enemy. if israel is totally gone one day, they will not hesitate to start war among themselves massacring their own kind day in day out.

religion of peace? bullshit
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 11:23 AM)
Yes, they donated more than us based on latest information.  We said we donated MYR 200 millions but information provided by those who receive, only like 30 MM usd were received since 2025! Last I know, MYR 200 MM is like USD 50MM.  Wonder where the missing 20MM leaked to,  domestically or internationally!  😉
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such a great opportunity to songlap put in front of your, if you dont take you are an idiot.

of course those money gone into someone personal pocket lah
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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 03:41 PM)
as if hamas terrorists are bloody holy & sacred & had never killed & massacre anyone before.

proved extreme & radical religious indoctrination & religious biasedness are very dangerous & evil.
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u jangan persoal nanti u kena label baby killer supporter
hamas paling suci ok
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QUOTE(hakimix @ Oct 7 2025, 03:37 PM)
lol then the effort becomes more worthless if you put it like that
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how many billions or trillions of donations across the world give to palestine/hamas since this war broke out?

how much of these donations get to the hands of the citizen who are truly in needs?

remember the photo exposed the wife of one of the hamas leader holding a Hermes handbag worth over 30k with all her big branded outfit when she was escaping in one of the underground tunnels?

most if not all of those donations will only go straight to hamas hands to either support their 7 stars lifestyle or purchase weapons from russia / china / north korea to prolong this war.

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 03:44 PM)
I will not go into Ukraine stuff as again it is too far away from here.  I pick local issues which is more relevant to me and the country.
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it's to prove they are extremely politically & religiously biased. they will only do things which align with the narratives they want/like. fake humanitarian activists but true religious / politic biased clowns.

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QUOTE(chinti @ Oct 7 2025, 03:57 PM)
u jangan persoal nanti u kena label baby killer supporter
hamas paling suci ok
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i know how useful idiots think in their tiny brains.

merciless massacre, suicide bombing, beheading of innocents, live burning of babies.

all these evil inhuman crimes are acceptable & okay when it was hamas terrorists who did it.

but completely opposite when non muslims did the same thing.
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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 03:44 PM)
palestine people never wanted peace. they elected hamas to be their government. you really think this group of people who willingly choose a terrorists group to dictate their own fate would want any true peace in that region?
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To avoid sounding like I am taking positions, it is better for me to state that both parties refuse to give permanent peace a chance. Who and what transpired over there is relative to that person’s personal view. If you read this thread alone, u have both sides of the coins, like PAS and DAP supporters. Both cannot agree to disagree. One goes back to kingdom ago and land the other goes back to origins of man….😂😂😂😂😂😂. Which is interesting cos some quote Oct 7 as a basis, some quote after UN gave land to Israel, one quote bible, one quote Koran. lol!
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Whenever you see celebs jumping on the bandwagon for any issue and the media hyping it up and those involved are trying to show off on socmed to the max (virtue signaling), even politicians milking it to the max, then it is a circus show.

The REAL issues, nobody will care, and no politician will touch. And the media will avoid, if not censor.

Like.....Yu Menglong case.

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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 04:07 PM)
it's to prove they are extremely politically & religiously biased. they will only do things which align with the narratives they want/like. fake humanitarian activists but true religious / politic biased clowns.
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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 03:50 PM)
such a great opportunity to songlap put in front of your, if you dont take you are an idiot.

of course those money gone into someone personal pocket lah
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hoping mcmc and special branch open paper on some of these people.

the modus operandi are the same as zionist propaganda for past years.

Question stupid shit, when given answer argue next stupid shit and merry go round until people tired to explain anymore.

the objective is never to win the argument but to drain people out.

and the point of argument are the same across the board repeated day in and day out while ignoring all the obvious thing that u can educate urself in 5 minutes
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QUOTE(steevan1000 @ Oct 7 2025, 03:37 PM)
there are more humans than aid cargo in those ships. if you are honestly wanting to deliver aid, why you bring so little cargo with you?

it's a political stunt by anwar for the coming GE votes & complying with hamas narratives. it was never to deliver cargo or aid in the first place.

the purpose & goal is to create a trap for israel so that can further demonize israel more.
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Heard on radio they are being labelled wira dan wirawati.
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Heard on radio they are being labelled wira dan wirawati.
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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Oct 7 2025, 10:35 PM)
Heard on radio they are being labelled wira dan wirawati.
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They called Hamas, boko haram, isis, taliban, Al qaeda, and many other terrorists organizations hero kito.

Not surprised.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 10:58 AM)
Why don’t they discuss peace then?  Then no genocide lor.
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QUOTE(chinti @ Oct 7 2025, 11:01 AM)
puak pro telurlist: peace was never the option bcoz baby killer started it!
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iinm they said peace can only be achieved if wipe the other side out. Sounds like revenge genocide.
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iinm they said peace can only be achieved if wipe the other side out. Sounds like revenge genocide.
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Then they chose this road liao lor. Killed or be killed option, no?
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 7 2025, 11:03 PM)
Then they chose this road liao lor.  Killed or be killed option, no?
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Gaza is not Israel so by right if my boat hit Gaza shore even no port should be non of Israel business … imagine i sail to Singapore then Israel blocked me … if Israel can block sea access outside of their country limit means they can block anywhere in the world ….
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Oct 7 2025, 11:25 PM)
Gaza is not Israel so by right if my boat hit Gaza shore even no port should be non of Israel business … imagine i sail to Singapore then Israel blocked me … if Israel can block sea access outside of their country limit means they can block anywhere in the world ….
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It’s called occupied territories for a reason. Have you forgotten?
In 1947, Arabs rejected statehood and gambled on war and losing more land than they could ever gain.
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It’s called occupied territories for a reason. Have you forgotten?
In 1947, Arabs rejected statehood and gambled on war and losing more land than they could ever gain.
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Not after the 1994 Oslo Accords.
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Falestin supporters were cheering the deaths of oct 7 and say gaza will be idf graveyard

But now since hamas, hezbollah lost badly in the war, they pull genocide card pulak topkek

Like that's gonna make a difference 😉

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iinm they said peace can only be achieved if wipe the other side out. Sounds like revenge genocide.
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Then they chose this road liao lor.  Killed or be killed option, no?
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Oct 7 2025, 11:49 PM)
Not after the 1994 Oslo Accords.
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Then October 7 happened, at first mat Gaza a was jumping for joy, now, not so much. At first they thought they were genocidihg Israelis and Thai farm workers, now they cry about being genocided.
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 8 2025, 12:01 AM)
Falestin supporters were cheering the deaths of oct 7 and say gaza will be idf graveyard

But now since hamas, hezbollah lost badly in the war, they pull genocide card pulak topkek

Like that's gonna make a difference 😉
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That’s why I had consistently said the places is jinxed and peace are never everlasting. The whole region is a hot bed of violence and blood since kingdom comes. Look at how many religious prophets came from that region and you know. Maybe I am too cynical to believe that peace will come one day but hey, I am not wrong so far… not encouraging violence but reality is like this now and at least another foreseeable 3-5 years.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 8 2025, 06:52 AM)
That’s why I had consistently said the places is jinxed and peace are never everlasting.  The whole region is a hot bed of violence and blood since kingdom comes.  Look at how many religious prophets came from that region and you know. Maybe I am too cynical to believe that peace will come one day but hey, I am not wrong so far… not encouraging violence but reality is like this now and at least another foreseeable 3-5 years.
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No, those people there are basically blood thirsty. I had mentioned lot of times, even is Israel been wipe out. These arabs country will start doing civil wars among themselves till last man standing. Currently they look "united" coz of same enemy
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this is another genocide lovers tred... wonder how these ppl look at themselves in the mirror everyday
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1 and 2 can be applied both ways
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Oct 8 2025, 06:52 AM)
That’s why I had consistently said the places is jinxed and peace are never everlasting.  The whole region is a hot bed of violence and blood since kingdom comes.  Look at how many religious prophets came from that region and you know. Maybe I am too cynical to believe that peace will come one day but hey, I am not wrong so far… not encouraging violence but reality is like this now and at least another foreseeable 3-5 years.
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actually it is like that for centuries until Ottoman came and give it some peaces.

The biggest problem to the palestine issue is not Hamas or Israel.

Is, neither party is given the full hand to finish the job once and for all.

Foreign parties are too greedy to maintain their influence there, both parties hand are tied.

If the entire region is controlled by one victor at 1967, do you think we will see all this happen?

Israel is able to accommodate Arab/Palestinian. They already have it now.
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 8 2025, 08:45 AM)
actually it is like that for centuries until Ottoman came and give it some peaces.

The biggest problem to the palestine issue is not Hamas or Israel.

Is, neither party is given the full hand to finish the job once and for all.

Foreign parties are too greedy to maintain their influence there, both parties hand are tied.

If the entire region is controlled by one victor at 1967, do you think we will see all this happen?

Israel is able to accommodate Arab/Palestinian. They already have it now.
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Agree and thanks for providing the historical context to the region. There are never an everlasting peace in that land, as if it is cursed to be bathed in blood, unfortunately.

There is no one else to blame but the people themselves (do NOTE that I mentioned the people themselves and not specifically mentioned P or I, as the region is more than just P or I). They allowed themselves to be used or they abuse their powers/authority over their own people. If there are foreign influences, they can easily reject these with much difficulty (this I can understand cos the oil monies is too much to reject). And then of course, to make things worse, you have religions which are also split into different sects and what-nots. All those are just perfect potpourri of instabilities, political espionage and wars. So in a not surprising way, we can make a simple conclusion that they asked for it and have to live with what they asked for.

What can we do so far away plus not able to speak their languages? They cannot even sit down and AGREE for a peaceful solution even amongst their own tribes, don’t even mention with other countries in the regions. It is like Afghanistan now. Everyone wants to lead and enjoy the fruits of a leader.

That’s the futility of the situation now. I may sound simplistic but that is my view of the situation. Solution? I cannot see any solution as long as the warring parties are not interested to stop the conflict or control their tribes from shooting at each other after they had a tiff with their spouses…🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣



 

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