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post Nov 8 2025, 10:19 AM

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I don't know about the Vivo x300 Pro but on the underexposed comment, I too find this to be relevant with my X90 Pro as most of the images when taken in daylight seem to be slightly darker as if the brightness is turned down few clicks.
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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Nov 8 2025, 10:18 AM)
As for natural colours, I have no comment on that as it's difficult to judge the accuracy of colours. With respect to underexposed images of the Vivo, I presume this is only applicable in daylight? In low light it's the other way round with the Vivo pulling ahead with better clarity and detail. When pixel peeping, as shown in the comparison above in the low light shot, the Oppo's image is smeared with significantly reduced clarity and detail while the Vivo still retains the the detail and sharpness of the image.
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yup... in daylight vivo often under exposed and at night it sometimes over exposed and have light smearing... so its a bit difficult to apply a single exposure compensation for day and night cases

vivo has the better camera hardware but tuning needs more work imho... so if you have time to set up before snapping then vivo is the better choice... for casual snappers, oppo does faces well and will be easiest to use...

testers will test extreme cases to show the good and bad... as users we need to understand our needs and if these cases applies... for example who shoots pictures and videos while jogging? so find the comparison that is relavant...

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 8 2025, 10:54 AM)
yup... in daylight vivo often under exposed and at night it sometimes over exposed and have light smearing... so its a bit difficult to apply a single exposure compensation for day and night cases

vivo has the better camera hardware but tuning needs more work imho... so if you have time to set up before snapping then vivo is the better choice... for casual snappers, oppo does faces well and will be easiest to use...

testers will test extreme cases to show the good and bad... as users we need to understand our needs and if these cases applies... for example who shoots pictures and videos while jogging? so find the comparison that is relavant...
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Thanks for the clarification. I assume the issue with 'underexposed' images with the Vivo which essentially means that the brightness of the image is lower than actual conditions, ie. an overall darker looking photo, this is applicable to all Vivo models X90 Pro, X100 Pro, X200 Pro and this recently launched X300 Pro? All this while I was thinking that the X90 Pro is the only model that takes underexposed images. The X100 Pro, X200 Pro and X300 Pro also suffer from this underexposed issue?

As for light smearing, I presume it's only with the X90 Pro mainly caused by the large 1-inch type sensor. In other words, the bokeh effect is stronger thus causing a soft look with reduced sharpness of lines or edges. I was expecting that the X100 Pro and X200 Pro's smaller sensor may not show this light smearing, I could be wrong as I am just assuming.

Anyway, it's all small issues which I can still accept with the X90 Pro as the overall image quality is still high despite these niggles. However, for the future replacement phone I would surely want an improved camera performance that resolves all the shortcomings of the X90 Pro, perhaps X100 Pro and X200 Pro too. I have high hopes on the X300 Pro or Ultra but apparently the issue with underexposed images may still be prevalent with the new model. Still, the overall image quality of the early samples of the X300 Pro does look promising, I presume much better than the X90 Pro that I currently use right now.

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post Nov 8 2025, 01:51 PM

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talking about underexposed , if u compared to iphone , iphone lagi underexposed sweat.gif , i have to set +0.7 exposure by default on my ip16pm biggrin.gif

By the way if u found your vivo underexposed , can always increase the brightness on the "Effect adjustment" , it will stay there and u dont need to re-adjust each time u want to shot.

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one of the comparisons i've been waiting for... don't miss the night shots at the end...



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post Nov 8 2025, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 8 2025, 10:30 PM)
one of the comparisons i've been waiting for... don't miss the night shots at the end...


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Haha i just shared on oppo thread , the 7500 battery is crazy , they just cant finish up the battery whole day , with 15% left which is so crazy.
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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Nov 8 2025, 11:09 AM)
Thanks for the clarification. I assume the issue with 'underexposed' images with the Vivo which essentially means that the brightness of the image is lower than actual conditions, ie. an overall darker looking photo, this is applicable to all Vivo models X90 Pro, X100 Pro, X200 Pro and this recently launched X300 Pro? All this while I was thinking that the X90 Pro is the only model that takes underexposed images. The X100 Pro, X200 Pro and X300 Pro also suffer from this underexposed issue?

As for light smearing, I presume it's only with the X90 Pro mainly caused by the large 1-inch type sensor. In other words, the bokeh effect is stronger thus causing a soft look with reduced sharpness of lines or edges. I was expecting that the X100 Pro and X200 Pro's smaller sensor may not show this light smearing, I could be wrong as I am just assuming.

Anyway, it's all small issues which I can still accept with the X90 Pro as the overall image quality is still high despite these niggles. However, for the future replacement phone I would surely want an improved camera  performance that resolves all the shortcomings of the X90 Pro, perhaps X100 Pro and X200 Pro too. I have high hopes on the X300 Pro or Ultra but apparently the issue with underexposed images may still be prevalent with the new model. Still, the overall image quality of the early samples of the X300 Pro does look promising, I presume much better than the X90 Pro that I currently use right now.
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yes and no... one must look at the whole image and especially the highlights... not just brighter or darker image... vivo is more inconsistent imho... as for x90 x100 x200 pros i've not look at them in details so cant comment on them

the smearing comes from the higher dynamic range sensor imho... in daytime there are more details in the shadows but at night it pushes the darker scenes unnaturally brighter

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Nov 8 2025, 10:32 PM)
Haha i just shared on oppo thread , the 7500 battery is crazy , they just cant finish up the battery whole day , with 15% left which is so crazy.
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lol... des why this oppo is good when holiday touring dawn till dusk... was hoping magic 8 pro is just as good but the cameras still not competitive...

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 8 2025, 10:51 PM)
lol... des why this oppo is good when holiday touring dawn till dusk... was hoping magic 8 pro is just as good but the cameras still not competitive...
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honor is well know as AI feature and might be more stable OS , their camera system is improve but stil can't compete with oppo & vivo.
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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Nov 7 2025, 04:00 PM)
Right, I have some time now so have included some comparisons taken from the YouTube video above. I have picked few photos which look noticeably different, no videos obviously.

In this photo below, the text on the garbage bin between the Oppo and Vivo look quite different as if they are not the same. Weird! On the Oppo it looks like there is a rectangular box around  the text. Can someone explain why the text looks so different between the two? 
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The blurry photo on the oppo, looks like the AI trying to recover the details but failed miserably, due to not image enough data.
It looks like early model of waifu2x. living dino should know what am i talking about lol

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 9 2025, 05:39 PM)
The blurry photo on the oppo, looks like the AI trying to recover the details but failed miserably, due to not image enough data.
It looks like early model of waifu2x. living dino should know what am i talking about lol
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Thanks for this. I should have guessed so earlier. In other words it's digital 'post-processing' that's badly implemented. Not too sure if I understand the comment on 'early model of waifu2x' though if it is referring to the looks of the Oppo, I do feel the camera module made the phone looks cheap and ugly in comparison to the Vivo with the symmetrical round piece housing the cameras at the back. I have always preferred phones which have a symmetrical layout of the cameras and not those which have lopsided ones with a slight protrusion from the body of the phone, indicating a small sensor. I don't mind phones which come with a reasonably thicker protrusion to house larger sensors of the cameras.

I hope the Vivo X300 Ultra will have an upgraded camera performance from the X300 Pro with its larger and higher grade Sony sensor.

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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Nov 10 2025, 07:18 AM)
Thanks for this. I should have guessed so earlier. In other words it's digital 'post-processing' that's badly implemented. Not too sure if I understand the comment on 'early model of waifu2x' though if it is referring to the looks of the Oppo, I do feel the camera module made the phone looks cheap and ugly in comparison to the Vivo with the symmetrical round piece housing the cameras at the back. I have always preferred phones which have a symmetrical layout of the cameras and not those which have lopsided ones with a slight protrusion from the body of the phone, indicating a small sensor. I don't mind phones which come with a reasonably thicker protrusion to house larger sensors of the cameras.

I hope the Vivo X300 Ultra will have an upgraded camera performance from the X300 Pro.
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before the inception of Ai, we used CNN upscaler with Nvidia accelerator
It's called waifu2x, some professional photo editor also offer this feature
Now you can upscale within your phone using the Ai engine

But it will only work if the photo has enough details to be upscaled,
The blurry photo captured and upscaled by oppo is due to Ai failed to guess the details, thus the image look kind of bizarre
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 10 2025, 07:35 AM)
before the inception of Ai, we used CNN upscaler with Nvidia accelerator
It's called waifu2x, some professional photo editor also offer this feature
Now you can upscale within your phone using the Ai engine

But it will only work if the photo has enough details to be upscaled,
The blurry photo captured and upscaled by oppo is due to Ai failed to guess the details, thus the image look kind of bizarre
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i think is user error that blurry photo...

i have not seen such bad x9p sample... best to look at more comparison and example

v is using the better sensors that is for sure...

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 10 2025, 09:27 AM)
i think is user error that blurry photo...

i have not seen such bad x9p sample... best to look at more comparison and example

v is using the better sensors that is for sure...
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If you look at the last photo that zoomed in, the Shrewsbury logo looked the same blurry as first photo of rubbish chute
Unless someone feedback to oppo and oppo provided an update.
Zoomed photo will look like blurry mess until fixes has been applied
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Yes, if pixel peeping a lot of details and lines missing on Oppo, and some details are 'altered' as highlighted earlier. If one look closely at the 2 photos which are basically the same image, they look a bit different in the shape of the lines and not lines missing or colours different etc.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 10 2025, 12:03 PM)
If you look at the last photo that zoomed in, the Shrewsbury logo looked the same blurry as first photo of rubbish chute
Unless someone feedback to oppo and oppo provided an update.
Zoomed photo will look like blurry mess until fixes has been applied
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yes the night logo is oppo ai shit... but the day trash bin is really beyond bad... ive seen a lot of 120x photos that is ok...
des why i think that photo maybe got some other problems going on...

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i think u cant go wrong with both oppo or vivo , depend u like zeiss natural look or oppo hasselblad effect , pick between two also wont regret in my opinion.

vivo have the edge of camera system while oppo have bigger 7500mAh battery , after looking several reviewer , vivo video stil nail it. I think video on vivo is kind of "iphone" version of android.

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Nov 10 2025, 01:20 PM)
i think u cant go wrong with both oppo or vivo , depend u like zeiss natural look or oppo hasselblad effect , pick between two also wont regret in my opinion.
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i pick x9p this round as best overall...

if not for 200mp zoom... our x200s still hard to beat imho... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 10 2025, 01:28 PM)
i pick x9p this round as best overall...

if not for 200mp zoom... our x200s still hard to beat imho...  biggrin.gif
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