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TSTsubakiKira
post Aug 27 2025, 02:14 PM, updated 3 months ago

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Man it's been ages since I used lowyat forum, but I need to get this off my chest before my stress spirals over.

TLDR: Got misled by someone impersonating as police, got scammed into buying jewelry and pawning for cash and carrying out third party transfer, and awaiting the results of the police investigation.

Going to break this down into points for easier reading.

1. I got a call in mid-July from a handphone number with a person claiming that my info has been leaked and used to sell fake goods on Shopee, then I was directed to a balai polis Pahang. They claimed that they had some voice recording for purposes of court, and had a video call stating that there was an arrest order for me given by the court. In the same video call, there was a female police officer showing pictures of suspects, asking me if I know anyone of them. This then went up to a Tuan Inspector N**** (which i later checked to be an actual inspector in Pahang) and then subsequently to some a**hole named ACP Dato Fahmi (egoistic soab). They also asked me that I was to be a part of a police investigation in order to prove that my finances are clean. They also asked how much is the max credit given.

They made it very clear as this was under the secrets act, they did not want me to reveal details to anyone, not even my family members.

As they somehow knew that I had a kid, they asked me if I wanted to end up in prison. Given how I was emotionally, I didn't think twice about helping them out, so.....

2. They asked if I could take leave from work, and I did. They then called me, making sure that that I was not within earshot of anyone, and proceeded to tell me to
a) buy jewelry using my credit cards
b) pawn said jewelry
c) transfer to a third party bank account, they issued a document under Bank Negara Malaysia with some details
d) get proof of transfer.

And I stupidly went through all that. This took place again 2 weeks later, they claimed they were in court to assist and everything. They also reassured me that the auditing department will clear them as how it is when we are assisting the government. Yada Yada.....

3. They also asked me to apply for a personal loan, and I got 12k from AEON. Again this is transferred like in No 2.

After I was done with these tasks, there was barely anything which raised my suspicion (only now), and I asked the police near my workplace, they confirmed that it was a scam. Luckily being the recorder that I am, I took a record of all the transactions done, the loan applied, everything and filed a police report last Saturday. I already submitted the records of all the purchases and transfers as requested by the police, and went to all banks involved (credit card and savings account). From what I have heard, as the transaction was genuine, the banks are unable to dispute and I will have to bear the brunt of it one way or another. I can only remain hopeful that the inspector in charge of my case can retrieve most of the cash, but what I have heard was that if it was an online transfer, it can be very difficult. I did get their names and account numbers though.

4. After the whole incident, i called that person (directly, not whatsapp) who used another number to call me 2 weeks ago but truecaller and that is how I came to confirm that it was a scam.

The whole purpose of me writing this is to remind, and to remind myself that sometimes I need to be cynical instead of overly emotional. I'm finding my way to deal with this.

Update: my bank just called me and they told me that they are unable to retrieve the money from the scammers accounts, so the police will have to arrest these people. From what I know, the telephone numbers are prepaid, and bought by foreigners. Fuck I had hope of getting the money to settle the cards.

Update update: police can only issue arrest warrant, up to bank's jurisdiction on whether to give money or no. Yep I'm fucked.

Update*3: getting grilled from my dad about it. Everything just makes me want to puke at this point.

Last update: got some money from my dad, have to repay him back at some point. gonna bear the brunt of the personal loan and the other cc via instalment pay for the next 7 years altogether. get lucky and pay off slowly i guess. if got lump sum settle the other cc before loan.


PSA 1: Double and triple check the numbers using Truecaller. If Truecaller wasn't reliable (like the first round). then always ask for their officer number. Double check with police officers using your IC number if there is anything against you.

PSA 2: Don't let them fool you using your loved ones, like me.

PSA 3: Anything involving third-party transfers is a HUGE RED FLAG OK.

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All I can do is pray that I get to sort this out one way or another. And I still need to call AEON about possibly settling the personal loan earlier. Fuck.

This post has been edited by TsubakiKira: Sep 17 2025, 09:30 AM
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:21 PM

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Have you contacted the National Scam Response Centre (NSRC) at 997 ?
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:24 PM

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haih...stay strong bah...

browse more /k during ur free time...get more awareness there....

this kind of news pops up like every fortnight... even teachers/lawyers/professional still falls into this trap up to 7 figures...



used to get this kind of calls on my mum's phone... but now no more... guess they blacklisted my mum's phone

if im free i will always accept and answer yes , ya , yes , ya and ask them silly question to prolong as long as possible ...
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:25 PM

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Thanks for the PSA and sorry to hear you fell for one of oldest scam tactics around.

My response to these police calls whether genuine or scammer is come and catch me if you have evidence and then hang up the phone.

Tak buat salah takut apa?


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post Aug 27 2025, 02:26 PM

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Just want to say

no cops will ever call u personally if u were really involved in a crime

thy will just show up physically
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(tataunama @ Aug 27 2025, 02:21 PM)
Have you contacted the National Scam Response Centre (NSRC) at 997 ?
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Called them but they did not pickup.
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:27 PM

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Dang. Sorry to hear. Yes alot of ppl get scammed because they leverage on your emotions at that moment.

I previously got scammed by my high school classmate who used to work in bank. He secretly do insider trading for the purpose of scamming people.

I trusted him because back in school he's a genuinely nice guy. Seems like greed changes people.

Anyways I only lost 3k.

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post Aug 27 2025, 02:37 PM

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I would recommend all not to answer any calls not in your contacts.
Have a missed call then check truecaller, then check for whatapps in the truecaller feature.
If a mobile number dont have whatapps, ignore or block.
If the caller ID is no one you know, ignore or block.
It may be fun to pick up and play along, but Scammers are very creative and one day you might be fooled.
Even a recording of your voice can be used by AI for scamming.
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:41 PM

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sorry to hear that TS . stay strong . Hopefully you'll bounce back . A good thing is you have realized and spreading awareness here. Many out there are still oblivious to these scams.
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secret acts....right. this kind of sheet also belips. aiyoma.
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:50 PM

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Any one still need truecaller = waterfish ready to be scammed anytime anywhere.

The only thing that is solif bullet scam proof for every1 = IQ + Logical Sense + Confidence. Nothing else.





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post Aug 27 2025, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(taufoo @ Aug 27 2025, 02:27 PM)
Dang. Sorry to hear. Yes alot of ppl get scammed because they leverage on your emotions at that moment.

I previously got scammed by my high school classmate who used to work in bank. He secretly do insider trading for the purpose of scamming people.

I trusted him because back in school he's a genuinely nice guy. Seems like greed changes people.

Anyways I only lost 3k.
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Lucky for you, I lost 20k+
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(dudester @ Aug 27 2025, 02:37 PM)
I would recommend all not to answer any calls not in your contacts.
Have a missed call then check truecaller, then check for whatapps in the truecaller feature.
If a mobile number dont have whatapps, ignore or block.
If the caller ID is no one you know, ignore or block.
It may be fun to pick up and play along, but Scammers are very creative and one day you might be fooled.
Even a recording of your voice can be used by AI for scamming.
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Learnt this the hard way.
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Aug 27 2025, 02:41 PM)
sorry to hear that TS . stay strong . Hopefully you'll bounce back . A good thing is you have realized and spreading awareness here. Many out there are still oblivious to these scams.
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That is true. I didn't download any funny apps or click on any phishing links, but I still got good.
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post Aug 27 2025, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 27 2025, 02:50 PM)
Any one still need truecaller = waterfish ready to be scammed anytime anywhere.

The only thing that is solif bullet scam proof for every1 = IQ + Logical Sense + Confidence. Nothing else.
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I probably should be more cynical and ask for details all the way. That is my fault.
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post Aug 27 2025, 03:12 PM

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did i read wrong, They (inspector) also asked me to apply for a personal loan and transfer. sound like give money for settlement
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 02:14 PM)
As they somehow knew that I had a kid, they asked me if I wanted to end up in prison. Given how I was emotionally, I didn't think twice about helping them out, so.....

2. They asked if I could take leave from work, and I did. They then called me, making sure that that I was not within earshot of anyone, and proceeded to tell me to
    a) buy jewelry using my credit cards
    b) pawn said jewelry
    c) transfer to a third party bank account, they issued a document under Bank Negara Malaysia with some details
    d) get proof of transfer.
   
    And I stupidly went through all that. This took place again 2 weeks later, they claimed they were in court to assist and everything. They also reassured me that the auditing department will clear them as how it is when we are assisting the government. Yada Yada.....
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you are NOT stupiak la, they played with your emotion to blur/induce panic in you - hence lack of better judgement - I'd go panic at the disco too if they mentioned my kids - that's a parent #1 concern, our kids safety.

i tend to ignore all the calls that are not registered in my contacts, and even if I do answer - i play the quiet game - where I won't say a word until the person that called starts talking first, usually by 5 seconds of silence they just hang up the call .. from there just block/report the number. I mean, if someone called you, means THEY have something to say, the fact they can hang up without a word - they try pancing for victim sweat.gif
and because i'm malaysian, if the caller is chinese/england - i balas in our national language / if caller bahasa then i play cina beng tarak paham or use fancy queen england laugh.gif

thank you tho, for sharing - hopefully things turn out better for you notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 02:54 PM)
Lucky for you, I lost 20k+
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losing 20k and if young can still recover ok la....
not end of the world


those retirees lost over 100k all their retirement lifesavings got no way to recover if kena scammed

work hard and smart, hope they catch the scammers.
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post Aug 27 2025, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Autocountstick @ Aug 27 2025, 03:12 PM)
did i read wrong, They (inspector) also asked me to apply for a personal loan and transfer. sound like give money for settlement
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Again, under the pretext of ensuring finances are clear. Like I said everything went haywire the moment they brought up my family and kid. Fuckers.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 02:58 PM)
I probably should be more cynical and ask for details all the way. That is my fault.
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1. logical. if you cant brain this, why cant ask a 2nd person to help you "clarify" this ?

2. even you dont have any friend who can trust, TRY CHATGPT. give it 30sec, it can fully explain why this is a "very common scam tactic" , and this is FREE consultation.

3. dont have lawyer friend? do you have extra RM500 to spend? 2 hour simple query, cost round this price. for a normal solicitator.. or even criminal lawyer.



You dont have to be HIGH IQ, but if your logical sense still working, you know, how to seek "extra opinion" for clarity.
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Is the first initial call using mobile phone?

If it is then should ignore
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Aug 27 2025, 03:15 PM)
losing 20k and if young can still recover ok la....
not end of the world
those retirees lost over 100k  all their retirement lifesavings got no way to recover if kena scammed

work hard and smart, hope they catch the scammers.
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That is true. Working for the money isn't my worry, it's actually the cards that are due payment next month....because accruing interest.
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post Aug 27 2025, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Aug 27 2025, 03:20 PM)
Is the first initial call using mobile phone?

If it is then should ignore
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The first call was under shopee manager, so I picked up without thinking twice.
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 27 2025, 03:19 PM)
1. logical.  if you cant brain this, why cant ask a 2nd person to help you "clarify" this ?

2. even you dont have any friend who can trust, TRY CHATGPT. give it 30sec, it can fully explain why this is a "very common scam tactic" , and this is FREE consultation.

3. dont have lawyer friend? do you have extra RM500 to spend? 2 hour simple query, cost round this price. for a normal solicitator.. or even criminal lawyer.
You dont have to be HIGH IQ, but if your logical sense still working, you know, how to seek "extra opinion" for clarity.
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post Aug 27 2025, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 27 2025, 03:19 PM)
1. logical.  if you cant brain this, why cant ask a 2nd person to help you "clarify" this ?

2. even you dont have any friend who can trust, TRY CHATGPT. give it 30sec, it can fully explain why this is a "very common scam tactic" , and this is FREE consultation.

3. dont have lawyer friend? do you have extra RM500 to spend? 2 hour simple query, cost round this price. for a normal solicitator.. or even criminal lawyer.
You dont have to be HIGH IQ, but if your logical sense still working, you know, how to seek "extra opinion" for clarity.
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I already said that it was not with clear conscience as they brought up my kid and they warned me to not share with others. I know how stupid it was.

Thanks for making a point.
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Just dont pick up any unknown number, did this for the past decade. If thing is really critical, u will received official letter or the authority will visit u directly

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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 03:31 PM)
I already said that it was not with clear conscience as they brought up my kid and they warned me to not share with others. I know how stupid it was.

Thanks for making a point.
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you logical sense till now still in "sleeping mode"


mark my words.

you future life still in great danger. as you cant process life with "logic"


They already bring up your family and kids, meaning YOU HAVE TO TREAT IT SERIOUSLY.

Meaning seek clarity, Proper help, even help from Professional, also Legal help IS no longer an option, is a MUST


but your logical sense work very different from logic.
You choose to follow the perpetrator order, to please them, and seeking their "protection" for your loved 1



Next time, just PM me. i dont charge.

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QUOTE(ragk @ Aug 27 2025, 03:34 PM)
Just dont pick up any unknown number, did this for the past decade. If thing is really critical, u will received official letter or the authority will visit u directly
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Thanks for the advice, will take note of this in future.
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QUOTE(taufoo @ Aug 27 2025, 02:27 PM)
Dang. Sorry to hear. Yes alot of ppl get scammed because they leverage on your emotions at that moment.

I previously got scammed by my high school classmate who used to work in bank. He secretly do insider trading for the purpose of scamming people.

I trusted him because back in school he's a genuinely nice guy. Seems like greed changes people.

Anyways I only lost 3k.
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i lost 20k to a friend who stayed in same house literally living together in small island with interaction 24/7 7years. businessman n genuine nice also. then he ran away and my money also fly away till now.
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what was the thought process when u hear the part where they want u to buy jewelery then pawn it then transfer to the bank acc?
like what did you think was gonna happen that you need to do that step?

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Last time when we are still using house phone and my mom receive a call telling her my brother have been kidnap and they play a kid voice calling mama for help and they ask her for ransom, luckily i was at home and end the call and go to school to look for my brother and he was at school

I also receive call before from pos office saying there is a parcel under my name and they actually give my correct full name + ic number and inform me they found other people ic in the packages i have send, during that time lucky i dint panic and then think of all these scam and i tell him to let me know he from which post office and i will personal go there and if he at other state i will lodge a polis repot. that fella say because i not co-operative so he will be logging a polis report and i tell him go ahead

Another scam is when receive a call and that somebody will say "hi friend long time no hear from you, how are you" and when you ask back him "who are you" that scammer will say "we friend so long you forget me already?" this scammer is waiting for you to give a name so he can pretend to be your friend and ask to borrow money

There are alot of scam and if you receive a call about anything regarding your self, you need to stay clam 1st don't panic and think too much. If you with your friend then open loud speaker so all people can hear and they might even alert you that this is a scam

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QUOTE(Thebestscammer @ Aug 27 2025, 03:43 PM)
what was the thought process when u hear the part where they want u to buy jewelery then pawn it then transfer to the Bank acc?
like what did you think was gonna happen that you need to do that step?
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They came up with a document with Bank Negara Malaysia logo, the auditors details and some instructions on the necessity of the transaction. I was just stupid okay.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 03:58 PM)
I probably should be more cynical and ask for details all the way. That is my fault.
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even the smartest person can get scammed, like we usually see on the news that some even with professional titles such as doctor, teacher, accountant, engineer, or even a PHD holder kena scam, some can go from 6 figures to 7 figures worth of life savings

take it as an expensive lesson and hopefully the last, be vigilant
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QUOTE(darkwaka @ Aug 27 2025, 03:47 PM)
Last time when we are still using house phone and my mom receive a call telling her my brother have been kidnap and they play a kid voice calling mama for help and they ask her for ransom, luckily i was at home and end the call and go to school to look for my brother and he was at school

I also receive call before from pos office saying there is a parcel under my name and they actually give my correct full name + ic number and inform me they found other people ic in the packages i have send, during that time lucky i dint panic and then think of all these scam and i tell him to let me know he from which post office and i will personal go there and if he at other state i will lodge a polis repot. that fella say because i not co-operative so he will be logging a polis report and i tell him go ahead

Another scam is when receive a call and that somebody will say "hi friend long time no hear from you, how are you" and when you ask back him "who are you" that scammer will say "we friend so long you forget me already?" this scammer is waiting for you to give a name so he can pretend to be your friend and ask to borrow money

There are alot of scam and if you receive a call about anything regarding your self, you need to stay clam 1st don't panic and think too much. If you with your friend then open loud speaker so all people can hear and they might even alert you that this is a scam
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Again, something I will take note in the future. Thank you so much for the advice.

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aduihiiiii, me kene 1k also feel sakit kapla. u 20k+ fuiyohhhhh. stay stonk brotherr. after this must be more carefull.
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QUOTE(hunt3r87 @ Aug 27 2025, 04:10 PM)
aduihiiiii, me kene 1k also feel sakit kapla. u 20k+ fuiyohhhhh. stay stonk brotherr. after this must be more carefull.
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Actually it really is just common sense like what one of the commentators said here.

Apa nak buat, nasi sudah jadi bubur. Hanya boleh doakan outcome of kes tu involve some money coming back to my end. Makes things less painful.
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QUOTE(party @ Aug 27 2025, 03:40 PM)
i lost 20k to a friend who stayed in same house literally living together in small island with interaction 24/7 7years. businessman n genuine nice also. then he ran away and my money also fly away till now.
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anything for greed actually. If it's painful for 20k to a stranger, I can't imagine what it's like for a friend.
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Nvm la. Unker lost 25k+ to genting and online casino!!!!!!
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I had a funny experience with a so called polis officer.

yeah he said the same thing.

then I said to him "fark you"

he reply back, "fark you"...it went on for 1 minute of fark you back and forth.

Damn funny. He threatened to arrest me, I said polis come to house to arrest not via the phone, since when so high tech.

he said he will come to my house to arrest me, and whack me kaw kaw.

I asked him what is my address...he stalled, kantoi hahahaha

then I ask him, your polis boss in Myanmar got feed you well or not? KPI fulfilled? You argue so much with me, sure tonight no dinner

then he shut the call

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QUOTE(skyblack4492 @ Aug 27 2025, 04:59 PM)
Nvm la. Unker lost 25k+ to genting and online casino!!!!!!
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I sometimes imagine I lost 1.7million I never had.


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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 04:06 PM)
Again, something I will take note in the future. Thank you so much for the advice.
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NEVER FEEL THE NEED TO BE URGENT WITH WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING.

IF ANYTHING, ASK FOR REPORT NO. GO BALAI.


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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 02:14 PM)
Man it's been ages since I used lowyat forum, but I need to get this off my chest before my stress spirals over.

TLDR: Got misled by someone impersonating as police, got scammed into buying jewelry and pawning for cash and carrying out third party transfer, and awaiting the results of the police investigation.

Going to break this down into points for easier reading.

1. I got a call in mid-July from a handphone number with a person claiming that my info has been leaked and used to sell fake goods on Shopee, then I was directed to a balai polis Pahang. They claimed that they had some voice recording for purposes of court, and had a video call stating that there was an arrest order for me given by the court. In the same video call, there was a female police officer showing pictures of suspects, asking me if I know anyone of them. This then went up to a Tuan Inspector N**** (which i later checked to be an actual inspector in Pahang) and then subsequently to some a**hole named ACP Dato Fahmi (egoistic soab). They also asked me that I was to be a part of a police investigation in order to prove that my finances are clean. They also asked how much is the max credit given .

They made it very clear as this was under the secrets act, they did not want me to reveal details to anyone, not even my family members.

As they somehow knew that I had a kid, they asked me if I wanted to end up in prison. Given how I was emotionally, I didn't think twice about helping them out, so.....

2. They asked if I could take leave from work, and I did. They then called me, making sure that that I was not within earshot of anyone, and proceeded to tell me to
    a) buy jewelry using my credit cards
    b) pawn said jewelry
    c) transfer to a third party bank account, they issued a document under Bank Negara Malaysia with some details
    d) get proof of transfer.
   
    And I stupidly went through all that. This took place again 2 weeks later, they claimed they were in court to assist and everything. They also reassured me that the auditing department will clear them as how it is when we are assisting the government. Yada Yada.....

3. They also asked me to apply for a personal loan, and I got 12k from AEON. Again this is transferred like in No 2.

After I was done with these tasks, there was barely anything which raised my suspicion (only now), and I asked the police near my workplace, they confirmed that it was a scam. Luckily being the recorder that I am, I took a record of all the transactions done, the loan applied, everything and filed a police report last Saturday. I already submitted the records of all the purchases and transfers as requested by the police, and went to all banks involved (credit card and savings account). From what I have heard, as the transaction was genuine, the banks are unable to dispute and I will have to bear the brunt of it one way or another. I can only remain hopeful that the inspector in charge of my case can retrieve most of the cash, but what I have heard was that if it was an online transfer, it can be very difficult. I did get their names and account numbers though.

4. After the whole incident, i called that person (directly, not whatsapp) who used another number to call me 2 weeks ago but truecaller and that is how I came to confirm that it was a scam.

As no one knows apart from the psychiatrist that I am seeing, and knowing that this could very well be the end of what I have with my partner, I have been mulling over who should I talk to, but that isn't for this.

The whole purpose of me writing this is to remind, and to remind myself that sometimes I need to be cynical instead of overly emotional. I'm finding my way to deal with this,

Update: my bank just called me and they told me that they are unable to retrieve the money from the scammers accounts, so the police will have to arrest these people. From what I know, the telephone numbers are prepaid, and bought by foreigners. Fuck I had hope of getting the money to settle the cards

PSA 1: Double and triple check the numbers using Truecaller. If Truecaller wasn't reliable (like the first round). then always ask for their officer number. Double check with police officers using your IC number if there is anything against you.

PSA 2: Don't let them fool you using your loved ones, like me.

PSA 3: Anything involving third-party transfers is a HUGE RED FLAG OK.

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All I can do is pray that I get to sort this out one way or another. And I still need to call AEON about possibly settling the personal loan earlier. Fuck.
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2. They asked if I could take leave from work, and I did. They then called me, making sure that that I was not within earshot of anyone, and proceeded to tell me to
a) buy jewelry using my credit cards
b) pawn said jewelry
c) transfer to a third party bank account, they issued a document under Bank Negara Malaysia with some details
d) get proof of transfer.


I already submitted the records of all the purchases and transfers as requested by the police, and went to all banks involved (credit card and savings account). From what I have heard, as the transaction was genuine, the banks are unable to dispute and I will have to bear the brunt of it one way or another.

sorry I don't get it...why need to do all this to get the whole transaction to become legit and bank can't take action?

after you pawned the monies, you still directly transferred to those scammer bank accounts.



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I sometimes imagine I lost 1.7million I never had.
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Just dont pick up any unknown number, did this for the past decade. If thing is really critical, u will received official letter or the authority will visit u directly
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This is true. I also almost got scammed by the so-called police who spoke in good local BM. Sounded very authentic. I was very convinced until they led me to a phishing site, and was when I realized its a scam, and proceeded to end the call. After verifying with the local balai police, they said it's a scam tactic which many had fallen into for a couple of years ago. If it's genuine, the police would issue an official letter to your billing address to call you into the police center for questioning face to face. Never through call.

Best way to avoid these scams, is to NEVER pick up random calls. Because once you answered them, they will speak and play with your feelings that you've totally panic and lose logic thinking. The reason I was able to spot the scam was because my company forces us to take phishing training every year, so I was able to pick up on the certain ques that there scammers would use when scamming.
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please talk to your partner about this.

You have bigger problem than the scam if u are unable to divulge this to your life partner.

If your partner choose to give u shit for this he/she is not a good partner.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Aug 27 2025, 06:01 PM)
please talk to your partner about this.

You have bigger problem than the scam if u are unable to divulge this to your life partner.

If your partner choose to give u shit for this he/she is not a good partner.
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That is very true, there are a lot of other things involved as well that we're not been on the same page with and I fear will exacerbate the situation further moving forward with our lives. Going to wait for the bank/polis verdict in a few days before anything further.

Money aside, I actually took leave for these scammers bangwall.gif
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2. They asked if I could take leave from work, and I did. They then called me, making sure that that I was not within earshot of anyone, and proceeded to tell me to
a) buy jewelry using my credit cards
b) pawn said jewelry
c) transfer to a third party bank account, they issued a document under Bank Negara Malaysia with some details
d) get proof of transfer.


I already submitted the records of all the purchases and transfers as requested by the police, and went to all banks involved (credit card and savings account). From what I have heard, as the transaction was genuine, the banks are unable to dispute and I will have to bear the brunt of it one way or another.

sorry I don't get it...why need to do all this to get the whole transaction to become legit and bank can't take action?

after you pawned the monies, you still directly transferred to those scammer bank accounts.
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aku bodoh sebab impulsif dan tak terfikir dalam emosi yang terganggu, good enough?

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aku bodoh sebab impulsif dan tak terfikir dalam emosi yang terganggu, good enough?

I already know I'll get brickbats posting here.
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no, I still don't understand why the scammer made you pawn stuff.

is it to avoid traceability or to raise money for you to pay them 20k ?

I can imagine a policeman asking me to pawn my watch to pay for a traffic fine. Highly unusual.
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no, I still don't understand why the scammer made you pawn stuff.

is it to avoid traceability or to raise money for you to pay them 20k ?

I can imagine a policeman asking me to pawn my watch to pay for a traffic fine. Highly unusual.
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avoid traceability. They are clever enough to delay the process so they can withdraw from the ATM once they got the money instead of asking for another transfer.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 27 2025, 06:42 PM)
no, I still don't understand why the scammer made you pawn stuff.

is it to avoid traceability or to raise money for you to pay them 20k ?

I can imagine a policeman asking me to pawn my watch to pay for a traffic fine. Highly unusual.
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Kasi chan la.

I seen it first hand similar situation. It was 15 years ago. Family friend, auntie age 60+ . Definitely not dumb type as she is tauke of some hardware shop. She received call that started with identifying question. Got her whole family name. Then proceed to tell her "your son will die tonight". She panic mode straight cannot think and follow all the instruction. Scammer asked her to take out all jewelery and tanam somewhere. Luckily the safe deposite box she didnt know how to open. When ask her she staright say damn scared when they said her son dying, after that like auto mode just jalan only.
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20k++. lucky is not rugi outright from savings acc. but regardless am still fcuked depending on the bank and polis verdict on the case.
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Wow that's painful. Stay strong. . Important thing is learn from it.

Some will say we are stupid but frankly it happens to the best of us...one form or another.

All the best.

One thing I like lurking in lowyat forum is its kinda heighten my senses to all this scam.
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Im cynical and not really trusting esp when random ppl calling. last Nov I almost kena by this damn scammers. long story short I spent 1 hour on the line w/ them hooked all the way until they claim that there is a arrest warrant for me. Luckily that triggered me to wake up. And not get scammed.

I even submitted my voice recording to MCMC, to which they investigated and closed within 5 mins.

Stay strong OP, praying that its resolved soon.
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Im cynical and not really trusting esp when random ppl calling. last Nov I almost kena by this damn scammers. long story short I spent 1 hour on the line w/ them hooked all the way until they claim that there is a arrest warrant for me. Luckily that triggered me to wake up. And not get scammed.

I even submitted my voice recording to MCMC, to which they investigated and closed within 5 mins.

Stay strong OP, praying that its resolved soon.
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thanks for the wishes. I also want it to be resolved soon, whatever the outcome is.
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I just imagine some scammer pose as polis, call me and tell me to transfer 1.7m into this mule acc because he said my money is under anti money laundering investigation.

he said if I don't transfer, polis will arrest me and he should me the court order (my imagination).

I then takut and transfer 1.7million.

then I imagine I kena scammed and very angry made polis report but could not do anything else.

I imagine i lost 1.7million

this way, I can feel rich because i lost money I never had.
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But if money not songlap, clean money why sked polis investigate?
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Ts treat it as money gambling lose or bursa saham. Life is short yolo, mostly everyone die at 60 yo

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Ts treat it as money gambling lose or bursa saham. Life is short yolo, mostly everyone die at 60 yo
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this, we all still have a life to live even if scammed. as much damage it has done to your life and so on, there are still ways to earn back the lost money
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Ts treat it as money gambling lose or bursa saham. Life is short yolo, mostly everyone die at 60 yo
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Money lose and earn over time is fine, for me it's not the money. It's the damn credit card companies wanting to you settle the outstanding asap. That's the headache for me.
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Money lose and earn over time is fine, for me it's not the money. It's the damn credit card companies wanting to you settle the outstanding asap. That's the headache for me.
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Borrow from fren and family? Pay credit card by installment?
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Police normally go to your house to get you directly. Not call you. Why people still got these kind of trap?
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Damn bro, i feel your pain. I got scammed once before of 32k. All my savings, gone. Just started work few years and living frugally, eat economy rice everyday, use secondhand car while my colleagues all buy new cars etc, just to give it all to the scammers.

This is the hand u have been dealt with. Take it, learn from your mistakes, take some time to grief and move on. You can also talk to your wife. Lean on her for emotional support.

Once u have moved on, you will remember it, but u wont feel like eurhhhhhhh sakitttttt when u think about it.
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Police normally go to your house to get you directly. Not call you. Why people still got these kind of trap?
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They play the physo game. Once u panicked, they hook u in. Depends on the emotional state of the person also during that call. Many professionals, rich poor young old, type A,B,C all also kena.
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most scammers are based in countries e.g Cambodia, Burma under the protection of corrupted politicians and enforcement agency. Scamming generate billions USD income every year. When comes under pressure, these countries will arrest and deport some low ranking members for a few weeks then back to normal.

Bnm may instruct banks to delay abnormal or unusual money transfer by 24 to 48 hours. But will create inconvenience to most bank customers.

Scammers are unlikely to stop until u.s or prc exercise their military muscle or regime change.


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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 27 2025, 05:03 PM)
I had a funny experience with a so called polis officer.

yeah he said the same thing.

then I said to him "fark you"

he reply back, "fark you"...it went on for 1 minute of fark you back and forth.

Damn funny. He threatened to arrest me, I said polis come to house to arrest not via the phone, since when so high tech.

he said he will come to my house to arrest me, and whack me kaw kaw.

I asked him what is my address...he stalled, kantoi hahahaha

then I ask him, your polis boss in Myanmar got feed you well or not? KPI fulfilled? You argue so much with me, sure tonight no dinner

then he shut the call
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when messing with scam callers, always remember they know your details. you dont know their details.

they can call you middle of every night from different numbers and all as well as do all sort of stuffs.
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They play the physo game. Once u panicked, they hook u in. Depends on the emotional state of the person also during that call. Many professionals, rich poor young old, type A,B,C all also kena.
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all of this. anyways I'm just hoping for the best.

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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 02:14 PM)
Man it's been ages since I used lowyat forum, but I need to get this off my chest before my stress spirals over.

TLDR: Got misled by someone impersonating as police, got scammed into buying jewelry and pawning for cash and carrying out third party transfer, and awaiting the results of the police investigation.

Going to break this down into points for easier reading.

1. I got a call in mid-July from a handphone number with a person claiming that my info has been leaked and used to sell fake goods on Shopee, then I was directed to a balai polis Pahang. They claimed that they had some voice recording for purposes of court, and had a video call stating that there was an arrest order for me given by the court. In the same video call, there was a female police officer showing pictures of suspects, asking me if I know anyone of them. This then went up to a Tuan Inspector N**** (which i later checked to be an actual inspector in Pahang) and then subsequently to some a**hole named ACP Dato Fahmi (egoistic soab). They also asked me that I was to be a part of a police investigation in order to prove that my finances are clean. They also asked how much is the max credit given .

They made it very clear as this was under the secrets act, they did not want me to reveal details to anyone, not even my family members.

As they somehow knew that I had a kid, they asked me if I wanted to end up in prison. Given how I was emotionally, I didn't think twice about helping them out, so.....

2. They asked if I could take leave from work, and I did. They then called me, making sure that that I was not within earshot of anyone, and proceeded to tell me to
    a) buy jewelry using my credit cards
    b) pawn said jewelry
    c) transfer to a third party bank account, they issued a document under Bank Negara Malaysia with some details
    d) get proof of transfer.
   
    And I stupidly went through all that. This took place again 2 weeks later, they claimed they were in court to assist and everything. They also reassured me that the auditing department will clear them as how it is when we are assisting the government. Yada Yada.....

3. They also asked me to apply for a personal loan, and I got 12k from AEON. Again this is transferred like in No 2.

After I was done with these tasks, there was barely anything which raised my suspicion (only now), and I asked the police near my workplace, they confirmed that it was a scam. Luckily being the recorder that I am, I took a record of all the transactions done, the loan applied, everything and filed a police report last Saturday. I already submitted the records of all the purchases and transfers as requested by the police, and went to all banks involved (credit card and savings account). From what I have heard, as the transaction was genuine, the banks are unable to dispute and I will have to bear the brunt of it one way or another. I can only remain hopeful that the inspector in charge of my case can retrieve most of the cash, but what I have heard was that if it was an online transfer, it can be very difficult. I did get their names and account numbers though.

4. After the whole incident, i called that person (directly, not whatsapp) who used another number to call me 2 weeks ago but truecaller and that is how I came to confirm that it was a scam.

As no one knows apart from the psychiatrist that I am seeing, and knowing that this could very well be the end of what I have with my partner, I have been mulling over who should I talk to, but that isn't for this.

The whole purpose of me writing this is to remind, and to remind myself that sometimes I need to be cynical instead of overly emotional. I'm finding my way to deal with this,

Update: my bank just called me and they told me that they are unable to retrieve the money from the scammers accounts, so the police will have to arrest these people. From what I know, the telephone numbers are prepaid, and bought by foreigners. Fuck I had hope of getting the money to settle the cards

PSA 1: Double and triple check the numbers using Truecaller. If Truecaller wasn't reliable (like the first round). then always ask for their officer number. Double check with police officers using your IC number if there is anything against you.

PSA 2: Don't let them fool you using your loved ones, like me.

PSA 3: Anything involving third-party transfers is a HUGE RED FLAG OK.

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All I can do is pray that I get to sort this out one way or another. And I still need to call AEON about possibly settling the personal loan earlier. Fuck.
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Sorry to heard that, I too faced a similar story, when I was expecting my new TV from LG, the deliveryman will come and contact.
Mana tahu, get scam called and wasted my hour when I noticed the situation moved too fast.


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Thats what I always think, until I got the call and almost kena...

never say never. stay vigilant
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Aug 28 2025, 02:45 AM)
Damn bro, i feel your pain. I got scammed once before of 32k. All my savings, gone. Just started work few years and living frugally, eat economy rice everyday, use secondhand car while my colleagues all buy new cars etc, just to give it all to the scammers.

This is the hand u have been dealt with. Take it, learn from your mistakes, take some time to grief and move on. You can also talk to your wife. Lean on her for emotional support.

Once u have moved on, you will remember it, but u wont feel like eurhhhhhhh sakitttttt when u think about it.
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shit bro, this is why i damn paranoid with the rate of how much scams cases are rising. everyone is damn desperate in trying to earn more due to rising cost of living so they are getting more easy to prey on

its not the end of the world, but the feeling really sucks. last time i only kena skem on buying a phone, wasnt huge amount (<1k) but fuck i feel like i want to vomit just rethinking about it
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 28 2025, 11:12 AM)
shit bro, this is why i damn paranoid with the rate of how much scams cases are rising. everyone is damn desperate in trying to earn more due to rising cost of living so they are getting more easy to prey on

its not the end of the world, but the feeling really sucks. last time i only kena skem on buying a phone, wasnt huge amount (<1k) but fuck i feel like i want to vomit just rethinking about it
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For me it wasn't even about earning. Scammer mentioned my kid and used that to blackmail me. Didn't help me emotionally. Credit card companies can only say the transactions are valid so I have to tanggung lah. Wishing that my saving account got back something, but they told me they already withdrew the money. Just praying for some goodwill amount that will help.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 28 2025, 11:23 AM)
For me it wasn't even about earning. Scammer mentioned my kid and used that to blackmail me. Didn't help me emotionally. Credit card companies can only say the transactions are valid so I have to tanggung lah. Wishing that my saving account got back something, but they told me they already withdrew the money. Just praying for some goodwill amount that will help.
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yeah this is another of my fears, confirm will fucking panic, its like imagine if you get a call one day and was told one of your family members got kidnapped, give RM10mil ransom or else.. you dont feel safe already when people threaten you this way. its a whole diff level kind of fear struck into you

but the main gist ive taken from your case is to always be calm, dont rush to react and think it thoroughly before doing anything. especially when it involves money
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Borrow from fren and family? Pay credit card by installment?
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Considering. Want to borrow from family isn't the issue, it's how to payback in long term. My own family also got lots of commitments, barely saving enough. Sucks to feel this way.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 28 2025, 11:29 AM)
yeah this is another of my fears, confirm will fucking panic, its like imagine if you get a call one day and was told one of your family members got kidnapped, give RM10mil ransom or else.. you dont feel safe already when people threaten you this way. its a whole diff level kind of fear struck into you

but the main gist ive taken from your case is to always be calm, dont rush to react and think it thoroughly before doing anything. especially when it involves money
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Exactly this, all logic goes out the window. Have to remind myself to calm down the next time this shit happens. Still feeling very stupid a bout it.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 28 2025, 11:40 AM)
Exactly this, all logic goes out the window. Have to remind myself to calm down the next time this shit happens. Still feeling very stupid a bout it.
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this is normal, your brain will always remind you of stupid shit that youve done in the past. can be something minor like failing an exam which makes you feel dumb

but ultimately rice is porridge ed, so best to do is to continue living and move on. if there was a button to go back in time heck i would SMASH it to go back in time to undo my stupidity
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 28 2025, 11:50 AM)
this is normal, your brain will always remind you of stupid shit that youve done in the past. can be something minor like failing an exam which makes you feel dumb

but ultimately rice is porridge ed, so best to do is to continue living and move on. if there was a button to go back in time heck i would SMASH it to go back in time to undo my stupidity
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smash until it breaks, I tell ya. Am starting to get annoyed at work because there are people rich enough to throw 20k as loose change, but will treat the staff like shit just the same.
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Kasi chan la.

I seen it first hand similar situation. It was 15 years ago. Family friend, auntie age 60+ . Definitely not dumb type as she is tauke of some hardware shop. She received call that started with identifying question. Got her whole family name. Then proceed to tell her "your son will die tonight". She panic mode straight cannot think and follow all the instruction. Scammer asked her to take out all jewelery and tanam somewhere. Luckily the safe deposite box she didnt know how to open. When ask her she staright say damn scared when they said her son dying, after that like auto mode just jalan only.
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but she transfer money to mule account

why need to do all those pawning to raise cash for ?

just say no money lah...

polis so good in money collection meh? if like this, I got debt issue, ask them help to chase..where got polis so good one
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you don't get it that is not the point

I always think I am poor, but I make myself feel rich by thinking I have 1.7mil but it was scammed

the money I never had..
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Yes it is a dumb mistake but stay strong. Your family needs you. You will recover from this.
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Sorry to hear about your loss ts. I am not going to say why fell for obvious scam as honestly it can happen to anyone if not careful.

The scammers can also be using a form of hypnosim using their voice. When I was a kid, there used to be cases where strangers would approach you stare at you or throw powder to pukau.

One of.my mother's friend own a clothes shop. Kena before where scammed pretend to buy then try & hypnotised her. She keep on chanting praver verses & when managed to break the spell. The scammer terus walk out.

Those wondeing why ts fell for the scam. I personally believe it's part hypnosis & part fear using the family as a threat.

So best to just hang up when the minute you realise the call is a scam. Don't play along & give scammers chance to work on you.

Stay strong ts & keep your spirits up.


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It is not about being stupid. It was them planting the fear in you! Because generally, normal human will freak out when it comes to involvement of police and court! And the fear mongering by the public over unfairness of the court process whenever the verdict is not in favour of them. Giving the idea, oh you are nobody, you are screwed.

My granduncle who is always alert/smart about anything to do with money nearly got scammed during COVID19 time. He was lucky, I was there to stop him (because he was acting suspicious/unusual, my granduncle who is a very old school person, refused to use a handphone and out of sudden asking me how much does a handphone cost! shocking.gif ans he pushed me away when someone called his homeline). Well thanks to LYN for kept on posting about the modus operandi. My granduncle really takut I tell ya!

They planted fear in you because most people do not know the police process or even court process. Yes you can get caught something you have never done, but if you have proof, why scared? Police can just confiscate your phone and found nothing linking you to the criminal activity. They have forensic unit to do that.

The only thing you can tell yourself from now on is, if you have never done anything wrong, what is the need to be scared? That should safe you from being manipulated in the future.

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QUOTE(arkasi @ Aug 28 2025, 08:48 PM)
Sorry to hear about your loss ts. I am not going to say why fell for obvious scam as honestly it can happen to anyone if not careful.

The scammers can also be using a form of hypnosim using their voice. When I was a kid, there used to be cases where strangers would approach you stare at you or throw powder to pukau.

One of.my mother's friend own a clothes shop. Kena before where scammed pretend to buy then try & hypnotised her. She keep on chanting praver verses & when managed to break the spell. The scammer terus walk out.

Those wondeing why ts fell for the scam. I personally believe it's part hypnosis & part fear using the family as a threat.

So best to just hang up when the minute you realise the call is a scam. Don't play along & give scammers chance to work on you.

Stay strong ts & keep your spirits up.
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Yes it is a dumb mistake but stay strong. Your family needs you. You will recover from this.
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My mind is racing every time I think about it, what can I possibly do to get myself back on track? Seeing my kid laughing everyday, asking me to play with her. Partner being loving without realising that I did such a horrible thing to them. The guilt of having done this is overwhelming. We were just getting somewhere.
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QUOTE(Sha91 @ Aug 28 2025, 11:01 PM)
It is not about being stupid. It was them planting the fear in you! Because generally, normal human will freak out when it comes to involvement of police and court! And the fear mongering by the public over unfairness of the court process whenever the verdict is not in favour of them. Giving the idea, oh you are nobody, you are screwed.

My granduncle who is always alert/smart about anything to do with money nearly got scammed during COVID19 time. He was lucky, I was there to stop him (because he was acting suspicious/unusual, my granduncle who is a very old school person, refused to use a handphone and out of sudden asking me how much does a handphone cost! shocking.gif  ans he pushed me away when someone called his homeline). Well thanks to LYN for kept on posting about the modus operandi. My granduncle really takut I tell ya!

They planted fear in you because most people do not know the police process or even court process. Yes you can get caught something you have never done, but if you have proof, why scared? Police can just confiscate your phone and found nothing linking you to the criminal activity. They have forensic unit to do that.

The only thing you can tell yourself from now on is, if you have never done anything wrong, what is the need to be scared? That should safe you from being manipulated in the future.
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Right, should have realized. This whole thing just dialed my numbness in life to 11. It's not about resolving the issue that's bothering me right now, it's the repercussion of lying that I'm trying to avoid. Sigh.
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I mean bro what's your IQ? How are you adulting if you fall for this shit. So irresponsible!!
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 29 2025, 06:24 AM)
My mind is racing every time I think about it, what can I possibly do to get myself back on track? Seeing my kid laughing everyday, asking me to play with her. Partner being loving without realising that I did such a horrible thing to them. The guilt of having done this is overwhelming. We were just getting somewhere.
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Harden your mindset and take it is an expensive life lesson. Everyone has a prime fatal weakness and the scammer successfully used that on you (in which I presumed is your family).

Money can be earned back with time.

It is a difficult journey at first because of debts. Talk with genuine debt management programs like AKPK, to avoid getting bankrupt. It is tough to get a good job if you are a bankrupt.

Think positive and do it for your family. Some people needs more motivation than others, but try to self motivate.

Forget about those posts scolding and berating you, they had not experienced their worst time yet.


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QUOTE(ykj @ Aug 29 2025, 07:38 AM)
Harden your mindset and take it is an expensive life lesson. Everyone has a prime fatal weakness and the scammer successfully used that on you (in which I presumed is your family).

Money can be earned back with time.

It is a difficult journey at first because of debts. Talk with genuine debt management programs like AKPK, to avoid getting bankrupt. It is tough to get a good job if you are a bankrupt.

Think positive and do it for your family. Some people needs more motivation than others, but try to self motivate.

Forget about those posts scolding and berating you, they had not experienced their worst time yet.
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I have no problem earning back the money, or even the years it will take to do so. My only hope is that I am somehow able to maintain this for a few years, while raising a kid and expecting another without it compromising too much on my finances and family.

God I think i'm going to go back to copium at this rate, there's a reason I didn't dwell here too long, plenty of youngsters thinking they know best until something happens and it doesn't even have to be a scam.

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A few weeks back, was driving alone to somewhere when got a call from a mobile. Answered it and was some dude claiming from an agency and my phone probably was hacked and sent out racist messages and they will need to terminate my line.

I already knew it’s gotta be a scam but I enetertained because haven’t arrived at destination. Once arrived, I said Bye , Gotta Go. That scammer said if I hang up now they will bar my line in 15 minutes. Haha! I’m still here , suckers! And using same number.
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QUOTE(kiddokitt @ Aug 29 2025, 08:17 AM)
A few weeks back, was driving alone to somewhere when got a call from a mobile. Answered it and was some dude claiming from an agency and my phone probably was hacked and sent out racist messages and they will need to terminate my line.

I already knew it’s gotta be a scam but I enetertained because haven’t arrived at destination. Once arrived, I said Bye , Gotta Go. That scammer said if I hang up now they will bar my line in 15 minutes. Haha! I’m still here , suckers! And using same number.
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i saw a video.. scammer asking for cc details, then she plays a fake car accident sound, sound very serious... she asks scammer. did you hear it, car accident...

scammer says, yes, but all will be ok. can i have your cc details pls biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

can try this next time https://open.spotify.com/track/16i7pVNTAzk5...76cde66f0974879 - car crash sound

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Scammers are good at mind games. In a moment of weakness we will fall prey to fear, greed, kindness, lust.
Lessons learnt, we have to move on.
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Scammers are good at mind games. In a moment of weakness we will fall prey to fear, greed, kindness, lust.
Lessons learnt, we have to move on.
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yep ,what else am i gonna do at this point.
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yep ,what else am i gonna do at this point.
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It will linger in your head for awhile, you wont forget it.
Tell yourself lesson learnt, is ok. Money always can find back. And everytime you gain some money, take it as recovery and cancel off your misfortune.
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That is true. Working for the money isn't my worry, it's actually the cards that are due payment next month....because accruing interest.
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GO to the bank, tell them your problem, show them the reports, and cancel the card. Go into a repayment deal, do NOT let the bank hit you with 18% late payment charges, thos are ah long rate..
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ALso, just wanna put this here.

If you're young, starting your career etc... 20k might seem the world to you and losing that will hurt alot. Totally understand and I have been there.

But, give it time, by the time you're an old fag like me, you will look back to that amount of moneyand smile thinking it was a good lesson and not worry about it much.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Aug 29 2025, 10:55 AM)
GO to the bank, tell them your problem, show them the reports, and cancel the card. Go into a repayment deal, do NOT let the bank hit you with 18% late payment charges, thos are ah long rate..
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did that for all the affected banks including my savings, already cancelled the cards even though I authorized the transactions. am trying to restructure for this other card but they can't even amend my details correctly ffs.
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Money lose and earn over time is fine, for me it's not the money. It's the damn credit card companies wanting to you settle the outstanding asap. That's the headache for me.
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For credit card issue, you can try approach AKPK. They will mediate with the bank on your behalf and get rates/ period that bank will never give to individual.
Work out a payment plan with them that won't burden you, the repayment period might be long but you will be able to manage month by month.
You won't be able to use any CC for a period though so keep that in mind.

On the flip side, think of this experience as a RM 20K+ tuition. You definitely won't make the same mistake again.
If it helps, be grateful it is "just" RM 20K+, not RM 200K life savings like some retiree kene. Best of luck to you.
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QUOTE(fusionlance @ Aug 29 2025, 02:30 PM)
For credit card issue, you can try approach AKPK. They will mediate with the bank on your behalf and get rates/ period that bank will never give to individual.
Work out a payment plan with them that won't burden you, the repayment period might be long but you will be able to manage month by month.
You won't be able to use any CC for a period though so keep that in mind.

On the flip side, think of this experience as a RM 20K+ tuition. You definitely won't make the same mistake again.
If it helps, be grateful it is "just" RM 20K+, not RM 200K life savings like some retiree kene. Best of luck to you.
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Thank you for the advice, I will try to drop akpk a call later.
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Hi TS, sorry to hear your loss. Mistakes were made and you're owning it, so credit where it is due, you have my respect. It's not easy at all to come forward to the public to share your situation, as you already experienced first-hand: many are quick to get on their high horse.

I see you're doing quite ok handling the "higher-ups" so keep it up, no pun intended biggrin.gif

My personal story: I was a victim to a family who got scammed by a "friend" till bankruptcy (I had to help, which meant shouldering some debt). Compared to your story, I'd say you're doing very well on:
1) your intentions - you were desperate to protect your family where you thought they were possibly in danger. You weren't greedy.
2) your accountability - you're not afraid to admit your mistake despite knowing you'd get laughed by the public. It's okay to hide from your partner for now: not all truths need to be told immediately; there's a time and place for certain truths. That said, hiding this from your partner means you must be able to handle it without affecting your family at all. They must know if you would end up troubling them in any way.

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To those confident and smart people: good luck in your life and may your judgement never be clouded.

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Sad to say this but almost zero chances. Enforcement here is very lax unless Ur someone of influence . The police will always say they will update U untill U just give up asking and the banks will keep pushing the ball to police thats why scammers are so widespread here
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QUOTE(pej425 @ Aug 30 2025, 06:10 AM)
Sad to say this but almost zero chances. Enforcement here is very lax unless Ur someone of influence . The police will always say they will update U untill U just give up asking and the banks will keep pushing the ball to police thats why scammers are so widespread here
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Yeah, the police are very unhelpful. I don't want to discount the banks just yet, but they all want me to restructure my payment just so that I can pay them so yeah....
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QUOTE(Takudan @ Aug 30 2025, 01:49 AM)
Hi TS, sorry to hear your loss. Mistakes were made and you're owning it, so credit where it is due, you have my respect. It's not easy at all to come forward to the public to share your situation, as you already experienced first-hand: many are quick to get on their high horse.

I see you're doing quite ok handling the "higher-ups" so keep it up, no pun intended biggrin.gif

My personal story: I was a victim to a family who got scammed by a "friend" till bankruptcy (I had to help, which meant shouldering some debt). Compared to your story, I'd say you're doing very well on:
1) your intentions - you were desperate to protect your family where you thought they were possibly in danger. You weren't greedy.
2) your accountability - you're not afraid to admit your mistake despite knowing you'd get laughed by the public. It's okay to hide from your partner for now: not all truths need to be told immediately; there's a time and place for certain truths. That said, hiding this from your partner means you must be able to handle it without affecting your family at all. They must know if you would end up troubling them in any way.

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To those confident and smart people: good luck in your life and may your judgement never be clouded.
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I'm already troubled enough as is without this damn scam, so they didn't notice a thing. Still upsetting though.

Thanks a lot man.

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Aug 29 2025, 10:59 AM)
ALso, just wanna put this here.

If you're young, starting your career etc... 20k might seem the world to you and losing that will hurt alot. Totally understand and I have been there.

But, give it time, by the time you're an old fag like me, you will look back to that amount of moneyand smile thinking it was a good lesson and not worry about it much.
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I work only as front desk, apa career haha. Bodoh bangang, can't move myself up the career ladder because of old world mentalities around. Filthy rich but won't even spare advance pay.
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QUOTE(fusionlance @ Aug 29 2025, 02:30 PM)
For credit card issue, you can try approach AKPK. They will mediate with the bank on your behalf and get rates/ period that bank will never give to individual.
Work out a payment plan with them that won't burden you, the repayment period might be long but you will be able to manage month by month.
You won't be able to use any CC for a period though so keep that in mind.

On the flip side, think of this experience as a RM 20K+ tuition. You definitely won't make the same mistake again.
If it helps, be grateful it is "just" RM 20K+, not RM 200K life savings like some retiree kene. Best of luck to you.
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Not even one cc? I'm asking as I have one main CC that I use on a daily basis. That card was largely unaffected and we plan to put on restructuring anyway as there were large expenses on that card
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 28 2025, 02:25 PM)
but she transfer money to mule account

why need to do all those pawning to raise cash for ?

just say no money lah...

polis so good in money collection meh? if like this, I got debt issue, ask them help to chase..where got polis so good one
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In a calm, ideal mind yes of course its not logical.

But there will be certain momentary lapse of judgement, certain trigger points that makes the best of us make wrong decisions, use of certain words and tone that skipped our suspicion and logical decision making.

So the best we can do is to keep reminding ourself and our loved ones about all these scams at least weekly basis. To reinforce and keep a clear logical mind.
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In a calm, ideal mind yes of course its not logical.

But there will be certain momentary lapse of judgement, certain trigger points that makes the best of us make wrong decisions, use of certain words and tone that skipped our suspicion and logical decision making.

So the best we can do is to keep reminding ourself and our loved ones about all these scams at least weekly basis. To reinforce and keep a clear logical mind.
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Yes, the one thing we should know how to do is to walk out of a deal when we sense something not right

for eg, when we sense internal control or lapse in SOP.

But it would really help if we have solid Anti laws on Scams as well as Banks make quick decisions to freeze transactions.

I find our banks lacking in this area, in comparison to Singapore banks. I read so many news that Spore banks managed to stop potential scams from happening.

As for our laws, its disappointing to see opposition everyday talk about RnR issues, but issues that cover all races are not debated at all. For eg, laws that persecute more scam artists and prevent it from happening. But there are some MPs that talk about having a language addition to the IC card or another MP quick to criticize another MP for wearing a round neck in parliament. So a lot of time is wasted, little push for Madani to make more pertinent laws to make the nation great.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 30 2025, 08:14 AM)
Yes, the one thing we should know how to do is to walk out of a deal when we sense something not right

for eg, when we sense internal control or lapse in SOP.

But it would really help if we have solid Anti laws on Scams as well as Banks make quick decisions to freeze transactions.

I find our banks lacking in this area, in comparison to Singapore banks. I read so many news that Spore banks managed to stop potential scams from happening.

As for our laws, its disappointing to see opposition everyday talk about RnR issues, but issues that cover all races are not debated at all. For eg, laws that persecute more scam artists and prevent it from happening. But there are some MPs that talk about having a language addition to the IC card or another MP quick to criticize another MP for wearing a round neck in parliament. So a lot of time is wasted, little push for Madani to make more pertinent laws to make the nation great.
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Yes agree, another way is to always consult more ppl around us for opinion even /k. instead of acting alone and being isolated by these scammers. No harm to consult, consult consult.

Agree on the Banks part. Try these banks wanna recall their money paid by their error and see. Find u, lock your account, etc etc. But when comes to scam, kenot help lah, dunno lah. BNM needs to enforce some liability to these banks.


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Yes agree, another way is to always consult more ppl around us for opinion even /k. instead of acting alone and being isolated by these scammers. No harm to consult, consult consult.

Agree on the Banks part. Try these banks wanna recall their money paid by their error and see. Find u, lock your account, etc etc. But when comes to scam, kenot help lah, dunno lah. BNM needs to enforce some liability to these banks.
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A lot of people who kena scam are usually older people with lots of retirement savings.

some of them are not married, single. By the time you reach 60yo and over, you don't really have much friends.

then there are some who are younger, tend to make decisions without consulting, maybe its due to pride. For eg, I have a colleague who took early retirement in 40s, he told us that he had big investment plans, he is making a lot of money, no need to work anymore. He even claim to want to teach us how to make more money on stocks, crypto and forex, passive income - no need to work anymore. Mana tau, he lost all his money in scam investments then landed up in govt hospital after kena stress stroke due to loss of money.
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I sometimes pickup all these random call. Then put the phone aside and do my usual stuff including talking, walking, watching movie. The caller will hello, hello, , hello, sometimes I get a few knnccb but it is satisfying as hell.

I doubt you will get back any money back. Just take this as a lesson and move on.
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Yeah, the police are very unhelpful. I don't want to discount the banks just yet, but they all want me to restructure my payment just so that I can pay them so yeah....
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you also need to remember one thing. the police's job is to investigate crimes and catch criminals

in a scam case however, they have no way at all to do any of this considering its all related to bank transactions and digitally. the most they can pin the crime onto are onto the "owners" of the bank accounts you have banked in to

in reality thats where their jurisdiction ends cause they have no resources at all to combat these level of crime
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 30 2025, 04:15 PM)
you also need to remember one thing. the police's job is to investigate crimes and catch criminals

in a scam case however, they have no way at all to do any of this considering its all related to bank transactions and digitally. the most they can pin the crime onto are onto the "owners" of the bank accounts you have banked in to

in reality thats where their jurisdiction ends cause they have no resources at all to combat these level of crime
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I don't fault them, they can only do so much. But at least with the police report in hand, something can be done.
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Reading post number 1 on the first line already can guess that this is a scam.

This kind of scam is so famous that local news already highlights so many times.

The moment your call being transferred to police officer, that's a scam.

They are using the basic tactic of scam all the time. They just spin a little bit and people always took the bait.



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QUOTE(xpole @ Aug 30 2025, 05:48 PM)
Reading post number 1 on the first line already can guess that this is a scam.

This kind of scam is so famous that local news already highlights so many times.

The moment your call transfer to police officer, that's a scam.

They are using the basic tactic of scam all the time. They just spin a little bit and people always took the bait.

For myself, being chronically online on Reddit and Forum Lowyat helps me a lot.
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too bad for me i touch grass too much haha.
After everything said and done, I just hope for the best. Nothing else.

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Normal lah don't be too hard on yourself. You are very brave to share your experience. Unker myself also kena scam by snake oils salesppl play on unkers emotion many times in the past.

Even ppl who read these cases say they will never fall haven't been tested. In the heat of moment we no longer act rationally.
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Normal lah don't be too hard on yourself. You are very brave to share your experience. Unker myself also kena scam by snake oils salesppl play on unkers emotion many times in the past.

Even ppl who read these cases say they will never fall haven't been tested. In the heat of moment we no longer act rationally.
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what's done is done, just have to service the debt from this. can't say i wished i turn back time, although I do with other people just slapped the phone off my hand to wake me up at the time.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 30 2025, 08:50 PM)
what's done is done, just have to service the debt from this. can't say i wished i turn back time, although I do with other people just slapped the phone off my hand to wake me up at the time.
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Read more. It has been shared extensively on media, news etc on scammer MO. Hope you will never face anything like this again
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i was once naive and believe our police force is remotely useful, there are times when i got scammed, assaulted, I would lodge a report, request for footages and hope the authorities take actions, but nah, they are bunch of crooks who peddle your data to syndicate just so you could be continually milked for more;

case in point, reported a case being harassed by loan shark due to a family member's alleged debts, the next day receiving a call from random number, claiming that the debt has been taken over by new "ah long agency" and offering discount to settle lump sum.

the unique name identifier, number, debt amounts, were only disclosed to the popo, and funnily it was repeated to me by another third party,
you tell me, how corrupted the system is? we literally have no one else we could trust.

TS, sorry for your loss, and dont even trust police/or any useless authorities could help you retrieve the funds, your money is as good as gone, keep your chin up and move on, the more you push, the more scams you will attract, cuz they know your weakness now, and your data/credentials is going to be sold and resold, another scam will come and haunt you soon
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Don't believe any call and if need further action make sure meet face2face.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 30 2025, 07:37 AM)
Not even one cc? I'm asking as I have one main CC that I use on a daily basis. That card was largely unaffected and we plan to put on restructuring anyway as there were large expenses on that card
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I'm not sure what will happen to existing card/ ongoing payment but essentially all credit facilities are off limits.
That means during your repayment term, you will not be able to apply for new loan (housing/ personal, new CC etc...)
As it reflects on you CCRIS, it will to an extend impact your credit score (records are updated every month, kept 12 months - not permanent)

Having said that, AKPK is a one off. You can only enrol in their debt management programme once in your lifetime.
Most ppl use it when no choice like going to bankrupt. I'm not sure if there is a minimum amount to qualify but I'm aware of a case involving 40K.

There is no limit for consultation, I would highly recommend you talk to them.
Note down all the questions -before- you approach them so you won't forget.

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Been running on autopilot the last few days, first payment for the stupid personal loan is due tomorrow. Seriously contemplating asking my parents but idk I'm just numb about anything and everything right now.
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QUOTE(fusionlance @ Aug 31 2025, 06:03 PM)
I'm not sure what will happen to existing card/ ongoing payment but essentially all credit facilities are off limits.
That means during your repayment term, you will not be able to apply for new loan (housing/ personal, new CC etc...)
As it reflects on you CCRIS, it will to an extend impact your credit score (records are updated every month, kept 12 months - not permanent)

Having said that, AKPK is a one off. You can only enrol in their debt management programme once in your lifetime.
Most ppl use it when no choice like going to bankrupt. I'm not sure if there is a minimum amount to qualify but I'm aware of a case involving 40K.

There is no limit for consultation, I would highly recommend you talk to them.
Note down all the questions -before- you approach them so you won't forget.
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Thanks, still gonna consider that.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 28 2025, 06:16 AM)
most scammers are based in countries e.g Cambodia, Burma under the protection of corrupted politicians and enforcement agency. Scamming generate billions USD income every year. When comes under pressure, these countries will arrest and deport some low ranking members for a few weeks then back to normal.

Bnm may instruct banks to delay abnormal or unusual money transfer by 24 to 48 hours. But will create inconvenience to most bank customers.

Scammers are unlikely to stop until u.s or prc exercise their military muscle or regime change.
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Correct,
Without protection from the government including politicians and law enforcement,
scammer groups are powerless.
Legal authorities have the full access to telecom networks, directly or indirectly,
so there's no reason scammers should be able to avoid capture and punishment
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 27 2025, 11:04 PM)
Money lose and earn over time is fine, for me it's not the money. It's the damn credit card companies wanting to you settle the outstanding asap. That's the headache for me.
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there are many bank offering 0% balance transfer & cash out from credit card currently
you may utilize it to pay the bank in installments without interest charged

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QUOTE(theozis @ Sep 2 2025, 08:47 PM)
there are many bank offering 0% balance transfer & cash out from credit card currently
you may utilize it to pay the bank in installments without interest charged
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using bank to pay bank is some big brain move, i gotta give it that. Unfortunately I don't have more cc doh.gif
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QUOTE(theozis @ Sep 2 2025, 08:47 PM)
there are many bank offering 0% balance transfer & cash out from credit card currently
you may utilize it to pay the bank in installments without interest charged
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using bank to pay bank is some big brain move, i gotta give it that. Unfortunately I don't have more cc doh.gif
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QUOTE(theozis @ Sep 2 2025, 08:43 PM)
Correct,
Without protection from the government including politicians and law enforcement,
scammer groups are powerless.
Legal authorities have the full access to telecom networks, directly or indirectly,
so there's no reason scammers should be able to avoid capture and punishment
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this is just never going to end, to be honest. lots of syndicates buy prepaid numbers under foreigner passports, then sell to locals and whoever that wants a burner number. some even buy with fake IC (used to be much worse before)
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QUOTE(benzxzx @ Aug 31 2025, 05:23 PM)
i was once naive and believe our police force is remotely useful, there are times when i got scammed, assaulted, I would lodge a report, request for footages and hope the authorities take actions, but nah, they are bunch of crooks who peddle your data to syndicate just so you could be continually milked for more;

case in point, reported a case being harassed by loan shark due to a family member's alleged debts, the next day receiving a call from random number, claiming that the debt has been taken over by new "ah long agency" and offering discount to settle lump sum.

the unique name identifier, number, debt amounts, were only disclosed to the popo, and funnily it was repeated to me by another third party,
you tell me, how corrupted the system is? we literally have no one else we could trust.

TS, sorry for your loss, and dont even trust police/or any useless authorities could help you retrieve the funds, your money is as good as gone, keep your chin up and move on, the more you push, the more scams you will attract, cuz they know your weakness now, and your data/credentials is going to be sold and resold, another scam will come and haunt you soon
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inspector said very surely that they can only issue arrest warrant. anything else related to money is up to the bank. I want some goodwill money from them but I doubt I will get anything from it.
with cc payment due 7th and 11th respectively, racking up my brain on how should i solve it. ask from parents and repay with whatever maybank give, plus work twice as hard to settle the outstanding personal loan in one go or how?

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Stay strong,it is just a lesson,money is not very important actually.
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My quandary isn't the money, or working towards money. It's the shame of having to share this with family. We were already financially tight, and then to fall for this it's really just disappointing. I can feel myself drowning in anything and everything to not think about it
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Sep 3 2025, 02:04 PM)
My quandary isn't the money, or working towards money. It's the shame of having to share this with family. We were already financially tight, and then to fall for this it's really just disappointing. I can feel myself drowning in anything and everything to not think about it
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Ya bro ..I understand,many people will do wrong decision,this is just a small matter,some people can down straight away can when up..be fortunate not very big amounts of money
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All of these via calls, video calls and messaging? I've have to deal with police few times and almost all times face to face deal in the police station, or when it's super urgent the police even drove though thunderstorms at night for an hour to interview one of the suspects for investigation. The times they called are when notifying for us on the status and we have to go to balai for briefing etc.

Don't trust without face to face in balai polis

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lost still lost... got ppl lost up to 100k in stock market & forex.
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lost still lost... got ppl lost up to 100k in stock market & forex.
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I'm far from rich enough to main forex and stock rn haha, but yes it can always be worse. Thanks.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Sep 3 2025, 06:01 PM)
I'm far from rich enough to main forex and stock rn haha, but yes it can always be worse. Thanks.
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most ppl lost in the market also... it's about 90% for both market...

Stock Market: Studies suggest 70−90% of retail traders lose money over time, depending on the region and market conditions.
Factors include emotional trading, lack of diversification, and poor timing.

Forex: Loss rates are often higher, with estimates around 80−95% for retail traders.
The 24/5 market, high leverage (up 1:500 in some jurisdictions), and rapid price swings amplify risks.

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QUOTE(vaksin @ Sep 4 2025, 08:10 AM)
most ppl lost in the market also... it's about 90% for both market...

Stock Market: Studies suggest 70−90% of retail traders lose money over time, depending on the region and market conditions.
Factors include emotional trading, lack of diversification, and poor timing.

Forex: Loss rates are often higher, with estimates around 80−95% for retail traders.
The 24/5 market, high leverage (up 1:500 in some jurisdictions), and rapid price swings amplify risks.
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losing in market when you can afford to is one thing. losing when you can't is what is bugging me. It's not like I go genting gamble, I go buy numbers (though my hubby has asked me if I want to try), or anything risky like that. Fuck.
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QUOTE(benzxzx @ Aug 31 2025, 05:23 PM)
i was once naive and believe our police force is remotely useful, there are times when i got scammed, assaulted, I would lodge a report, request for footages and hope the authorities take actions, but nah, they are bunch of crooks who peddle your data to syndicate just so you could be continually milked for more;

case in point, reported a case being harassed by loan shark due to a family member's alleged debts, the next day receiving a call from random number, claiming that the debt has been taken over by new "ah long agency" and offering discount to settle lump sum.

the unique name identifier, number, debt amounts, were only disclosed to the popo, and funnily it was repeated to me by another third party,
you tell me, how corrupted the system is? we literally have no one else we could trust.

TS, sorry for your loss, and dont even trust police/or any useless authorities could help you retrieve the funds, your money is as good as gone, keep your chin up and move on, the more you push, the more scams you will attract, cuz they know your weakness now, and your data/credentials is going to be sold and resold, another scam will come and haunt you soon
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Just don't answer from unknown number lor. Except the one time KKM staff called me from their handphone number for booster jab for my kid.
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now one of my cc cards are telling me that they have temporarily reversed the card while investigating. meaning i paid for nothing. AHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

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