Gen Z problem?
Gen Z problem?
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Jun 6 2025, 02:00 PM
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I notice youngsters these days veri hard wake up early. Like to sleep late and sleep in, so don’t mind working until sundown. Not only during workdays, sometimes vacation also like to wake up late2 until afternoon. Wasted half day already. Maybe they don’t like to spend time indoors? If wake up late means going home late, after work can go yumcha lepak till 12, then balik straight tido and wake up straight go to work, must means they don’t usually do anything at home right? |
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Jun 6 2025, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Jun 6 2025, 09:51 AM) Just morning rant. boomer mentality.My company usually take in interns from various university for various post. All of them are pursuing degree from local University. Now I have 4 engineering interns, 2 man and 2 women. I noticed that they have this kind of attitude, do as they wish. They came in as they wish, and clock out as they wish too. My company have this policy where u can clock in between 8-9am, and then u just clock out accordingly after 9 hours (8 hours working + 1 hour rest). From my point of view, we gave leeway already on being flexible on your working time. However these interns came in almost 10, at least once a week. So my HR did an investigation and call those that have this problem. Their reason for being late? Simply overslept. Cant brain someone who went to university to overslept. I mean, they usually have class at 8am or 9am, they did their study for 4 years, and by this time they are not accustomed to waking up early? Don't they have to wake up early to pray also? I am not a muslim, yet I woke up when there is Azan because that is the way we are raised. Azan mean its beginning of the day. And this is not special case. Last year I had few interns with the same attitude, and some of my engineers also have this problem, especially fresh grad. Never in my life I was late to work due to overslept, even in my youth days where I partied until 3am, reached home and slept, and still manage to clock in at 8.30am. I guess kids nowadays dont have that sense of responsibility and integrity. Sekian rant untuk hari ini. 8-9am is actually not a good time as traffic usually heaviest if plan to arrive by those hours. this is my argument: i'm gonna giv 8 hours of work a day to company anyway. working 8 hours a day +1 hour commute beats working 8 hours a day +3 hours of commute. this is just example of how much u lost your life in unproductive traffic jam. |
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Jun 6 2025, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Jun 6 2025, 01:33 PM) 1. there is no such thing as forced. students can always look for course without internship. 1. you don't know alot of courses in msia is forced meh ? You are going to argue next, that if don't like, go study overseas lor. The you are going to argue, if cannot study overseas, don;t study lor 2. kinda true to certain level. but that doesnt mean the students need to act like a bad employee. 3. there is no real obligation to absorb intern after graduation, especially the internship is on the second last semester. double tax relief is not worthy to keep the intern for the pain. 2. bad working condition = bad attitude 3. no shit, hence (2) This post has been edited by Redhunt: Jun 6 2025, 02:05 PM |
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Jun 6 2025, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 6 2025, 12:19 PM) fixed 9hrs in office and you call that flexible? that's rigid. please update your definition of flexible. My employers can come in from 7-9, and check out 4-6. That is flexible enough. We are specialist consultant firm, cant expect people to come in 11am. We usually have meeting with clients as early as 9am. Most companies, in or out malaysia practice the same thing. again, it depends on the type of work. Like u said yourself, depends on type of work. In my line of work where we are office based, this is flexible enough. Your company allow u to work 3 hours for 8 hours pay? or u get paid by hour? yhtan liked this post
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Jun 6 2025, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Jun 6 2025, 02:24 PM) My employers can come in from 7-9, and check out 4-6. That is flexible enough. We are specialist consultant firm, cant expect people to come in 11am. We usually have meeting with clients as early as 9am. Most companies, in or out malaysia practice the same thing. we work around the clock. work life integration. working with Intel AMD requires one to sync up with people in different time zones. sometimes late night like 12am. sometimes early morning like 6am. so you can split you work time at home.Like u said yourself, depends on type of work. In my line of work where we are office based, this is flexible enough. Your company allow u to work 3 hours for 8 hours pay? or u get paid by hour? This post has been edited by ipohps3: Jun 6 2025, 02:28 PM |
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Jun 6 2025, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 6 2025, 02:27 PM) we work around the clock. work life integration. working with Intel AMD requires one to sync up with people in different time zone. sometimes late night like 12am. sometimes early morning like 6am. so you can split you work time at home. u see, u work in IT dept. My friend working at Intel also same. We are working with local companies, so we have to adhere to local time. So our situation same or not? |
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Jun 6 2025, 02:30 PM
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Jun 6 2025, 02:39 PM
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Jun 6 2025, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Jun 6 2025, 09:51 AM) Just morning rant. Not just kids nowadays. I mean when I was in uni, there are times that a lot of us skipped the morning session lecture. I'm pretty sure some of my gang are actually doing that, there is usually a guy or 2 who are more hardworking and he actually help us to sign the attendanceMy company usually take in interns from various university for various post. All of them are pursuing degree from local University. Now I have 4 engineering interns, 2 man and 2 women. I noticed that they have this kind of attitude, do as they wish. They came in as they wish, and clock out as they wish too. My company have this policy where u can clock in between 8-9am, and then u just clock out accordingly after 9 hours (8 hours working + 1 hour rest). From my point of view, we gave leeway already on being flexible on your working time. However these interns came in almost 10, at least once a week. So my HR did an investigation and call those that have this problem. Their reason for being late? Simply overslept. Cant brain someone who went to university to overslept. I mean, they usually have class at 8am or 9am, they did their study for 4 years, and by this time they are not accustomed to waking up early? Don't they have to wake up early to pray also? I am not a muslim, yet I woke up when there is Azan because that is the way we are raised. Azan mean its beginning of the day. And this is not special case. Last year I had few interns with the same attitude, and some of my engineers also have this problem, especially fresh grad. Never in my life I was late to work due to overslept, even in my youth days where I partied until 3am, reached home and slept, and still manage to clock in at 8.30am. I guess kids nowadays dont have that sense of responsibility and integrity. Sekian rant untuk hari ini. |
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Jun 6 2025, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 6 2025, 02:55 PM) Not just kids nowadays. I mean when I was in uni, there are times that a lot of us skipped the morning session lecture. I'm pretty sure some of my gang are actually doing that, there is usually a guy or 2 who are more hardworking and he actually help us to sign the attendance Me too. im not the brightest student in my class, and I always skip morning class. Most of my gang did the same thing. But when it come to work life, none of us ever been late because of overslept. And yet we still party until 3am, lepak at Asia cafe until 3am shisha, drinking, watching footies. Because we know if we fcked this up, we will be fcked for life. |
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Jun 6 2025, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Jun 6 2025, 03:07 PM) Me too. im not the brightest student in my class, and I always skip morning class. Most of my gang did the same thing. But when it come to work life, none of us ever been late because of overslept. And yet we still party until 3am, lepak at Asia cafe until 3am shisha, drinking, watching footies. Because we know if we fcked this up, we will be fcked for life. Yea. Same, my early working life was sometimes party till late night (usually Friday onwards), but most weekdays we still play online games until 3-4am. I think the key different is we know that we have the responsibility so we make it a point to wake up early and go to work. *lightbringer* liked this post
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Jun 6 2025, 03:16 PM
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ini uncle yang rant mesti Gen X. sure this uncle born on 70th - 80th. i'm not gen Z btw but FYI, in local university we can arrange/choose our own class schedule. Me back then, i like to choose afternoon or evening class. haha
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Jun 6 2025, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(capatiroticanai @ Jun 6 2025, 03:16 PM) ini uncle yang rant mesti Gen X. sure this uncle born on 70th - 80th. i'm not gen Z btw but FYI, in local university we can arrange/choose our own class schedule. Me back then, i like to choose afternoon or evening class. haha First of all, its 70s - 80s. Not 70th - 80th. Learn what is ordinal number. 2nd of all, I was in local U too. We are not allowed to arrange our class. If the core subject is in morning, morning it is. U just register your subject, the schedule is up to the lecturer. |
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Jun 6 2025, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(Redhunt @ Jun 6 2025, 02:05 PM) 1. you don't know alot of courses in msia is forced meh ? You are going to argue next, that if don't like, go study overseas lor. The you are going to argue, if cannot study overseas, don;t study lor Actually, the best argument is, internship is good if it is run correctly.2. bad working condition = bad attitude 3. no shit, hence (2) It gives the undergraduates a sense of what to expect in the future. |
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Jun 6 2025, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Jun 6 2025, 03:33 PM) Actually, the best argument is, internship is good if it is run correctly. Yes. Unfortunately many company take interns as free labor. But not my company. We pay them min wages, RM1700. And they dont do admin job. They get first hand experience on engineering work. Their supervisor will bring them to meeting, to discussion, etc. It gives the undergraduates a sense of what to expect in the future. anakkk liked this post
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Jun 6 2025, 09:53 PM
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will you meet up with their lecturer? If yes, I believe you can put this in their report :X
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Jun 6 2025, 10:30 PM
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Those that have pattern, I send them to the morgue aka data center ... bertapa lah sana till the end.
Its not gen z problem, its the new gen problem. |
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Jun 6 2025, 11:05 PM
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put in the comment when the lect ask for feedback, confirm they will say not surprise also, or if still in the early training, inform the uni, usually later they will "threaten" them saying they will fail, but ipta la, if ipts, maybe will brush off since most is money talks there
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Jun 6 2025, 11:08 PM
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Sorry boss, morning go in site, settle some stuff, meet with PIC, ding dong here and there already near to 11 am when enter office.
Owaiii... |
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Jun 6 2025, 11:14 PM
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my intern faked an excuse for EL, so call meetup with lecturer to evaluate internship.
HR called the lecturer whether you're meeting the intern, lecturer said mana ada intern get terminated by HR the following day kek. kids now treat work like school hahaha. |
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