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 How to earn more & invest the very lil money u had, at least can become M40 lar

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TSheinlein
post Aug 25 2025, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(Hastebreak @ Aug 25 2025, 01:30 AM)
While others were joking around and flirting with women, what I did in my 20s was that I went mad into mastering industrial skillsets off working hours...

What people have it wrong is that they assumed they needed to be paid at work to attend training... what you should do is to go on your own and self-study outside to climb higher...

You need to be a know-how to be truly valuable anywhere... I paid the price of doing grime work at B40 in my younger days, staying under the radar until I was truly a master...

And in this current era, I probably possess one of the most rarest coding skillset that is common, but often under-utilized in the digital marketing, MarTech (Marketing Technology / data science) and frontend development world... This took me into the M40 group..

In the Australian MNC I work in currently, I am more skilled than any of the international peers I work with, and I am more technically-skilled than my own senior here, which she does find me very daunting and that I rendered her useless...  biggrin.gif 

Life

Talking about life, as how things would have it for me, I do not come from a wealthy family and worked full-time while waiting for my high school graduation... But the total experience led me to set everything in proper order and I was more matured and self-aware than my own peers...

Investing

You need to stabilize your income and character first before going into investing...

Service

Once you possess any form of skillset that can truly set apart yourself from the market, you are ready to sell yourself out for a service... I have done this routinely until now...
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Thing is I dunno which skillset is highly sought, now currently learning figma hoping it would change my career path. I dunno if it is too late for me as im clinging at the end of the rope right now. I have triggered base depression, whenever it happens, i cant think straight anymore like i used to be anymore
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post Aug 25 2025, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(hbm90 @ Aug 24 2025, 01:21 PM)
Look into chainlink.
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QUOTE(heinlein @ Aug 24 2025, 02:17 PM)

Thanks for giving unker a direction to look into
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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 25 2025, 07:50 AM)
very irresponsible advice.
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buy at the peak thumbsup.gif

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post Aug 25 2025, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Aug 25 2025, 08:46 AM)
buy at the peak  :thumbsup:

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You think this is the pig?
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post Aug 25 2025, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(heinlein @ Aug 25 2025, 11:10 AM)
Thing is I dunno which skillset is highly sought, now currently learning figma hoping it would change my career path. I dunno if it is too late for me as im clinging at the end of the rope right now. I have triggered base depression, whenever it happens, i cant think straight anymore like i used to be anymore
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Master a field... only then you will get into technical, or even invention level... Bloom's taxanomy...

Without specialisation, you are a master of none...

And please exercise more... You need more physical activity and put that focus constantly on yourself, than on outside thoughts... Train your mind to do so...
TSheinlein
post Aug 25 2025, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Hastebreak @ Aug 25 2025, 11:09 AM)
Master a field... only then you will get into technical, or even invention level... Bloom's taxanomy...

Without specialisation, you are a master of none...

And please exercise more... You need more physical activity and put that focus constantly on yourself, than on outside thoughts... Train your mind to do so...
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Unker will do my best to master a knowledge and get back to more exercise. Your advice is really helpful to unker
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post Aug 25 2025, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(heinlein @ Aug 21 2025, 09:03 AM)
Unker wants to change my current situation so now unker ady quit wasting time watching drama, instead using the time to learn figma thanks to kidmad and masboleh's suggestion. Unker want to ask ktards sekalian how do you earn more or invest when you were still B40? I believe nobody starts at T20 unless you born in rich family.

So far unker only put money in TNG for daily interest only, unker dunno how to grow more money so hope ktard sifus can advise how to manage own financial. I believe this can help other B40 ktards too. Sila advise and bincangkan, tenkiu

Strictly no gambling advice (previously 90% gambling troll in /k so close and open it in serious /k)
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Frankly, if you're B40 there's not much use in investing. You should focus on increasing your income which will leapfrog any earning you can make via savings/investment.

Assuming you have some skill/talent at the moment. You should focus on letting people know your talent. Do good work and get your reputation up.

The best way to do this is to network, join events, meet people, increase opportunity. If you have to do some free work, just do it first. Your name has to get out there and be synonymous with quality and reliability.

From there your income will grow naturally. Then you can easily put money aside for investments.

QUOTE(Hastebreak @ Aug 25 2025, 11:09 AM)
Master a field... only then you will get into technical, or even invention level... Bloom's taxanomy...
Without specialisation, you are a master of none...
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Jack of all trades, and master of none
but often times better, than the master of one

^ That's the full quote.

Unless you're going to be the 0.001% of specialisation, normally the jack of all trades approach gives you better adaptability.
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post Aug 25 2025, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 25 2025, 02:19 PM)
Frankly, if you're B40 there's not much use in investing. You should focus on increasing your income which will leapfrog any earning you can make via savings/investment.

Assuming you have some skill/talent at the moment. You should focus on letting people know your talent. Do good work and get your reputation up.

The best way to do this is to network, join events, meet people, increase opportunity. If you have to do some free work, just do it first. Your name has to get out there and be synonymous with quality and reliability.

From there your income will grow naturally. Then you can easily put money aside for investments.
Jack of all trades, and master of none
but often times better, than the master of one

^ That's the full quote.

Unless you're going to be the 0.001% of specialisation, normally the jack of all trades approach gives you better adaptability.
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That's true, there is so much I can save with my current income but I still save for emergency funds, really not much to invest at the moment. I ady dunno wat to do sometimes, and want to do part time promoter at weekend for extra incomes
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QUOTE(heinlein @ Aug 25 2025, 02:47 PM)
That's true, there is so much I can save with my current income but I still save for emergency funds, really not much to invest at the moment. I ady dunno wat to do sometimes, and want to do part time promoter at weekend for extra incomes
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The emergency fund is important to have, its not an investment. Its a buffer for hard times, which you should try to avoid in the first place.

Please, DO NOT CHASE MONEY. Chase the fulfilment and output of your work, let the money come as a by product of that.

You have to consider the opportunity costs of every action you take. Sure you could work part-time promoter for some extra income. Earn a bit more money, or; you could use that same time and join events and get to know people with money/projects to do.

In 1-5 years, which do you think will give you a better outcome?
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post Aug 25 2025, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 25 2025, 03:44 PM)
The emergency fund is important to have, its not an investment. Its a buffer for hard times, which you should try to avoid in the first place.

Please, DO NOT CHASE MONEY. Chase the fulfilment and output of your work, let the money come as a by product of that.

You have to consider the opportunity costs of every action you take. Sure you could work part-time promoter for some extra income. Earn a bit more money, or; you could use that same time and join events and get to know people with money/projects to do.

In 1-5 years, which do you think will give you a better outcome?
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Did you join any of those event to know more ppl? I wish to know what kind of event I can join for a starter
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QUOTE(heinlein @ Aug 25 2025, 04:13 PM)
Did you join any of those event to know more ppl? I wish to know what kind of event I can join for a starter
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Yes I have, but most of my reputation was built during my college years. Then along the way I knew more people, worked with many more. So I always get opportunities.

The kind of events will differ based on your needs/skills/talents. Go explore these things yourself.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 25 2025, 02:19 PM)
Frankly, if you're B40 there's not much use in investing. You should focus on increasing your income which will leapfrog any earning you can make via savings/investment.

Assuming you have some skill/talent at the moment. You should focus on letting people know your talent. Do good work and get your reputation up.

The best way to do this is to network, join events, meet people, increase opportunity. If you have to do some free work, just do it first. Your name has to get out there and be synonymous with quality and reliability.

From there your income will grow naturally. Then you can easily put money aside for investments.
Jack of all trades, and master of none
but often times better, than the master of one

^ That's the full quote.

Unless you're going to be the 0.001% of specialisation, normally the jack of all trades approach gives you better adaptability.
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Actually the fundamentals is how much you can keep.
If your earnings is capped like mine cannot do anything.
Also can't save yourself out to financial security. Still need to invest.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 27 2025, 01:49 AM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 27 2025, 12:26 AM)
Actually the fundamentals is how much you can keep.
If your earnings is capped like mine cannot do anything.
Also can't save yourself our or financial security. Still need to invest.
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If you're earning 2k/month, realistically how much can you save (if there's any money left after paying everything else) to invest? The time/effort is better used to increase your income.

Once you start earning more and can actually save (no lifestyle inflation), then investment becomes a viable option.

I'm not sure why you think your earning is capped, there's always ways to make/earn more. The only difference is where the diminishing returns start to happen. Going from 2k -> 4k is life changing. Going 10k-12k isn't that much difference. The former is also much easier to achieve.
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post Aug 27 2025, 03:16 AM

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Ts, i suggest u shut off social media and keep quiet for few days.

You are:
1) Overwhelmed. Calm down.
2) Negative thinking about yourself.

In these few days just treat yourself kindly. Make hot tea and sip it slowly in your balcony, garden, open area. Sleep early 10am, wake up early 5am.
No social media
No social media
No social media

Return back to your thoughts on finance once u are calm.

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post Aug 27 2025, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 27 2025, 12:26 AM)
Actually the fundamentals is how much you can keep.
If your earnings is capped like mine cannot do anything.
Also can't save yourself out to financial security. Still need to invest.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 27 2025, 01:13 AM)
If you're earning 2k/month, realistically how much can you save (if there's any money left after paying everything else) to invest? The time/effort is better used to increase your income.

Once you start earning more and can actually save (no lifestyle inflation), then investment becomes a viable option.

I'm not sure why you think your earning is capped, there's always ways to make/earn more. The only difference is where the diminishing returns start to happen. Going from 2k -> 4k is life changing. Going 10k-12k isn't that much difference. The former is also much easier to achieve.
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Both of you are right in some ways, I need to increase my earning capability and save at the same time, that is my thought

QUOTE(Balanced @ Aug 27 2025, 03:16 AM)
Ts, i suggest u shut off social media and keep quiet for few days.

You are:
1) Overwhelmed. Calm down.
2) Negative thinking about yourself.

In these few days just treat yourself kindly. Make hot tea and sip it slowly in your balcony, garden, open area. Sleep early 10am, wake up early 5am.
No social media
No social media
No social media

Return back to your thoughts on finance once u are calm.
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Yea, my brain is overwhelmed recently that I cant reply instantly, I need to take some rest too, my body starting to give alert that is overloading, sometimes feel suffocate, right tapak kaki pain when walking, tooth pain comes and goes
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QUOTE(heinlein @ Aug 27 2025, 08:23 AM)
Both of you are right in some ways, I need to increase my earning capability and save at the same time, that is my thought

Yes. Live within your means, and when you earn more... don't increase your spending. Just keep the same lifestyle as you were with your lower income.

Lets say you are earning 4k now. Maybe you can save RM400 at the end of the month. Good, just keep saving that RM400. Then work harder to increase your earning. Then once you earn 6k/month, your savings per month should have increased to ~RM2,400

With that much margin in saving, your emergency fund would be settled quick. Then you can easily use that RM2k+/month for investment.

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Yea, my brain is overwhelmed recently that I cant reply instantly, I need to take some rest too, my body starting to give alert that is overloading, sometimes feel suffocate, right tapak kaki pain when walking, tooth pain comes and goes
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Working hard is important, but taking care of health is even more important.

You either choose when you rest, or life will choose it for you. If you let life choose for you, the timing will never be at a good time.

Get your pain checked, the location of pain is often not the root cause.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 27 2025, 10:02 AM)
Yes. Live within your means, and when you earn more... don't increase your spending. Just keep the same lifestyle as you were with your lower income.

Lets say you are earning 4k now. Maybe you can save RM400 at the end of the month. Good, just keep saving that RM400. Then work harder to increase your earning. Then once you earn 6k/month, your savings per month should have increased to ~RM2,400

With that much margin in saving, your emergency fund would be settled quick. Then you can easily use that RM2k+/month for investment.
Working hard is important, but taking care of health is even more important.

You either choose when you rest, or life will choose it for you. If you let life choose for you, the timing will never be at a good time.

Get your pain checked, the location of pain is often not the root cause.
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I always plan my expenses, and set a bar when it needs to stop before I overspend, I guess I take a good rest too in this upcoming holiday too. Tired body couple with learning after work really took its toll. Stamina werent great to begin with. Emergency fund is too important, I never know when shit happens, that y I kept them
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Here's a little tip. You need to set a more tangible goal to execute. Learning Figma in your free time while good, is just too general and very hard to gauge your progress to stay motivated.

Give yourself a one week challenge: Redesign the lowyat forum for mobile screen and in dark mode. Think and do UI/UX mockups, no need to be fully functional. At the end, you have an extra piece of work to show off in your portfolio.

The next week you can try implementing it in Figma and so on. Slowly build up your portfolio this way. In the creative field, a strong portfolio can get your further than just software skills.

Good luck, unker.
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Different people have different B40 definition since its based on household.

How much your salary. If 3000++ net then ok already lar
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 25 2025, 05:19 PM)

From there your income will grow naturally. Then you can easily put money aside for investments.
Jack of all trades, and master of none
but often times better, than the master of one

^ That's the full quote.

Unless you're going to be the 0.001% of specialisation, normally the jack of all trades approach gives you better adaptability.
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You need both width and depth... You need width to complement the depth that's needed to go further...

If you're learning to do Figma, you'd end up learning about A/B testing, and also marketing psychology, complementing frontend marketing (UX conversions, writing and big data implementation onto your design) if it's for servicing / eCommerce sites...

There's a little bit of everything involved (data science, colourisation, SEO web developers' guideline, or programming limitation - if any workaround is asked)... But to truly go further, you need specialisation...

You get to apprehend bullshit that's thrown at you in case of workplace manipulation...

This sets you apart from the average job hopper...

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 27 2025, 03:26 AM)
Actually the fundamentals is how much you can keep.
If your earnings is capped like mine cannot do anything.
Also can't save yourself out to financial security. Still need to invest.
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Follow what Ramjade says... Legit guy on investing...

Best of luck, OP...

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QUOTE(heinlein @ Aug 21 2025, 11:52 AM)
All design related skill as graphic designer, illustrator, photoshop and indesign, currently learning figma, also know some artificial intelligence but very limited to hardware (AMD GPU)
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Graphic design do part time can make up to RM20k per month. Start sourcing jobs from SME like annual report etc.
No AI can replace graphic design so far, still got a long way to develop.

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